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  1. I’m still the best.

    Comment by Chase Utley — November 1, 2010 @ 10:34 pm

  2. Is that quantitatively true?

    Comment by mdw — November 1, 2010 @ 10:34 pm

  3. just sabermetrically so

    Comment by Yashar — November 1, 2010 @ 10:35 pm

  4. 2010 WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!

    Comment by Ratto's Pants — November 1, 2010 @ 10:39 pm

  5. gee dave, i’d like to some numbers on this ;)

    Comment by fredsbank — November 1, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

  6. Looking forward to next season, do Uribe, Huff, Renteria and Burrell come back? Can we snag Werth or Crawford? My preferences, Yes, Yes, No, No, Crawford.

    Comment by dustygator — November 1, 2010 @ 10:41 pm

  7. Congrats, Giants. Now go vote.

    Comment by bflaff — November 1, 2010 @ 10:42 pm

  8. Congrats indeed! My wife is a huge Giants fan, so this is a big day for us! :)

    Comment by B N — November 1, 2010 @ 10:43 pm

  9. I have been a giants fan since I was old enough to hold a baseball – dreaming

    Comment by AK707 — November 1, 2010 @ 10:48 pm

  10. The story for me was Posey’s defense. 20 years, $300 million. Do it.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 10:51 pm

  11. There is some wholesale, bulk stupid being spewed on ESPN right now. There is no stupid like post big game gushing on ESPN.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 10:56 pm

  12. Waiting to see how fWAR manages to rank Cliff Lee positively on his two World Series outings.

    Comment by CC Sabathia — November 1, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

  13. I married into Giants fandom in ’05 (and a share of season tickets) and have struggled through a lot of pretty-good teams. This year’s pitching staff is nothing short of epic.
    Yay Giants!!11one!1one!!

    Comment by mettle — November 1, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

  14. I don’t get baseball anymore

    Comment by Htpp — November 1, 2010 @ 11:01 pm

  15. You never did. What’s this “anymore” business?

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 11:05 pm

  16. Whats amazing is how they dominated the playoffs while being underdogs the entire time. They went 11-4 against the Braves, Phillies and Rangers. Unbelievable.

    Comment by Kevin Yost — November 1, 2010 @ 11:10 pm

  17. they didn’t want to bring him up in the beginning of the year because “he wasn’t ready” for being a catcher. He’s now one of the best in the league.

    Comment by Kevin Yost — November 1, 2010 @ 11:11 pm

  18. Does this buy Brian Sabean a little credibility? Seems like he’s been fairly vigorously dismissed the last few years.

    Comment by longgandhi — November 1, 2010 @ 11:12 pm

  19. I think you are by far the most underrated professional baseball player on the face of the Earth.

    Comment by gradygradychase — November 1, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

  20. 7 years, one playoff experience. Barry Zito. 100 million dollar budget. Congratulations Giants; you won this one, not your GM.

    Comment by John — November 1, 2010 @ 11:16 pm

  21. Sign Manny.

    Comment by this guy — November 1, 2010 @ 11:17 pm

  22. I cant believe we won it… Sabean, ur ok. RENTARIA, u just earned your contract. Now to resign huff and ross..

    Comment by Giants 162-0 — November 1, 2010 @ 11:18 pm

  23. They weren’t underdogs against the Braves. Are you kidding? The Braves started Brooks Conrad, Omar Infante, and Melky Cabrera.

    Comment by Anon21 — November 1, 2010 @ 11:20 pm

  24. As a Giants fan, I can’t help but agree. Sabean got lucky. I don’t expect anything close to this next year. But for now. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    Comment by Ken — November 1, 2010 @ 11:24 pm

  25. Congrats Giants! All those pitchings are amazing.

    Comment by MadMonk — November 1, 2010 @ 11:24 pm

  26. Brian Wilson had a collective WPA of 1.29 this postseason. 11.2 IP, 0.00 ERA, 16 K, 0.772 WHIP. Pretty dang impressive.

