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  1. At least Alderson will not have overwhelming Latin pride steer him into signing up a marginal starting pitcher who had 1 good year in 2004, among other GREAT organization moves.. As a Mets fan, I can only hope…

    Comment by Ryan H. — November 1, 2010 @ 9:37 am

  2. hindsight is 20/20. There was a lot of pressure to sign Oliver with his performance in big games, a thin market for pitching and underdeveloped minor league talent. Lots of posters on from Mets Blog to Amazin Avenue was calling for him to be signed.

    Omar was treated extremely unfairly. He did quite well with what he had, and without his expertise with young talent, our farm would be pathetic right now. As it stands, it’s middle of the pack, and that’s all Omar.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 10:17 am

  3. If Reyes and/or Beltran stay healthy, this is a playoff caliber team. They add a single #2 or #3 caliber starter, and we could be talking World Series.

    Pelf and Niese are good for 400 solid innings or better. The team is in great shape except for the 2 main lineup pieces being injured. The farm is stocked with underdeveloped talent, but that benefits Alderson. I like the move, but Sandy is going to get credit for a lot of things he didn’t do. Omar is responsible for the key components of this team, which if healthy, are plenty good enough to win it all.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 10:24 am

  4. Most GMs are not completely responsible for his team. You mentioned Reyes a few times, he was here before Omar.

    Comment by Bubba — November 1, 2010 @ 12:16 pm

  5. Don’t forget that Johan probably will be a non-factor for 2011. That’s a huge step backwards. Color me skeptical that a healthy Mets team plus another mid-level starter are World Series contenders. I still see them as the third best team in their own division.

    Comment by Steve — November 1, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

  6. That’s bullshit. The move was slaughtered by analysts from the start. If Omar gave into fan pressure as a reason for signing a guy, he should have been fired on the spot.

    Comment by Kevin S. — November 1, 2010 @ 12:24 pm

  7. The business revolves around fan pressure.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 12:47 pm

  8. Omar was the scout who signed Reyes. GM was not Omar’s first job with the Mets.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 12:48 pm

  9. Pretty broad, unsubstantiated statement there. (par for the internet)

    Johan has been one of the best free agent pitcher signings in the history of the game so far.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

  10. Wait, the guy who wrote this:

    They add a single #2 or #3 caliber starter, and we could be talking World Series.

    just accused someone else of making a “broad, unsubstantiated” statement?? hilarious

    and this:

    Johan has been one of the best free agent pitcher signings in the history of the game so far.

    is insane. Most free agents look good halfway through their contracts. It’s the second half that dooms most FA contracts, and Johan doesn’t look like he’s going to buck that trend.

    Johan’s first 3 seasons as a Met (WAR) – 11
    CC’s first TWO seasons as a Yankee – 11.4

    I’m sure if you looked up the first 3 seasons for big time pitching FA’s like Mussina, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, etc. they would blow Johan away. There has been nothing historically special about Johan’s time in Queens so far. The only notable aspect is how little they gave up in the trade.

    Comment by Steve — November 1, 2010 @ 1:16 pm

  11. Santana was acquired in a trade; the fact that they gave up little that turned out to be of value (especially compared to what was being asked of the Yankees and Red Sox to part with for him) makes it seem like they signed him as a FA.

    Comment by PTS — November 1, 2010 @ 1:30 pm

  12. Johan was a free agent signing?


    Oh, you mean best signing by the Twins right?

    Comment by Lets Go Mutz — November 1, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

  13. Your “analysis” is a very good example of “selection bias”. Stupid is as stupid does.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

  14. The Mets traded for Johan, but they essentially replaced his old contract with the Twins. He had one year left at $13M, and the Mets basically tore that up and paid him $17M in 2008.

    It was a trade, but I don’t have a problem viewing the massive extension as a FA contract.

    What I do have a problem with is all the other nonsense this guy is spewing.

    Comment by Steve — November 1, 2010 @ 1:42 pm

  15. He’s basically a free agent acquisition. The trade only worked to facilitate the contract. Sure, technically he wasn’t a “free agent”. You’re either here to examine reality or to debate semantics, grammar and meaningless technicalities. The internet is broad enough that good points are lost in the noise.

    It’s annoying, but the world needs people like you too.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

  16. @Steve

    I’m sorry to fluster you by refusing to sheep along with all of you, but I have a bad habit of thinking and putting things into context.

    Not sure why it bothers you. No matter how much information you have, you will find a way to believe what you want. You’ve been doing it your whole life.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

  17. Are you insane or just a troll?

    You haven’t offered a single lick of evidence anywhere in this thread to back the many outrageous claims you have made, and when people disagree, you start throwing around crazy insults.

    You are either mentally ill or just a bored a-hole, but either way I’m done with you.

    Have fun rooting the Mets to 82 wins this year!!

