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  1. At first, I interpreted that picture as a statement on the indifference of Braves fans.

    Comment by Johnson — October 13, 2010 @ 6:07 pm

  2. What does a picture of empty seats prove about Bobby Cox? That it doesn’t matter if the team is good or not, nobody will care?

    Comment by JimNYC — October 13, 2010 @ 6:18 pm

  3. I guess it’s not clear that I’m pointing out the row of pennants for the Braves division championships here. I changed the final sentence of that paragraph to make it a little clearer.

    Comment by Jack Moore — October 13, 2010 @ 6:19 pm

  4. Everything I have seen indicates Fredi Gonzalez will make an excellent manager for the Braves. What worries me more are the long-term budgetary issues preventing this team from being a regular winner. If they refused to spend money in Cox’s final year for the bats they so desperately needed, they will not spend in the future for them.

    Comment by Phantom Stranger — October 13, 2010 @ 7:21 pm

  5. This photo was clearly taken a few years ago. Turner Field has since been renovated in that area, including the screen built into the fence (now in full color) and the out of town scoreboard (also now in full color). The fence itself has also been changed to support the “Braves Country” marketing campaign.

    Attendance in Atlanta has seen an increase over the past year, so don’t let this shot fool you.

    Comment by Bo — October 13, 2010 @ 8:04 pm

  6. attendance may have improved in Atlanta, but it’s still pretty aweful.

    Comment by John — October 13, 2010 @ 9:21 pm

  7. almost as aweful as your spelling

    Comment by Alan — October 13, 2010 @ 10:01 pm

  8. 30,000 a game isn’t awful by any means, pal.

    Comment by bro — October 13, 2010 @ 10:13 pm

  9. I’ll never understand why the manager gets so much credit. A monkey could’ve won with Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz etc. All credit goes to that front office imo.

    Comment by Schu — October 13, 2010 @ 10:18 pm

  10. I agree that the division was the Braves’ to lose during those years. Still, Cox’s legacy was in how he handled the clubhouse and how ferociously he defended his players. But yeah, his in game tactics are still pretty questionable and JS gave him some amazing rosters.

    Comment by scott — October 13, 2010 @ 10:37 pm

  11. So what we’re saying is the Bobby Cox is Charlie Manuel, except with longer tenure?

    Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

    Comment by Hunter — October 13, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

  12. Bobby Cox didn’t just win with great teams, he won with very marginal teams. Check out the 2004 Braves :

    and the 2005 Braves:

    Also worth looking at are the 1992 Braves, who won 98 games with a well-below-average offense. That 2004 team was one of the most impressive. They won 96 games with Russ Ortiz as a frontline starter, and J.D. Drew as their premier hitter.

    Additionally, Cox played a bigger part in his own success than most people give him credit for. He was the GM who traded Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz, who drafted Steve Avery, Chipper Jones, Ryan Klesko, and David Justice. He was the GM when Javy Lopez was signed as an amateur free agent. He began the process that John Schuerholz continued of setting up a strong farm system and building with young talent. Sure, he was lucky to have Maddux and Glavine, but he did have his own agency.

    There’s also statistical evidence that players performed better under Cox than they did under other managers-I know I’ve seen it on THT, among other places. Look it up. He created an environment that was easy for players to play in, treating everyone with the respect due professionals until they showed they weren’t worthy of it, which made them try harder for him. He earned that ejection record not by being a whiny bitch to umpires, but by understand that his players wanted to vent, so he went out and vented for them, getting ejected instead of letting his players get ejected.

    Comment by Bronnt — October 13, 2010 @ 11:22 pm

  13. What is amazing about the Braves is how they always brought in prospects with their stars. He’ll, they probably traded away more talent than many org’s keep.

    Their minor league system was amazing.

    Thanks for Wainwright. Sorry JD Drew didn’t work out.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — October 13, 2010 @ 11:23 pm

  14. 14,000 during meaningful games in September is aweful or awful, no matter how you look at it.

    Comment by Jeff — October 13, 2010 @ 11:24 pm

  15. You win some, you lose some.

    Comment by Creek Johnson — October 13, 2010 @ 11:56 pm

  16. Well, to be fair, J.D. Drew did have a really good season with the Braves. His best season, arguably. It was unfortunate they couldn’t extend him.

    Comment by Yog — October 14, 2010 @ 1:20 am

  17. The JD Drew trade did allow the Braves to win the NL East that year. That alone makes it worth it (while the Teixeira trade failed because the Braves missed the playoffs for those two seasons).

    Comment by ABravesFan — October 14, 2010 @ 2:13 am

  18. The picture above was taken in the 2005 season. I can tell because the 2005 pennant is missing. So take however impressed you are by all the pennants, and add one (well, two now).

    Comment by harpago17 — October 14, 2010 @ 9:54 am

  19. What second pennant are we talking about after the 2005 one?

    Comment by Hunter — October 14, 2010 @ 10:57 am

  20. You know, the pennant they get form winning the wild card…

    Comment by Bizarro RJ — October 14, 2010 @ 11:09 am

  21. My last comment was just a little bit of snark, because the Braves never seemed to have a bad trade, a bust prospect, or things of that nature. Sure, there was Ron gant and the motorcycle and some others I am not recalling. It just seemed that the Braves had the Midas Touch. No, they weren’t lucky, they were just a very well run organization with a pitching staff that we may not see again.

    I’m still a little bitter about ’96. 3 Games to 1. We were leading the series 3 games to 1.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — October 14, 2010 @ 11:20 am

  22. you are right on the money, Yog. J.D. Drew was 8.5 wins above replacement in his 1 season with the Braves, along with Eli Marrero’s 1.8 WAR and .382 wOBA in a platoon role that year. The trade hurts now with Wainwright being a stud, but that trade was a homerun for the Braves in 2004. Almost everyone forgets that.

    Comment by braves fan — October 14, 2010 @ 2:08 pm

  23. Wow. I didn’t know they gave out pennants for winning the wild card. Seriously guess I should pay more attention to my ballpark flags.

    I thought the pennatns were exclusively reserved for winning a division/league/championship.

    Next thing you know, they’re going to give out pennants for participating, just like in little league.

    Comment by Hunter — October 14, 2010 @ 2:11 pm

  24. In other words, to quote Moe Szyslak, “The only thing I know about strategy is that whatever the manager does, it’s wrong. Unless it works, in which case he’s a button-pusher.”

    Comment by Alex Remington — October 14, 2010 @ 2:19 pm

  25. The future is looking bright in Atlanta, even if payroll is decreasing.


    They’ve got a ton of young arms that could land them the bat they need, as there’s not much on the FA market for outfielders anyway. Teheran and Freeman are the only guys I see that are probably untouchable, so it’ll be interesting to see what Wren does to try and fill a gaping hole.

    Comment by Undocorkscrew — October 14, 2010 @ 2:58 pm

  26. Jawbow’s right, I’ve only ever seen gay people care about spelling.

    Comment by Brian Tallet's Moustache — October 14, 2010 @ 3:11 pm

  27. Yup, we’ve got that 2008 NL Wild Card Champions banner right next to the 1982 AL Champions banner at Miller Park.

    Comment by Jack Moore — October 14, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

  28. @ Circle Change

    Braves were up 2 games to 0 in ’96, then lost the last 4 to the Yankees. Up 6 to 0 in Game 4 (damn Jim Leyritz). Being the Braves were my team in the NL, that WS loss was the tough to swallow.

    Comment by Sox27 — October 15, 2010 @ 11:51 am

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