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  1. Link doesn’t work.

    Comment by bill — September 2, 2010 @ 10:48 am

  2. aaannnnd now it does… strange times

    Comment by bill — September 2, 2010 @ 10:48 am

  3. Suppan looks like a pitcher to me. He has great heart and a strong desire. He has a winning attitude. He is awesome in the club house and really gets the other guys going. Suppan is a team leader and can log a lot of innings. He knows this ball club and can pitch in the NL. Why wouldn’t you want Suppan on your team?

    Comment by Piccamo — September 2, 2010 @ 10:50 am

  4. Your eyesight is good. He certainly has none of the external characteristics of, for example, a shortstop. When he’s in the game, he’s generally on the mound and throwing the baseball towards the plate. He certainly does look like a pitcher.

    Comment by Anon21 — September 2, 2010 @ 10:52 am

  5. Actually, Poetic Justice would be for Suppan to get Parkinson’s, and a whole slew of celebrities made commercials denouncing him for wanting a cure.

    Suppan does not have heart, winning desire, nor a good attitude. He is a fetid stew of hate, as a person.

    That is why one wouldn’t want Suppan as a teammate.

    Comment by johng — September 2, 2010 @ 10:52 am

  6. I don’t discount him as a person but i don’t want him anywhere near our clubhouse i was destroyed when i heard we picked him up…again. it didn’t work the first time and that’s why we let him go.

    Comment by Matty — September 2, 2010 @ 11:07 am

  7. Tony?

    Comment by Pitchers Hit Eighth — September 2, 2010 @ 11:09 am

  8. Poetic justice would be for scientists to find that dead, B-List actors could potentially be used to cure cancer. I had forgotten why I like Sup as a person. He’s got balls to stand up for something he believes in even at the risk of being demonized by the press.

    Comment by Bill — September 2, 2010 @ 11:11 am

  9. haha @Pitchers Hit Eigth i’m lovin the name

    Comment by Matty — September 2, 2010 @ 11:15 am

  10. “The fact that Jeff Suppan has already received nine starts is a big reason why the Cardinals are now eight games back.”

    I am not sure I understand this. Given the run support in the games started by Suppan, they’d have hardly done better with a Cy Young candidate on the mound.

    Comment by vj — September 2, 2010 @ 11:20 am

  11. I agree. As I read through this, that sentence jumped out at me. It does not flow logically from the rest of the post.

    Comment by 51 — September 2, 2010 @ 11:24 am

  12. vj has it right; the author is missing the boat: The biggest reason that the Cards are eight games back is because they can’t score runs on a consistent basis. They have 4 or 5 automatic outs in the lineup on a nightly basis.

    Without running the numbers, I suspect most teams, including those on the peripheries of the pennant race have given 9 or more starts to pitchers as bad as Suppan.

    Comment by southsidecardsfan — September 2, 2010 @ 11:26 am

  13. But that something which he believes is catastrophically stupid: that individual cells or small clusters of cells with no will, volition, or consciousness have equal moral worth to actual human beings.

    Hey, you know who stood up for what he believed in, even at the risk of being demonized by the press? James Lee, that crazy dude who took all those hostages at the Discovery Channel yesterday! Put HIM in, coach.

    Comment by Anon21 — September 2, 2010 @ 11:36 am

  14. Spoken like a true Brewer fan. Go away, Suppan. MLB will be better without you.

    Comment by rickie weeks — September 2, 2010 @ 11:41 am

  15. yea how about the yankees giving starts to– wait for it– BURNETT AND VASQUEZ. yes the best record in the mlb and two of the shittiest guys on the mound… no not career-wise or even potential-wise the worst but turning in terrible performances for the year. i mean ERAs over 5 and losing records with a team that can score that many runs is just terrible. Burnett is now 10-12 on the season and if he continues in this way, he will be the first yankees starter with a losing record in 10 years… yes that bad.

    in conclusion: suppan is assuredly bad, but you can’t ask even halladay or josh johnson or jimenez or screw it even cy young himself to win when your team gives you 0 runs in 3 of your 9 starts and 1 run in another 3 of them.

    Comment by phoenix — September 2, 2010 @ 11:44 am

  16. Also, another thing about Suppan this year is that he isn’t going very far into games so he isn’t likely to receive a lot of support when only pitching 4-5 innings, and that further decreases his value because you need to empty your pen every day he pitches.

    I did get the pleasure (not really) to watch him pitch vs the Pirates, and he was actually on his game, racking up a lot of strikeouts, which everyone does vs the Pirates, but they pulled him after 5 innings and around less than 80 pitches. I don’t know if he has stamina problems or their “genius” manager just doesn’t like to keep him in games any longer.

