Can I ask what held Charlie Furbrush off the list? I expected to see him make the list given a strong FIP at A+ & AA (2.17/3.92) with strong components (5.6 K/BB) without significant BABIP or LOB% luck. Yes, he struggled in AAA at the end of the year, but should he be blamed for not effectively making the jump from A+ to AAA in one season? Seems like he’s only a season away from being a #3-4 starter, no?
I love the commentary on Daniel Fields though – in context he has been impressive.
Franky, I’m surprised to see so many relievers on here. Ruffin at a peak WAR of 3.5? I guess you think that he’s going back to the starting rotation? I presume you no longer consider Weinhardt a prospect because I imagine he’d project higher than Schlereth, Ruffin, and Rondon.
No Casey Crosby at all? Has he really fallen that far? I doubt any GM in the league would trade Casey Crosby for a Bruce Rondon-type prospect straight up.
Also, the one guy I expected might get more love from the Fangraphs mavens was Brayan Villarreal. Had a tremendous year, is still pretty young, and his stats profile better than his raw stuff.
Furbush got some consideration and is probably in the 11-15 range for me. He’s a lefty but also has average stuff and is probably a No. 4-5 starter or middle reliever at the MLB level. Crosby is going to have to show the ability to stay healthy before he gets serious consideration in the Top 10. Villarreal was a close call and Weinhardt is in there, too (I like his ground-ball numbers). I do think Ruffin has a chance to be a starter, although my gut is that he’ll be a long-term reliever.
The Tigers have a weird system. You can obviously see the product of their draft strategy of spending big on a couple elite guys, and then going the cheaper route to fill things out.
I’m interested to see what Fields does this year after they were insane to rush him up to the high A this past year. Hoping they also keep Oliver in AAA to work on fastball command and at least one off-speed pitch.
The other potential guy I’m looking forward to seeing in the system is Danry Vazquez. They usually don’t spend much in Latin America, but they seem very high on him.
Avisail Garcia: Does he project to be anything. I know he is still super young, and only played in the low A MWL. I hear people talk about his “tools” all the time, but just wondering what he projects to be. Thanks.
I don’t see Garcia as anything unless the approach changes significantly. He’s really young still, but he’s not going anywhere with a BB% of 3.8. He had 20 BB in 524 plate appearances last year. For an OF, that’s not going to get it done.
Mike, From all I have read, the Tigers have quite a player in Danry Vazquez. The hit tool can be seen, along with good plate discipline and pitch recognition. It could take a little longer for the defense to catch up,(taking better routes to fly balls and such).
It’s quite interesting to see that the Tigers top end depth is continually built upon the early stages of drafts. The Tigers are consistently among the highest spenders on draft day – at least with the early round bonus busters – and it seems to pay off for them as they are annually able to retool their system while typically making large trades which empties the system.
The Tigers system is horrible. Their scouting and their draft philosophy just have not gotten the job done. Lets really look at what they are spending their money on. One or two players per draft. Frankly, Justin Verlander is the only player that has paid off thus far. The jury is still out on Turner, Oliver, and Porcello. Maybin and Miller were horrible. Detroit is lucky that Florida is as bad at scouting as they are.
Yet another season where the Tigers farm system is in the bottom third. Yuck.
2011 draft is strong. Why do I feel like the Tigers are going to load up on more relievers?
You can’t say that Verlander is the only top draft pick to pay off when Dombrowski wisely took the opportunity to turn Maybin & Andrew Miller (plus some filler) into Miguel Cabrera.
It’s not like the Tigers and Marlins were the only teams in baseball that thought Maybin and Miller were highly talented. Maybin especially was on top prospect lists until just recently.
If Casey Crosby can make a comeback to where he was the Tigers will have a nice problem with their starting rotation. He was considered the second best prospect only two years ago and rated a 4 star by BA.
Drew says:
November 11, 2010 at 11:32 am
Can I ask what held Charlie Furbrush off the list? I expected to see him make the list given a strong FIP at A+ & AA (2.17/3.92) with strong components (5.6 K/BB) without significant BABIP or LOB% luck. Yes, he struggled in AAA at the end of the year, but should he be blamed for not effectively making the jump from A+ to AAA in one season? Seems like he’s only a season away from being a #3-4 starter, no?
I love the commentary on Daniel Fields though – in context he has been impressive.
