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  1. Good analysis of the options. I’m hoping they just go with the Panda and leave it, but they won’t.

    Comment by marcello — October 25, 2010 @ 12:41 pm

  2. In fairness to the Panda, he’s still a career .341 wOBA guy from the right side so that probably makes him a better option than the Burrell-Rowand option you mentioned. It does mean putting zombie Renteria on the field but Bochy was probably inclined to do that anyway.

    I thought that one of the reasons Guillen wasn’t on the roster for the first 2 rounds was because of an injury. I realize that Ishikawa gives them a left handed bat but considering all the innings a lefty is likely to pitch for the Rangers, if Guillen’s healthy, he’s probably a better option than Ishikawa is.

    Comment by chuckb — October 25, 2010 @ 12:43 pm

  3. Guillen was supposedly left off the roster due to a neck injury, which may still be an issue. Additionally, Guillen hasn’t traveled with the team or shown up to the home games, as other players who aren’t on the playoff roster have, so he may not be in the team’s favor right now, anyway.

    Comment by Marcus — October 25, 2010 @ 12:57 pm

  4. Sandoval crushed lefties in 2009, but was bad in 2010. Not sure where in that spectrum his true talent is, but you gotta think he’d be their best option in that case.

    Comment by Matt — October 25, 2010 @ 1:33 pm

  5. Going with the best of bad options, I’d go with Sandoval to get his bat in the lineup. I want no part of Jose Guillen – to whatever extent I believe in “clubhouse chemistry”, the guy who left the team the past 3 weeks is not the guy I want playing in the WS.

    Comment by Ace — October 25, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

  6. I think you have to consider the “human element” and consider which player will get the most confidence by having the manager entrust him with DH’ing.

    This is similar to the expert SABR analysis Dave commented on when asked whether Brian WIlson should be pinch hit for with the bases loaded.

    The human element and instilling confidences is at least a half of a win in the WS right?

    Comment by Joe — October 25, 2010 @ 1:50 pm

  7. I think they ought to DH Burrell and play Nate Schierholtz in the outfield. If you can’t add anything much offensively, then you should try to add defense. Schierholtz is a LH hitter, and Rowland bats right, but both of them have reverse platoon splits. Schierholtz has hit .354 in his career (155PA) against left handed pitching, while over the last two seasons Rowland has hit .212 against lefties (237PA).

    Schierholtz is a plus defender, I think that will be a bigger contribution to the Giants chances of winning than any marginal offensive contributions the other options may add. And based on his platoon splits he may have an offensive upside even against LH pitching, over their other options.

    Comment by Kazinski — October 25, 2010 @ 1:52 pm

  8. I’m pretty sure that Giants have no idea where Guillen is located at the moment, so I would rule out that option.

    It is kind of interesting that Burrell and Sandoval are of completely opposite minds regarding the DH. (In spring training this year, he was asked what his favorite position was and he replied, “Hit.”.)

    If it were righty starters, it would be a no-brainer for the Panda, but the lefties definitely complicate the decision. I’d probably start him all three games, but it’s definitely not clear that’s the best thing.

    Comment by Nate — October 25, 2010 @ 1:57 pm

  9. It’s too bad that it’s Pablo’s HOME numbers that read as follows for 2010: .330/.382/.520. His away numbers were pretty bad. That’s part of the problem.

    I still say vote for Pablo, though.

    Comment by hairball — October 25, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

  10. Do you really think Burrell would be unhappy to DH? It’s the World Series for christ’s sake! I imagine players would be happy just to get in the game.

    Comment by Hans — October 25, 2010 @ 2:27 pm

  11. The problem with DHing Sandoval is that it gives you the worst of both worlds. He doesn’t hit on the road, but the defensive combination of Sandoval at third and Uribe at SS is better than Uribe at third and zombie Rentaria at short.

