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  1. I think the best part for Bumgarner is that he overcame that drop in FB velocity. For a while we were talking about this guy losing his top prospect status because he wasn’t breaking 90mph. Last night he was dialing it up to the mid 90s at times and making batters look foolish.

    Comment by Justin — November 1, 2010 @ 10:41 am

  2. Geez, why do you guys need to dramatize so much? It was a great game where an unfamiliar pitcher had command of 3 pitches, which eh doesnt always have. I’m very excited for him as I like the way he pitches, but this article is quite unnecessary. We all saw what happend. This is just fodder.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 10:43 am

  3. agree

    Comment by mdw — November 1, 2010 @ 10:46 am

  4. Fluff pieces like this are supposed to be beneath Fangraphs. You guys need a mission statement.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 10:48 am

  5. You should cancel your paid subscription.

    Comment by Everett — November 1, 2010 @ 11:06 am

  6. This piece goes beyond fluff. Jack Moore put into context just how fantastic Bumgarner pitched last night. You aren’t going to see ESPN use game scores to judge pitchers any time soon.

    Comment by stevman17 — November 1, 2010 @ 11:17 am

  7. If you can’t enjoy a 21 year old kid making a fantastic and rare start, then watch another sport. The post just puts that into perspective, it didn’t talk about his childhood or what we were all doing when we were 21. Get over it.

    Comment by Joe — November 1, 2010 @ 11:32 am

  8. Actually, we all didn’t see it, jack ass.

    And if your argument is that this blog post was pointless, doesn’t that make your comment in said blog post even more pointless?

    Comment by Wally — November 1, 2010 @ 11:49 am

  9. I enjoyed it a lot. I didn’t need to read that it was “amazing” on a site that is trying to be known for quantitative analysis.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 11:55 am

  10. Whoah… it’s like the little Indian lady on the Land ‘O Lakes Box!

    Comment by Bigmouth — November 1, 2010 @ 11:59 am

  11. Apparently one comment deriding the article wasn’t enough, so he had to circle around for another shot. Damn that Jack Moore for forcing me, forcing all of us, to read this high-cost garbage!!

    (That’s about all the faux outrage I can muster on a Monday morning.)

    Comment by Jason B — November 1, 2010 @ 12:00 pm

  12. Sure is, my post is meaningless, as is yours, now mine again. But I’m not the guy overly concerned with that.

    Also, you ever cut out the box of butter she’s holding then folded her knees up to fill the space where the box was? Nice little trick.

    Comment by Wally — November 1, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

  13. I enjoyed the piece – thanks guys. Fangraphs overall coverage has made this WS more enjoyable for this Giants fan.

    Comment by Ace — November 1, 2010 @ 12:31 pm

  14. Agree with Ace. Thanks Dave and Fangraphs for some great world series analysis.

    Comment by Pat — November 1, 2010 @ 12:47 pm

  15. I hear Sandy Koufax dressed up to go Trick-or-Treating as Madison Bumgarner last night.

    Comment by Ken — November 1, 2010 @ 12:52 pm

  16. I’m doing them a favor by informing that they need to raise the bar if they want to be what they are trying to be.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 12:59 pm

  17. You would do us all a favor if you’d just stop commenting.

    Comment by marcello — November 1, 2010 @ 1:07 pm

  18. Right, and Jack didn’t do anything to attempt to quantify just how amazing of a start it was…

    Comment by Wally — November 1, 2010 @ 2:15 pm

  19. No, I have it on good authority from Elvis that it was actually the ghost of Christy Mathewson who had apperently taken over Madison Bumgarner’s body. He also said that Christy will be ready to go on 3 day’s rest if game seven is necissary.

    Comment by Wally — November 1, 2010 @ 2:32 pm

  20. All the other stuff aside …

    Wouldn’t this be the EXACT type of situation that FG would frown upon placing too much weight on?

    I’ve heard all the comments before, only when I am defending another pitcher.
    Madison cannot control who he plays for. He cannot control when he pitches. He cannot control whether it’s the playoffs or not. So, by celebrating a shutout just because it is the World Series is to reward him for something he cannot control. Had he thrown a shutout against Seattle no one would care. We’re just rewarding a SSS here.