    Comment by Steve — November 1, 2010 @ 1:53 pm

  18. Damn and I thought there were going to be 17 replies talking about the Mets hiring of Alderson. What a let down.

    Comment by ritz — November 1, 2010 @ 2:11 pm

  19. i think rick hahn should have been hired as the gm for the Mets.

    Comment by SF 55 for life — November 1, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

  20. Johan was not technically a free agent, we wasn’t basically a free agent, he wasn’t kinda a free agent. He was acquired in a trade. End of Story.

    if Reyes and /or Beltran staying healthy = Playoff team …is a pretty broad unsubstantiated statement. Especially the and/or part.

    Here is my empirical evidence 2007 through 2010. Either Reyes was healthy and they missed the playoffs or they both were hurt (and they missed the playoffs). Reyes and his 600 ABs healthly in 2010, no playoffs though. 2007 Both healthy, no playoffs.

    The mets are in a tough division looking up at better SP staffs in the Braves and Phillies. I don’t see them making the playoffs next year.

    Comment by Lets Go Mutz — November 1, 2010 @ 2:58 pm

  21. Nope. The business revolves around winning.

    Comment by mattymatty2000 — November 1, 2010 @ 4:05 pm

  22. My point was too abstract for such a simple minded audience. Ok, let’s go back to “Bumgarner is good because he’s young” discussions. I’m sorry to have wasted any time here.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

  23. Best rule 5 pick maybe, but best free agent signing? I agree that one would have to be a free agent to be eligible for that award.

    Comment by noseeum — November 1, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

  24. It’s funny. When shitting on Omar, then “they only got Johan because of the money”. When shitting on Johan, he was acquired via trade, so he can’t be compared to a pool of free agent signings.

    They got one year via trade. The rest was BOUGHT.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 5:23 pm

  25. I dunno, simple minded could also be “Reyes AND OR beltran staying healthy = Mets in the Post Season”

    Listen, Phillies are old and getting older and may fall off a cliff soon, I don’t know when, but I wager they will be better than the Mets next year. Braves are generally young and also pretty good. I don’t see the Mets closing the gap next year. I don’t know where, or how, they could possible luck into a #2 starter. Sandy has his work cut out, and I think the 2011 team is going to more of the 2010 team.

    Comment by Lets Go Mutz — November 1, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

  26. As a lifelong fan of the Braves, I will be sorry to see Omar leave as GM. He truly was awful, being barely competent with a team that should be a perennial contender with its market advantage over the other NL teams.

    Comment by Phantom Stranger — November 1, 2010 @ 5:33 pm

  27. Lotta venom in this thread.

    I think that it’s absolutely true that if things break well for the Mets, they could go to the playoffs and, once there, are a simple hot streak away from a World Series title.

    Such a statement is true of about 2/3rds of the teams in the league, however. Who saw the Giants winning it all at the start of the season? Every year, some team is going to see its stars perform well and stay healthy, its role players do surprisingly well, and end up in the playoffs. It happens every year. It could happen to the Mets.

    Or it could happen to the Marlins.

    Comment by NBarnes — November 1, 2010 @ 10:47 pm

  28. This Guy, you’re just coming off as foolish in this thread. Johan the best free agent signing (we know, he wasn’t a free agent) ever? That is insane. Especially considering his injury and the fact that he basically throws 89 mph now. Yes, his ERA has been spectacular but look beyond that and you see his average of roughly 7.4 k/9 with the Mets. With the Twins it was more like 9 k/9 at least. He has slipped from the rank of the elite and will continue to be paid like the best for several more seasons. Same thing with Beltran.

    Comment by Horace — November 1, 2010 @ 11:40 pm

  29. Venom in a Mets related fangraphs comment? Shocking!

    Should be short lived though. Sandy’s on the lookout to hire DePodesta and friends, from there they’re just one mention of win values or run prevention from the Mets becoming FG darlings.

    Phillies aren’t falling off a cliff quite yet, and the Braves might stay around the same. The Mets as a playoff team isn’t probable.

    “this guy” is stretching things. Best you can say for the Mets is a load of ifs. If Sandy can pull off a trade for a decent starter without giving up Mejia or young ML roster pieces, if Beltran can manage 120 games in RF, if Santana isn’t out for more than half the season and is relatively effective when he comes back, if Jason Bay plays to his history instead of his 2010 stat line, if Sandy plays the FA bullpen market well… sure, they have a shot at the playoffs.

    Comment by WC — November 2, 2010 @ 4:39 am

  30. This Guy,
    Pelf and Niese booked for a, “solid” 400 innings? dream on.
    Santana pitching effectively for 150, not likely.
    Old man Dickey fooling the National league again with his Knucklehangingcurveball, Right.

    That’s four starters btw

    Mets fans should be looking to 2012

    Comment by Kev — November 3, 2010 @ 2:40 am

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