The Nicker says:
November 11, 2010 at 11:34 am
Franky, I’m surprised to see so many relievers on here. Ruffin at a peak WAR of 3.5? I guess you think that he’s going back to the starting rotation? I presume you no longer consider Weinhardt a prospect because I imagine he’d project higher than Schlereth, Ruffin, and Rondon.
No Casey Crosby at all? Has he really fallen that far? I doubt any GM in the league would trade Casey Crosby for a Bruce Rondon-type prospect straight up.
Also, the one guy I expected might get more love from the Fangraphs mavens was Brayan Villarreal. Had a tremendous year, is still pretty young, and his stats profile better than his raw stuff.
Eric says:
November 11, 2010 at 11:59 am
No Casey Crosby is surprising. I’m assuming it’s the injuries that keep him off the list?
Overall, it’s a rather exciting group (especially at the top) for this low on the list.
Marc Hulet says:
November 11, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Furbush got some consideration and is probably in the 11-15 range for me. He’s a lefty but also has average stuff and is probably a No. 4-5 starter or middle reliever at the MLB level. Crosby is going to have to show the ability to stay healthy before he gets serious consideration in the Top 10. Villarreal was a close call and Weinhardt is in there, too (I like his ground-ball numbers). I do think Ruffin has a chance to be a starter, although my gut is that he’ll be a long-term reliever.
Mike says:
November 11, 2010 at 12:18 pm
The Tigers have a weird system. You can obviously see the product of their draft strategy of spending big on a couple elite guys, and then going the cheaper route to fill things out.
I’m interested to see what Fields does this year after they were insane to rush him up to the high A this past year. Hoping they also keep Oliver in AAA to work on fastball command and at least one off-speed pitch.
The other potential guy I’m looking forward to seeing in the system is Danry Vazquez. They usually don’t spend much in Latin America, but they seem very high on him.
Chase says:
November 11, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Casey Crosby got hurt…again. I’m rather certain anything the Tigers get out of him is bonus.
Chase says:
November 11, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Avisail Garcia: Does he project to be anything. I know he is still super young, and only played in the low A MWL. I hear people talk about his “tools” all the time, but just wondering what he projects to be. Thanks.
Mike says:
November 11, 2010 at 1:20 pm
I don’t see Garcia as anything unless the approach changes significantly. He’s really young still, but he’s not going anywhere with a BB% of 3.8. He had 20 BB in 524 plate appearances last year. For an OF, that’s not going to get it done.
Ron says:
November 11, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Mike, From all I have read, the Tigers have quite a player in Danry Vazquez. The hit tool can be seen, along with good plate discipline and pitch recognition. It could take a little longer for the defense to catch up,(taking better routes to fly balls and such).
Brandon says:
November 11, 2010 at 5:32 pm
It’s quite interesting to see that the Tigers top end depth is continually built upon the early stages of drafts. The Tigers are consistently among the highest spenders on draft day – at least with the early round bonus busters – and it seems to pay off for them as they are annually able to retool their system while typically making large trades which empties the system.
Steve says:
November 11, 2010 at 6:09 pm
No mention of Casper Wells? Does that mean nobody realistically ever sees him making a contribution as a COF?
Dan says:
November 11, 2010 at 10:13 pm
How about another of DET’s most recent draftees: Drew Smyly. Where would he fall?
johan says:
November 12, 2010 at 5:22 am
The Tigers system is horrible. Their scouting and their draft philosophy just have not gotten the job done. Lets really look at what they are spending their money on. One or two players per draft. Frankly, Justin Verlander is the only player that has paid off thus far. The jury is still out on Turner, Oliver, and Porcello. Maybin and Miller were horrible. Detroit is lucky that Florida is as bad at scouting as they are.
Yet another season where the Tigers farm system is in the bottom third. Yuck.
2011 draft is strong. Why do I feel like the Tigers are going to load up on more relievers?
AWS says:
November 12, 2010 at 11:49 am
You can’t say that Verlander is the only top draft pick to pay off when Dombrowski wisely took the opportunity to turn Maybin & Andrew Miller (plus some filler) into Miguel Cabrera.
Eric Cioe says:
November 14, 2010 at 4:20 pm
It’s not like the Tigers and Marlins were the only teams in baseball that thought Maybin and Miller were highly talented. Maybin especially was on top prospect lists until just recently.
Coach says:
January 16, 2011 at 3:34 pm
If Casey Crosby can make a comeback to where he was the Tigers will have a nice problem with their starting rotation. He was considered the second best prospect only two years ago and rated a 4 star by BA.
Matt K says:
February 20, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Looking forward to the 2012 edition!