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  1. As the guy who thinks that defense at second base is far easier to find than MLB teams may think, I’m quite excited to see this play out.

    Comment by Dave Cameron — February 10, 2009 @ 10:30 am

  2. Only because it doesn’t involve the Royals.

    Comment by R.J. Anderson — February 10, 2009 @ 10:54 am

  3. If the conversion doesn’t work, their are still a glut of FA secondbasemen (Durham, Grudzalaniek, Hudson). I think there is a good chance at least one of those guys is still hanging around if Schumaker can’t cut it and they don’t want to live with the other guys.

    I wonder if the Cards have given any thought to trying Joe Mather at 2nd? He’s hardly prototypical at 6-4, 200+ lbs, but he was drafted out of HS as a SS and stayed at SS for most of his minor league career. Of course, he didn’t start hitting until he was moved to the OF, which makes you wonder whether a re-conversion to the infield would be a smart move.

    Comment by mymrbig — February 10, 2009 @ 11:07 am

  4. Didn’t Kelly Johnson make the OF -> 2B shift for the Braves? Or were you talking about somebody with a longer track record? According to Baseball Reference, Johnson didn’t play a game at second until moving there in 2007.

    Comment by Eric Blair — February 10, 2009 @ 11:47 am

  5. doh, wrong page. Johnson BR page.

    Comment by Eric Blair — February 10, 2009 @ 11:48 am

  6. Johnson was primarily a shortstop in his minor league career. I was hoping for someone who came from the outfield to the middle infield without pro experience.

    Comment by R.J. Anderson — February 10, 2009 @ 11:49 am

  7. The best part of this potential position switch is the huge offensive upgrade that will take place. You would end up replacing Aaron Miles and Adam Kennedy with Colby Rasmus. I like that idea quite a lot

    Comment by Jason C. — February 10, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

  8. Mather was mainly an OF in his minor league career with some 1B thrown in. He’s got 25 games of non-1B infield experience above short season ball, and that goes back to 2004.

    I’m wondering if there’s a halo or Nichols effect for evaluations of Schumaker’s defense. Watching him every day, his first step/instincts looked well below average to me. He’s built like a middle infielder, but that’s a compliment in the same way ‘throws as hard as Glavine’ is a compliment for a LHP.

    Comment by greenback06 — February 10, 2009 @ 12:28 pm

  9. The way the fan graphs model of WAR works, all players are the same defensively no matter where you put them on the field because the position adjustment is just based on the average difference in performance of players who play multiple positions relative to the average at those positions. According to the model, if Pujols is a +10 defensive 1B, he’ll be a +5 corner OF or a -2.5 2B/3B/CF. That’s how the model commensurates the value of various positions.

    Schumaker’s value according to WAR doesn’t change when you move him to 2B.

    Comment by philosofool — February 10, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

  10. Also probably a defensive upgrade–Rasmus is noted for playing good CF.

    Comment by philosofool — February 10, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

  11. I (incorrectly) had him moving from the corner outfield to second.

    Comment by R.J. Anderson — February 10, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

  12. My bad. I looked at this before and mistakenly thought he played SS through (or at least into) 2004/2005. I was wrong and you were right:-)

    Comment by mymrbig — February 10, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

  13. I looked at this a couple of days ago, right before the Cards dumped Kennedy, and used Chone’s projections as my guide. The assumption with which I worked was that Schumaker, having not played the middle infield since 1999, would be about as bad as the worst defensive 2B last year — Jeff Kent. I, further, assumed that Kennedy wouldn’t be as good defensively as he was last year, but would rather be as good as he’s been throughout his career — a UZR/150 of 9.9 rather than 22.2. I used their UZR/150 and projected their wRAA to 600 PAs in order to be consistent w/ using UZR/150. I determined that Schumaker would have to play roughly league average defense in order to be as good as Kennedy.

    The primary difference between your assumptions and mine seems to be that you assume that Skip will perform as well in ’09 offensively as he did in ’08 — a big step up from Chone’s projections (or maybe using Chone’s projections is a big step down from his performance last year). Perhaps the real question, therefore, is how well will Skip have to hit in order to compensate for what would, in all likelihood, be dreadful defense at the keystone in ’09.

    Comment by chuckb — February 10, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

  14. He was a shortstop in the minors though.

    Comment by vivaelpujols — February 10, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

  15. I don’t think that Tony will let him play if his defense is truly dreadful. He has always valued good defense up the middle and he has always put together excellent defensive teams. If Schu is really that bad than he won’t be playing a lot of second.

    A decent comparable to Skip is probably Kelly Johnson, who was an above average left fielder when he first came up. He played SS in the minors, but he wasn’t considered a very good defender. He played left field for his first year, then he moved to second and has been bad, but not quite Jeff Kent bad. His UZR/150s have been around 8. If Shcumaker is able to manage that, then he could potentially be a 2 WAR player if he outperforms his offensive projections a little bit and gets enough playing time.

    Obviously it isn’t a great situation, but Schumaker likely won’t have a negative affect on the club, and his upside is decent.

    Comment by vivaelpujols — February 10, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

  16. sorry -8 UZR/150s for Johnson.

    Comment by vivaelpujols — February 10, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

  17. I don’t agree that Kelly Johnson is a good comp. Sure, he was -8 last year, but he had played 1 year of 2B prior to that and had 221 minor league games of infield experience as well. He may be the closest comp but there’s little doubt that Kelly Johnson had vastly more infield experience than Skip will have had when he takes the field in a couple of weeks. If anything, we can use Johnson as a best case scenario for Skip and, truthfully, if he ends up around -8 defensively, Cards’ fans ought to be fairly content.

    Comment by chuckb — February 10, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

  18. So how does the experiment seem to be working?

    Comment by Lex Logan — August 20, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

  19. While his stats may lie to you, the experiment is actually going very well. He’s shown so much potential and it keeps getting better every day. Although he’s probably a below average defender at second, he makes all the routine plays and a lot of plays that shock you to see that he makes. All while doing this, he’s kept a .300 avg. Very very impressive. Such a great guy.

    Comment by gnigx — September 6, 2009 @ 12:58 am

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