    If the Giants are looking to solve a lefty problem, I’d DH Burrell (despite his stated dislike, I’m sure he can get over it for the WS) and put Shierholtz in RF. Despite the quite limited sample size, Shierholtz seems to hit lefties better and his defensive upside is significant.

    Comment by Ken — October 25, 2010 @ 2:52 pm

  12. This. I don’t think there is enough evidence to conclude sandoval is poor agains LHP. I think the best assumption is that he has league-avg plattoon splits. He should be the DH. His home/road splits should be ignored I think — most likely coincidence.

    Comment by brendan — October 25, 2010 @ 3:42 pm

  13. It seems obvious.

    DH burrell, Huff/Torres/Ross OF, Ishikawa 1b
    or, if you’re really worried about burrell as DH
    Burrell/Torres/Ross OF, Ishikawa 1b, Huff as DH.

    This is the lineup that led the Majors in scoring in July, except
    that you have Ross hitting instead of a pitcher.

    Comment by Derek — October 25, 2010 @ 3:46 pm

  14. Rowand*

    … but besides the typo, I agree. Ross in left, Torres in center, Schierholtz in right. That’s plus speed in all three outfield positions, and Schierholtz’s howitzer of an arm in right. That’s a great defensive setup.

    That means Burrell DH, which in turn means Sandoval at 3B. While Sandoval hasn’t been a defensive or offensive mastermind, I much prefer him to the dead-spot in the lineup that would be Renteria (if Sandoval were DHing). This would result in a lineup somewhat like: Torres, Sanchez, Posey, Burrell, Huff, Ross, Uribe, Sandoval, Schierholtz. And, with Schierholtz 9th, you’ve got some speed linking back to the top of the lineup.

    … this isn’t my prediction, however. I think Bochy will change it from game to game

    Comment by Stocktopus — October 25, 2010 @ 3:59 pm

  15. There is zero chance that Ishikawa is playing vs LH starter. During July, Bochy was operating the Rowand/Ishikawa platoon with Huff swapping positions.

    Straight numbers will probably say DH Burrell and run Ross/Rowand/Torres OF against the lefties. (Would be better if Rowand could be convinced that he could play LF.) But that depends on Bochy and Burrell correctly analyzing his DH angst.

    Comment by Nate — October 25, 2010 @ 4:08 pm

  16. Straight numbers will probably say DH Burrell and run Ross/Rowand/Torres OF against the lefties.

    There is no way Rowand is a better option either offensively of defensively than Schierholz.

    Comment by Kazinski — October 25, 2010 @ 4:33 pm

  17. “There’s a reason Guillen was left off the postseason roster to begin with – he’s not a good player, and his weaknesses far outweigh his strengths.”

    Maybe so, but the Giants obviously believed he had some value when they acquired him. They likely left him off the postseason roster because the neck injury he was dealing with had been affecting his hitting so much.

    Other than that, the analysis in this post is pretty spot-on. It’s interesting that Texas is dealing with the reverse problem in terms of trying to figure out who to take out of their lineup for the games in SF (as was covered in another post on here).

    Comment by WY — October 25, 2010 @ 4:41 pm

  18. “It’s interesting that Texas is dealing with the reverse problem in terms of trying to figure out who to take out of their lineup for the games in SF (as was covered in another post on here).”

    Like every year in the WS – and it’s always a bigger problem for the AL team.

    Comment by LondonStatto — October 25, 2010 @ 6:08 pm

  19. I think you can take it a step further than that. Guillen has the reputation for being a terrible teamate/clubhouse person, and I heard murmurs that that continued to be true in SF and the only reason he was playing was because he was easier to deal with then and the Giants didn’t feel they had an option good enough to make Guillen more difficult to deal with.
    It’s my belief that when the playoffs came around they just cut ties with him and said good riddance; if you’re not on the roster, we don’t have to deal with you, and then said stuff about him not being 100% healthy to give it a more positive spin to the media.