    Comment by Patrick — November 1, 2010 @ 11:31 pm

  27. Check the hair gel or product the Giants’ pitchers were using in the playoffs for their amazing pitching success. What did you really think those crazy beards by Wilson and Romo were all about? I am not joking, you can easily see the discoloration against their naturally brown hair in close-ups on HD. Still, I would rather see them win it than a lot of other teams. They have many likable players and congratulations.

    Comment by Phantom Stranger — November 1, 2010 @ 11:45 pm

  28. Time to sell high on Huff and Ross, I think you meant to say.

    I’m a 39yo Giants fan, extremely happy. The city earned it, for years of hard fandom.

    Comment by Zack — November 1, 2010 @ 11:48 pm

  29. I meant being underdogs to win it all, not against the Braves.

    Comment by Kevin Yost — November 1, 2010 @ 11:49 pm

  30. Shoe polish, amirite?

    Comment by Paul Thomas — November 1, 2010 @ 11:49 pm

  31. Technically, Huff just became a free agent an hour ago, so they can’t “sell” him for anything…

    Comment by Paul Thomas — November 1, 2010 @ 11:50 pm

  32. I listened to my first Giants game on the radio in 1965. I’ve been waiting 45 years for tonight. How sweet it is! Oh, it’s all about the pitching! Never, ever forget that!

    Comment by DrBGiantsfan — November 1, 2010 @ 11:57 pm

  33. Confused. Is “2.31 runs per nine innings” different than 2.31 runs per game?

    I guess in some road games, the Giants only pitch 8 innings.

    Comment by JP — November 2, 2010 @ 12:21 am

  34. also, there is the extra innings factor.

    Comment by Kevin Yost — November 2, 2010 @ 12:33 am

  35. I hated seeing my lil’ Rangers lose but I cannot hate this Giants team. They just have too many good guys who all seem to bust their butts for one another. They deserved to win.

    Comment by RevAIDGnarl — November 2, 2010 @ 12:52 am

  36. I actually think that’s Ryan Zimmerman.

    Comment by theonemephisto — November 2, 2010 @ 1:07 am

  37. Sabean did not sign Zito. That signing was orchestrated by Peter McGowan, who has subsequently “stepped down” (re: forced out) as managing partner of the ownership group. I guarantee you that the Zito contract, more so than anything to do with Barry Bonds, is the reason Bill Nuekom is the face of the owners right now and not Peter McGowan.

    Comment by Kyle — November 2, 2010 @ 1:11 am

  38. My thoughts when they beat the Braves in 4 one-run games. Congrats to the Giants.

    re Sabean: lucky strikes with Huff, Torres, Burrell, and Uribe do not a good GM make.

    Comment by Tim — November 2, 2010 @ 1:21 am

  39. Apart from that which was being spewed on FOX.

    Comment by Breadbaker — November 2, 2010 @ 1:22 am

  40. I suppose Sabean got lucky drafting Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey and Brian Wilson too?

    Comment by DrBGiantsfan — November 2, 2010 @ 1:30 am

  41. They will off arbitration to Huff and Uribe, for the draft picks if nothing else (both should be Type B guys).

    Renteria will be bought out (the choice is 500k or 11m; they’ll choose 500k), and replaced by Fontenot and/or prospect who has hot spring.

    Burrell will be offered a one year deal (possible second year club option), probably for around 2m and incentives. Whether he takes it or not, who knows. If he wants to be, he can be a Giant for life (coach, etc); and I say that because of how often guys have mentioned him as being a leader this season.

    As for Crawford and/or Werth, I’d love to see Carl Crawford take on triples alley…but Nuekom has hinted that the club won’t be offering 3+ year deals, so top flight free agents are unlikely. Sabean is going to have a hell of a time shuffling the chairs this offseason and next, with Lincecum due for another arb hearing after 2011 (what if he wins the Cy Young next year?), Cain up after 2012, and the albatross contracts of Zito and Rowand till 2013.

    Comment by Kyle — November 2, 2010 @ 1:34 am

  42. Ah. Well that’s certainly true. And basically no one picked them to win the NLCS or the World Series. Really a great run.