    I think those comments are full of crap, and throwing a shutout in the WS IS a big deal, much bigger than a shutout in May.

    The fact that Bumgarner is even making a World Series start at age 21 is remarkable.

    The fact that he is making an MLB start at 21 is remarkable. That SF made the World Series (I’ve read they have the dumbest GM around, and make a bad of bad signings, and over-pay for other team’s cast-offs, and on and on, and on and on, and on) is remarkable. So, that he is starting a WS game for the SF at age 21 must be just unbelievably, amazingly, incredibly, remarkable.

    Yes, I’m being a little sarcastic and I am taking jabs at certain FG authors who don’t seem to get much right, but just being an MLB starter at 21 is amazing.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — November 1, 2010 @ 2:34 pm

  21. The short article merely described how rare it is for a pitcher that age to pitch in the WS and on top of that pitch a great game. Go watch the Cowboys or something…oops, sorry.

    Comment by Joe — November 1, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

  22. tool

    Comment by chumpchange — November 1, 2010 @ 3:04 pm

  23. Sure made it nice that he only had to get 22 outs for those 8 innings – first base ump needs a reassignment

    Comment by george — November 1, 2010 @ 3:22 pm

  24. Wow! This is an unreal rotation! The 5th starter, who did not make any of the postseason rosters, also has a Cy Young on his mantle.

    Now the 4th @ 21 Yrs throws 8 scoreless in the WS!

    While I agree that Bumgarner will have plenty of games where he is around the plate too much and will get hit around from time to time, he has serious moxie and is not afraid of any situation. Case in point, last night.

    It will be interesting to chart his growth in years to come. Is there a CY in his future?

    Comment by Scout Finch — November 1, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

  25. Bumgarner pitched well, but he also had great D and a bit of luck on his side.
    He allowed 19 balls in play, including 6 line drives, and only 3 balls fell in as hits.
    Burrell not in LF was a big help to Bumgarner.

    Comment by bowie — November 1, 2010 @ 3:43 pm

  26. Good thing they picked Cody Ross and Madison Bumgarner over Jose Guillen and Barry Zito, huh?

    Comment by Alex Remington — November 1, 2010 @ 3:59 pm

  27. A: It was 23, the ump only called one guy out who was safe, and B: It’s back up to 24 if you throw in Uribe’s error.

    Comment by Viliphied — November 1, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

  28. Ok fine. The great “saber” site will be used to point out an outlier performance given age, which takes all but 3 seconds on any player profile page to see, and was probably mentioned 1 zillion times over the past couple days, over the course of ONE baseball game.

    Good job guys. Great article. Maybe next time you can “uncover” the player’s height, or weight. That would save me the trouble of bringing up a player’s profile page too. Awesome work guys. Keep it up.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 4:54 pm

  29. Really, you can look up how often some of a similar age has made a similar start as determined by game scores in a profile page? What site is that?

    Comment by Wally — November 1, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

  30. To support the relevance of Bumgarner’s start and this article, look at where he pitched, the team he was facing and what they did to the previous lefties they faced. Lefty opponents had something like a 5.50 ERA against Texas and producing roughly and .800 OPS in the playoffs. Sure it would be nice to see the adjusted numbers, but it can’t be too far off, look at the quality of the pitchers faced: Price 2x, CC 2x and Pettitte.

    Comment by DownwiththeDH — November 1, 2010 @ 7:44 pm

  31. “…am taking jabs at certain FG authors who don’t seem to get much right” – twice you’ve commented to this effect today. Kind of a sweeping generalization, just like the kind you’re casting dispersions on, no?

    Comment by Jason B — November 1, 2010 @ 11:05 pm

  32. I’ll place heavy money on “no”.

    Comment by Jason B — November 1, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

  33. Hey it wasn’t exactly “The Road to Serfdom” in terms of analysis and sheer analytical insight but. somebody had to say something about his game. Bumgarner pitched 216 innings between AAA, the regular season and the postseason, and his last 8 were probably the best 8 he had put together. Small sample size, so what? The whole history of the world series is a history of small sample sizes. He pitched a great game and there is nothing wrong with recognizing that.

    Comment by Kazinski — November 2, 2010 @ 1:27 am

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