    Comment by matt — October 25, 2010 @ 7:55 pm

  20. I would think it will be Sandoval against any RHP’s and Either Rowand or Burrell againts LHP’s with the other playing in the field. One other possibillity is putting Torres in RF, Rowand in CF, Burrell in LF and having Cody Ross DH against LHP’s.

    Comment by DrBGiantsfan — October 25, 2010 @ 7:58 pm

  21. Have Burrell DH.

    Put Schierholtz in RF, Torres in Center, Ross in LF.

    Send Burrell down to the visitors bullpen each inning with his glove and take his position as the 4th outfielder.

    Problem solved.

    Comment by fierrpawz — October 25, 2010 @ 10:09 pm

  22. I agree… i think the bigger part of his problem was Tampa and not so much his role. Its been well documented he wasn’t happy in Tampa so I’m sure that plays into his distaste for DHing. I think he’ll do whatever the team needs him to do at this point and he’ll like it because like you said its the WS for god’s sake!

    Comment by durs836 — October 25, 2010 @ 11:22 pm

  23. This. I’m not normally one to focus on managerial impact, but it certainly appears Bochy has managed to orchestrate some very impressive team chemistry. He’s juggled his lineups, his rotation, and his bullpen roles left and right, especially in the playoffs. He took his best offensive player for the first half of the year (Huff) and moved him back and forth from 1b to the OF. He’s played Juan Uribe all over the place. And yet — not a peep from anyone.

    I’d bet Burrell would DH in a heartbeat. That said, while I do like the Ross – Torres – Schierholtz alignment, I still feel like Panda’s offensive upside is just too great to justify keeping him on the bench. Runs will be at a premium and Sandoval has the potential to be the biggest net gain in the runs category (including the runs Schierholtz can save on defense). Or at least that’s my take.

    Comment by Graham — October 26, 2010 @ 1:40 am

  24. Fontenot needs consideration as DH against RHP based on his splits.

    With the Giants starting two left-handers in Texas, and the pitching approach likely to be away, away and farther away to the Rangers righty batters, Burrell’s fielding is less of a potential liability. Ross is a respectable right-fielder and while Schierholtz has slightly more range and a better arm he’s a questionable lefty hitter with a reverse platoon split.

    There’s no need to change the outfield for these games and Sandoval’s questionable range is somewhat hidden as most of the balls in play can be expected to be up the middle or to the right side. Uribe at shortstop can provide a little help taking a step to his right perhaps.

    It might be tempting to DH Huff and play Ishikawa at first base to enjoy the better defense with more balls expected to come this way. While Ishikawa’s splits are marginally better than Fontenot’s he’d be throughly overmatched by a quality righty reliever, a substitution would be required and there are no other practical options for 1B beyond these two, thus the DH would have to be forfeited to move Huff in to defense.

    With Fontenot at DH and batting 9th he’s easily taken out in favor of Rowand or Renteria preventing a lefty reliever from working a full inning against Uribe (presumed hitting 8th) and turning around Torres in the leadoff spot. And it preserves Ishikawa and Schierholtz as lefty PH and defensive replacement options in other situations.

    Comment by S.F. Giangst — October 26, 2010 @ 1:47 am

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  26. The fact that Sandoval is naturally left-handed lends some credence to an argument that he should hit RHP better.

    Comment by Alireza — October 26, 2010 @ 11:56 am

  27. Lets not forget, however, that the AWAY stadium is Texas.

    Comment by Alireza — October 26, 2010 @ 11:57 am

  28. This is hilarious

    Comment by Alireza — October 26, 2010 @ 12:03 pm

  29. I believe all that is true with regard to them leaving him off the roster.

    I do not understand why they didn’t cut him once they had Ross. Ross, at his worst offensively, is equal to Guillen, with much better defense.

    Thankfully, the Giants made the playoffs and made better decisions.

    Comment by drstankus — October 27, 2010 @ 1:22 am

  30. Ross is a superior fielder to Rowand. There is no reason to have him DH and have Rowand play CF.

    Comment by drstankus — October 27, 2010 @ 1:29 am

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