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  1. I just wanted to make sure they knew how good I really am… you know, for the negotiations next month. 6y @ $30m good? I think so.

    Comment by Cliff Lee — October 19, 2010 @ 12:06 pm

  2. Is there any evidence at all that pitchers can really “step up” their games in the playoffs vs. what they do in the regular season, or is it all just SSS?

    Comment by Josh — October 19, 2010 @ 12:09 pm

  3. Pedro did it over two seasons – Cliff Lee has done it through three starts. Isn’t the comparison a bit of a stretch?

    Comment by Doug Brown — October 19, 2010 @ 12:14 pm

  4. doug – no stretch. cliff lee was dominant in last years playoffs. he was dominant when healthy this year as well

    Comment by jacob — October 19, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

  5. pedro also it for two years in the most bloated offensive era since the great depression. with all due respect to the tampa bay rays…

    Comment by frank pepe — October 19, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

  6. Yep. Not to take anything away from Lee’s incredible performances, but Pedro was pitching at the peak of the home run binge in a bigtime hitter’s park in the toughest division in baseball. I think we can safely say we’ll never see anything like his 99/00 again.

    That said, watching Lee mow down the Yankees in the 7th and 8th last night gave me chills.

    Comment by lincolndude — October 19, 2010 @ 12:28 pm

  7. Dear Cliff Lee,

    How do you pitch so well? I really like that you don’t walk guys much at all. The way you shut out the Yankees for 8 innings in the ALCS was really neat! I have a framed picture of you on my wall that I like to look at when there isn’t any baseball on TV. I’m saving up to buy a ticket when to see you play if you come face the Mariners next year (if you’re in the AL). I’m a big Mariners fan, so I hope the score is 0-0!

    See ya soon,
    Dave

    Comment by Evan — October 19, 2010 @ 12:36 pm

  8. Cliff Leegendary!

    Comment by MX — October 19, 2010 @ 12:44 pm

  9. In 1999 the American League had a .786 OPS. In 2010, the Rays had a .736 OPS. Like the others, I’m not trying to take anything away from Cliff Lee or the Rays, but I just thought that needed to be mentioned.

    Comment by bill73083 — October 19, 2010 @ 12:45 pm

  10. Sadface.

    Comment by Brian Tallet's Moustache — October 19, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

  11. It’s not like FIP is adjusted on a year to year basis to account for the run environment.

    Oh wait? It is. Oh that’s right. It is.

    Comment by LawBoss — October 19, 2010 @ 12:50 pm

  12. “There are no words”

    *clicks link*

    four paragraphs of text.

    Well, talk about a poor title for an article.

    Comment by Andy S — October 19, 2010 @ 1:10 pm

  13. alright, it’s lame.

    Comment by MX — October 19, 2010 @ 1:17 pm

  14. There are no words? Disagree.

    http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2010/10/natural-lee.html#more

    Comment by TCQ — October 19, 2010 @ 1:26 pm

  15. Not as lame as Tallet’s awful moustache. It’s not even cool, it’s just like “why do you do that?”

    Comment by Matt Defalco — October 19, 2010 @ 1:34 pm

  16. FIP uses only HRs, BBs, Ks, and IP. In future, be less smug when wrong.

    Comment by don — October 19, 2010 @ 1:39 pm

  17. How can you watch baseball! Can’t you hear there are childrens’ tummies that are rumbing?

    Comment by I wanta be the Gov... — October 19, 2010 @ 1:40 pm

  18. It’d be a stretch if Dave said Cliff Lee was as good as Pedro in ’99-’00. He didn’t. He just said that this stretch of pitching is on par with that level of excellence. Everyone knows it’s a small sample. It’s obvious to the point of being beneath mention.

    Comment by JH — October 19, 2010 @ 2:01 pm

  19. In addition to HR, BB, K, and IP, FIP also has a constant term that changes to account for the run environment. It’s usually around 3.2, and it’s what LawBoss was referring to.

    Comment by BK — October 19, 2010 @ 2:05 pm

  20. Was Pedro really pitching in the toughest division in baseball in 99/00? I mean, when you take into account he was on the Red Sox, Tampa was terrible back then, if I remember correctly the Orioles were pretty awful and the Blue Jays were maybe mediocre. The Yankees were of course loaded with talent.

    Not trying to diminish what Pedro did, it would be ridiculous even if he put up those numbers for 2 years against this year’s Mariners, but I feel people are willing to assume everything that has ever happened in the American League East is even better than it seems.