    Comment by Pat — September 2, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

  17. “He has great heart and a strong desire. He has a winning attitude. He is awesome in the club house and really gets the other guys going. Suppan is a team leader.”

    Is LaRussa drinking and posting again?

    He may have desire, guts, presence, etc etc. What he does NOT have is a major-league caliber arm or repetoire. No amount of ‘winning attitude’ can cover the fact that the guy just plain ol’ stinks. :-/

    Comment by Jason B — September 2, 2010 @ 12:15 pm

  18. “The biggest reason that the Cards are eight games back is because they can’t score runs on a consistent basis. They have 4 or 5 automatic outs in the lineup on a nightly basis.”

    So very true. Which makes (a) trading Ludwick for Westbrook inexplicable; (b) sitting Rasmus for two weeks for no apparent reason inexplicable; (c) trading for Pedro Feliz inexplicable.

    Welcome to Tony’s summer of…inexplicableness? Inexplicality?

    Let’s go with…summer of nonsense.

    Comment by Jason B — September 2, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

  19. Well, to be fair, Jon Jay and Ryan Ludwick have performed about the same after the trade, Rasmus was reportedly hurt, and Pedro Feliz is not markedly worse offensively than the Cards’ other internal options (save maybe Tyler Greene, who was also injured at the time of the pick-up).

    Comment by southsidecardsfan — September 2, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

  20. I do find it funny that there are people who will cheer for a celebrity with the credibility and likability of a child molester, just because they make liberals mad.

    When the guy’s getting a cortisone shot, I wonder if he ponders how God wanted him to have a blown out shoulder, or if he ignores his political stances? Does he ever wonder if God wants him to STFU and quit baseball?

    Comment by johng — September 2, 2010 @ 12:58 pm

  21. What a bitter, negative post.

    Comment by WY — September 2, 2010 @ 12:59 pm

  22. Well put, VJ. If someone else had given up the exact same amount of runs with a better FIP or whatever to support it, they still would have lost the games due to their putrid offense. The Cardinals are eight games back because of their poor hitting and because the Reds keep winning.

    Comment by WY — September 2, 2010 @ 1:02 pm

  23. Jason B: Rasmus was dealing with a calf injury for two weeks. I think it would have been good to look into that before saying he was sat down “for two weeks for no apparent reason.” The reason was reported on and updated regularly for two weeks.

    Comment by WY — September 2, 2010 @ 1:03 pm

  24. Damn, you figured me out.

    Comment by Jack Moore — September 2, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

  25. I made a post similar to this, but it’s lost. Shrugs*

    The comments in the article refute each other. The cardinals are losing because of Suppan. Suppan is losing because the offense doesn’t score any runs. Hmm … interesting.

    If an author wants to rant, they should rant. I like a good rant.

    If an author wants to piss and moan and be negative prick, I’m fine with that. It’s not my preference, but I’m a big fan of freedom. Knock yourself out.

    Just don’t call it analysis when two adjacent comments/conclusions counter each other.

    If you wanna say Jeff Suppan sucks, then just say Jeff Suppan sucks. Just don’t blame him for why the Cards are losing. A lot of guys are struggling at the same time.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — September 2, 2010 @ 1:52 pm

  26. “reportedly” hurt, indeed. If he *really* is hurt, DL him and free up a roster spot.

    That Feliz hasn’t improved on any of the other options doesn’t make the trade defensible. Why not trade for someone that can…you know…help? If you’ve got putrid options A-C, why add putrid option “D” to the mix?

    Comment by Jason B — September 2, 2010 @ 2:26 pm

  27. Fuck you, faggit.

    Comment by Jaybow — September 2, 2010 @ 3:53 pm

  28. ““reportedly” hurt, indeed. If he *really* is hurt, DL him and free up a roster spot.”

    No, he was really hurt. Go read the Post-Dispatch archives from the last two weeks. Clearly, it was a situation where the injury lingered a lot longer than they initially expected it to. With hindsight, it would have been nice to have DL’d him right away, but they didn’t have that knowledge at the time. Also, there weren’t exactly a lot of sterling candidates waiting to be called up.

    Comment by WY — September 2, 2010 @ 5:46 pm

  29. So Bill likes Suppan for actively and willingly attempting to harm society. Bill, you are a terrible person.

    Comment by Doug Melvin — September 2, 2010 @ 5:53 pm

  30. Was there any point in it you disagreed with? Was the evidence wrong?

    Comment by Doug Melvin — September 2, 2010 @ 5:55 pm

  31. because Suppan really really sucks. bad.

