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  1. The Soriano ball wasn’t going out, so your math needs some adjustment imo. Still, interesting take.

    Comment by GaryW — September 30, 2010 @ 10:25 am

  2. “but that amount should be debited from Young,”

    Should it really though? Or should the amount of WPA for a typical fly ball be subtracted? Or the performance of an average cf?

    While Venable’s plays looked great, its really not possible to tell whether they were great plays, or plays that looked great on tv.

    Comment by Rich — September 30, 2010 @ 10:41 am

  3. Hey look! A forest, just past those trees!

    Comment by BobLoblaw — September 30, 2010 @ 10:52 am

  4. Umm…. I think it’s pretty easy to tell the second play was a great play…. The first play – the ball probably wasn’t going out, and other rangy CFs probably make it easy (see Tony Gwynn)…

    Comment by James — September 30, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

  5. Uh oh, we’re veering dangerously close to actually watching games here. I don’t want anybody thinking that fangraphs writers and readers actually might watch a baseball game!

    Comment by bill — September 30, 2010 @ 12:47 pm

  6. Thanks for this piece. I enjoyed the game from the right field bleachers, where it was pretty obvious who the star of the night was.

    It’s no secret that Chris Young is a fly ball pitcher and gives up a big blast or two, most games. Venable really bailed him out.

    Comment by Matt — September 30, 2010 @ 1:59 pm

  7. The low end on the first one assumes that the ball would’ve been a double. With nobody out, it’s not as big of a difference between a double and a homer as one might think.

    Comment by Jack Moore — September 30, 2010 @ 2:00 pm

  8. Those two plays were excellent and thanks for recapping the situation and the plays here. A lot of time, looking at fangraphs only is missing the details, a misplay here, an error there, etc.

    This is also the first game Venable since he’s off for a couple of games due to his back flaring.

    Comment by MadMonk — September 30, 2010 @ 2:32 pm

  9. There are some SSS warnings, but here are Carlos Gonzalez’s and Venable’s road triple slashes/ISO/BB%/K%/wOBA/wRC+:


    2008: .240/.282/.325/.084/5.5%/24.7%/.269/63
    2009: .263/.344/.467/.204/10.1%/31.4%/.350/107
    2010: .293/.327/.459/.106/5.0%/28.3%/.343/107


    2008: .246/.329/.410/.164/11.4%/23.0%/.323/105
    2009: .299/.353/.514/.215/6.3%/27.1%/.372/138
    2010: .273/.354/.444/.172/10.9%/32.3%/.350/128

    Think the Padres would move AGonz and Venable for CarGo?

    Comment by Travis — September 30, 2010 @ 2:55 pm

  10. hahahahhahahahhahahhhahahahahahaha

    Comment by tyler — September 30, 2010 @ 4:14 pm

  11. Reading the first sentence made me chuckle — I remember watching both of these guys play basketball for Princeton, though their careers didn’t quite overlap due to Young leaving after soph year.

    Comment by MetsFan — September 30, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

  12. Venable really has improved in every facet of the game. He is still weak against LHP, but for somebody who picked up the game late in his athletic life he’s pretty amazing. K’s are a real problem, but less so recently. It’s hard to predict what he can do but he sure is athletic. His arm is just average but man he can fly (29-7 sb’s). His .781ops vsRHP would rank him 8th or so as a NL CF’er. Not bad considering his mid-season slump and the fact he plays half his games at Petco. Gwynn may be better defensively but Venable is far better all-round. I hope the Pads put Venable in CF and leave him there for 2011. Then they can get some hitters to fill the corners.

    Comment by algionfriddo — September 30, 2010 @ 10:55 pm

  13. another in a long line of overrated Rockies hitters…Castilla, Bichette, etc etc etc…

    Comment by oooreeeebaaaayyyy!!!!! — October 1, 2010 @ 6:51 am

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