Mistake in 3rd paragraph. The Mariners were beaten by the Yankees in the ALCS that season, making it a second round exit, not a first round exit.
Comment by misterjonez — August 23, 2010 @ 10:40 am
Check out the Devil Rays’ record immediately before and after Lou managed them. Maybe his tenure there wasn’t as bad as it first appears.
Comment by Detroit Michael — August 23, 2010 @ 12:42 pm
Piniella also was at the helm for the Mariners 116 win season in 2001, a remarkable feat despite the first round exit that season.
The Mariners beat the Indians in the ALDS that year in five games, before bowing out to the Yankees in five games in the ALCS. It would’ve truly been catastrophic if a 116 win baseball team was eliminated in the first round of the playoffs.
I like Lou as a person (or at least I like his persona), and as a baseball guy … but, as a manger I cannot think of very many people that sound as unintelligent as Lou. The continual long pauses when talking, short phrases, chuckling, and lack of anything that really resembles strategy or insight. Charlie manual would be one.
If someone were to convince me that a manager does not really do anything meaningful, and that winning doesn’t have a whole lot to do with good managing, then Lou Pinella would be THE example for me.
His teams had very little discipline. His lineup construction was questionable. He’s made some questionable managing moves that have turned out terrible. He’s more famous for his tantrums and fights with Rob Dibble than he is for any actual managing.
Note: Hopefully, I am among grown ups, and I can comment on my opinion of Lou’s managerial qualities, while still acknowledging he’s probably a nice guy, and that he is dealing with a dire family situation.
I will say, the 1990 Reds went on a playoff rampage similar to Boston’s 8 straight in 2004. The nasty Boys were absolutely brilliant, in a douchebag, we’re so good you can’t do anything about it, kind of way …. which is kinda awesome.
Comment by CircleChange11 — August 23, 2010 @ 2:17 pm
Winning percentages among most HoF managers isn’t that great. Not to mention most people seem to forget that the A-Rod/Griffey/Johnson trio only lasted one year.
Comment by Naliamegod — August 23, 2010 @ 10:35 pm
He was good enough to keep a job, or keep getting them. Alot of ex-players have coached, but, few have managed to get to a third, or fourth coaching job. Longevity, does have some place in his HOF chances.. much like it will for players who manage to put together long careers. They are good enough to keep getting chances.
Some guys are brought in as manager because of their tactical baseball knowledge (Joe Maddon for example) and others are brought in for their ability to manage a clubhouse and the personalities involved (Charlie Manuel, Lou Pinella). Manuel has done an excellent job of the latter in his time in Philly.