    Comment by CFIC — September 2, 2010 @ 8:35 pm

  32. I’m not sure if he even has a minor league caliber arm

    Comment by CFIC — September 2, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

  33. Jeff Suppan is a horrible pitcher at this point of his career. 4 years ago or so when he was younger, he was mediocre. now he is just plain awful, perhaps the worst starter in baseball (or tied for worst?)

    Comment by CFIC — September 2, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

  34. Yes. See some of the comments above. It includes some illogical arguments that others have also pointed out. But beyond that, the tone strikes me as unnecessarily bitter and negative, which is sort of a common thread with this writer. Not the most becoming trait for a writer to have.

    Comment by WY — September 2, 2010 @ 11:03 pm

  35. “The fact that Jeff Suppan has already received nine starts is a big reason why the Cardinals are now eight games back.”

    I have no idea why people have had a problem with this. If a team has to start Jeff Suppan, their rotation sucks, and having a sucky rotation is big reason they are eight games back. Need more than just 1-2-3.

    So, do you have anything original to add to this thread, or are you content to regurgitate? Would you like we fawn over Suppan’s horrendeously dangerous and idiotic stem cell hatred?

    Jeff Suppan is an awful pitcher and an even worse human being, and I hope he just goes and fucks himself. Ditto anyone who has attempted to derail some of the most important science in the history of mankind.

    Comment by Doug Melvin — September 3, 2010 @ 12:00 am

  36. Re: Suppan’s views on SCR … If someone at our work was against it would we tell them they were a worthless human being or to go F himself?

    It’s a case of an athlete’s performance affecting our response. Kurt Warner says the same thing and he’s a future Hall of Famer that “sticks up for his morals”, and is viewed as one of the “good guys” in sports.

    There are some that promote the act of “obtaining stem cells” as helping others rather than it be ending a fetus. Many people have difficulty separating the two because it is a huge grey, emotional, issue.

    Suppan is a poor pitcher (great mechanics though), but we should all lighten up on a man who is voicing an opinion on what he feels is right thing to do.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — September 3, 2010 @ 5:04 pm

  37. How many teams have a rotation that is more than just 1-2-3?

    How many of those teams have 4-5 out with injury?

    I’m not sure StL has a lot of options. I’d prefer to see Boggs in the rotation and Suppan be a one inning guy.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — September 3, 2010 @ 5:08 pm

  38. “’The fact that Jeff Suppan has already received nine starts is a big reason why the Cardinals are now eight games back.’

    I have no idea why people have had a problem with this. If a team has to start Jeff Suppan, their rotation sucks, and having a sucky rotation is big reason they are eight games back. Need more than just 1-2-3.”

    As several commenters have pointed out, it is not Suppan’s performance in the games he has started — at least not in terms of runs allowed — that has pushed them out of contention. It has been, for the most part, the ability to score consistently. Even though his peripherals are obviously not good, the fact is that he has kept the team in pretty much every game. Had another pitcher allowed the same amount of runs with better peripherals while the offense failed to score enough runs to win, they’d be in the exact same boat. That is the point that the Suppan haters seem to be missing.

    In other words, it’s an angry, bitter, negative, nasty post by Jack Moore (nothing new there), but it is also based on a flawed, self-contradicting line of reasoning in terms of what constitutes “poetic justice.” It also overlooks the fact that the Cardinals biggest weakness of late has been their poor hitting as well as the fact that a number of contending teams have had to give more starts than they would like to sub-par pitchers (e.g., the Phillies and Joe Blanton).

    Comment by WY — September 3, 2010 @ 9:54 pm

  39. Obviously the LOB% is unsustainable. But before we dismiss it as 100% luck, lets look at his career LOB% numbers. Maybe some of it is under his control -we know that LOB% does stabilize for credibility after a certain number of PA’s…

    Looking at his career, 83% is certainly an extreme outlier from the rest of his career, so luck does look like the largest culprit by far.

    Comment by Matthew Cornwell — September 4, 2010 @ 9:24 am

  40. It didn’t work the first time? He was the 2006 NLCS MVP.

    We let him go because he wanted too much money.

    Comment by Patrick — September 4, 2010 @ 7:07 pm

  41. “Suppan’s earned-run average was 7.84 when he was let go by Milwaukee in June. Reunited with pitching coach Dave Duncan, who could see that Suppan had been tipping his pitches, Suppan went 3-6 with the Cardinals but with an ERA of 3.68.”

    Comment by WY — October 4, 2010 @ 12:47 pm

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