    Comment by Matt — October 19, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

  21. A few alternatives:

    “We’re running out of words…”

    “There are few words left…”

    “We may have to invent new words…”

    “We’re resorting to wild gesticulating to describe his performances…”

    Comment by Mike B. — October 19, 2010 @ 2:34 pm

  22. Cliff GodLee

    Comment by bill — October 19, 2010 @ 2:56 pm

  23. He was dominant, but Pedro was absolutely superhuman. There really is no modern comparrison.

    Comment by Jonathan — October 19, 2010 @ 3:11 pm

  24. The Posnanski article linked above is awesome.

    And as if Cliff Lee needed any more positive things said about him… but his pace of pitching was great. He doesn’t take much time between pitches and his catcher only needs to sit behind the plate and call the signs. Before you were done admiring his last pitch, the next one was on the way.

    Comment by Jim Lahey — October 19, 2010 @ 4:05 pm

  25. You have some seed on your chin that could use a good blotting.

    Comment by Sandy Kazmir — October 19, 2010 @ 4:13 pm

  26. Oh hai guise, saw this was a Dave Cameron article and I decided that, like all of his articles, I would relentlessly criticize every minor mistake he makes because I’m a total twat with nothing better to do than brood.

    “There are no words” looks like you found plenty, amirite?

    Oh, #6org lololololololol.

    Comment by Tool — October 19, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

  27. Now you ain’t got a number
    You just want to rhumba
    And there ain’t no way you’re gonna go under

    Comment by Colin Newman — October 19, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

  28. “Everyone knows it’s a small sample. It’s obvious to the point of being beneath mention.”

    Hey look it’s the rare arrogant jerk who also has no clue what he’s talking about.
    There have probably been a million starting pitchers that have put up those or better numbers over the course of three starts.

    Even if you limit it to the playoffs, just three years ago there’s a comparable. In 4 starts, Josh Beckett went 35-2 K:BB and gave up one home run.

    The thing that’s beneath mention is everything in Dave’s post.

    Comment by Jake — October 19, 2010 @ 5:46 pm

  29. “We will all tell our children about these three starts. ”

    No, we won’t. We’ll probably forget about it roughly sometime in 2012.

    Comment by Michael — October 19, 2010 @ 5:52 pm

  30. I’m sorry your hero wrote another post with zero insight. And btw, when you’re a snarky douche, people are going to give it back to you tenfold. Run along and tell Dave how awesome he is now.

    Comment by James — October 19, 2010 @ 6:08 pm

  31. I’d still rather watch Roy Halladay.

    Comment by woodman — October 19, 2010 @ 7:54 pm

  32. Just for the record the post this was attempting to make fun of still has twice the +s of this one.

    Comment by James — October 19, 2010 @ 9:46 pm

  33. I’m sorry, but saying “There are no words” and then writing an article is kinda dumb. Not as dumb as you defending it and making fun of people pointing it out though.

    It’s a bad headline.

    Comment by Richard — October 20, 2010 @ 12:21 pm

  34. No, no, no, it’s:

    Dear Cliff,

    I feel like I can call you Cliff ’cause you and me are so much alike. I would love to meet you someday. It would be great to have a catch. I know I can’t throw as fast as you, but I think you would be impressed by my speed. I love your hair. You have great control. Did you have a good relationship with your father? Me neither. These are all things we can talk about. And more. I know you have not been getting my letters because I know you would write back if you did. And I hope you write back this time and we get to be good friends. I’m sure our relationship would be a real home run.
    -Dave

    Comment by Alex Poterack — October 20, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

  35. A 2.00 FIP is a better year in 2000 than in 2010. It doesn’t adjust to the era.

    Comment by don — October 20, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

  36. For the record, it’s completely possible to recognize that there are “no words” to fully describe something. That doesn’t mean you can’t do your best to try to encapsulate his performances with words, knowing that you’ll fall short. He didn’t say “There are no words to fully describe Cliff Lee,” and then follow it up with “Here are the words to fully describe Cliff Lee.”

    Good grief…

    Comment by DominicanRepublican — October 20, 2010 @ 3:43 pm

  37. I think Dave is entitled to get excited about Cliff Lee’s postseason. While not everyone here is going to tell his grandchildren, perhaps Dave is looking forward to that opportunity.

    And all he’s saying is that on the biggest stage possible (except the WS), Cliff Lee is performing like Pedro did back in the day. I would guess that the likelihood of seeing a 0.91 FIP in one postseason over at least 3 starts is pretty slim…and still slim in the next 5 or 10.

    Comment by Matthias — October 21, 2010 @ 3:21 am

  38. Next 5 or 10 postseasons, that is.

    Comment by Matthias — October 21, 2010 @ 3:21 am

  39. Not if Strasburg gets to play

    Comment by Trebecois — October 21, 2010 @ 12:00 pm

  40. J’aime lire des commentaires, en apprenant smoke assist quelquefois beaucoup d’eux ou étant amusé par eux.

    Comment by kalkulator oc allianz — November 4, 2011 @ 5:15 am

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