    Comment by Anon21 — November 2, 2010 @ 1:46 am

  43. Well, a GM can be good at drafting but bad at transactions, and still wind up as a net drag on his club’s fortunes. I’m not say that Sabean is (I have no idea if he is), but I think pointing to his savvy draft picks doesn’t do all the work here.

    Comment by Anon21 — November 2, 2010 @ 1:48 am

  44. I go back as far as sitting in the cheap seats with my little league team chanting “we want a homer” and stomping on the concrete when Willie Mays was up, so this is pretty big day for me. My mother still has the kodak instamatics I took in 64 of McCovey, Marichal and Mays on picture day. I took my wife on one of our first dates to see John Montefusco in 78 in McCovey’s last or next to the last season.

    Damn this is sweet.

    Comment by Kazinski — November 2, 2010 @ 1:55 am

  45. So he is only good at evaluating pitching and catching prospects, that puts him in the 90th percentile for GM’s. Yeah you can ding him for Rowand and Zito, but he put together the best all homegrown pitching staff I have ever seen, and that is why they won.

    Comment by Kazinski — November 2, 2010 @ 1:58 am

  46. Is Renteria done or can he help as a utility 2b, ss, 3b type in 2011 for somebody other than SanFran?

    Comment by algionfriddo — November 2, 2010 @ 2:26 am

  47. Sabean deserves .005% of the credit for picking up the phone and saying Tim Lincecum’s name on draft day. The other 99.995% goes to Bill Bavasi and Co. for passing him up.

    Comment by Choo — November 2, 2010 @ 2:30 am

  48. the discussion above about Fontenot etc and shortstop – isn’t that Mark DeRosa’s position? Another big contract, right?

    Comment by Daniel — November 2, 2010 @ 2:33 am

  49. Not “big” per se, but ill-advised all the same.

    Comment by Paul R. — November 2, 2010 @ 3:07 am

  50. Meh, it wasn’t bad at the time. 12M/2yr for a 2-3 WAR player? Sure. Then, well, turned out he was missing a tendon in his wrist.

    Comment by Viliphied — November 2, 2010 @ 5:09 am

  51. best story ever, mr. cameron.

    Comment by richard — November 2, 2010 @ 7:26 am

  52. The question, I think, is “does he want to play that role?”. I’m not sure he does.

    Comment by chuckb — November 2, 2010 @ 8:11 am

  53. Viliphied — everyone knew his wrist was bad at the time. He was horrid b/c of it after being acquired by the Cards. Pretty much everyone knew that Sabean spent $12 M on a 0 WAR player, not a 2-3 WAR player.

    Comment by chuckb — November 2, 2010 @ 8:13 am

  54. 9 other teams passed on him as well.

    Considering only 2 of the guys picked above him have turned out to be stars, that’s 7 teams to blame.

    Comment by BX — November 2, 2010 @ 8:18 am

  55. “I married into Giants fandom in ’05 (and a share of season tickets) and have struggled through a lot of pretty-good teams.”

    …that’s five whole years of suffering. My heart truly goes out to you.

    Comment by Jonathan — November 2, 2010 @ 8:27 am

  56. He’s definitely going to receive offers after the World Series he had.

    Whether he accepts them, and whether he deserves them, those are other questions for another day.

    Comment by Andross — November 2, 2010 @ 8:27 am

  57. Ahem. I picked them to win it all before the NLCS, and am being paid handsomely for it.

    Comment by this guy — November 2, 2010 @ 8:40 am

  58. Cameron’s entry is the article equivalent of a “first post” cpomment

    Comment by — November 2, 2010 @ 9:20 am

  59. Yea, there’s Zimmerman, Votto, Tulowitzki, Weeks, McCann, Bruce… all of which had more WAR this year and are less recognized.

    Comment by Temo — November 2, 2010 @ 9:49 am

  60. WOO! HOO!

    Comment by Bigmouth — November 2, 2010 @ 11:18 am

  61. Just like that dirt on Cliff Lee’s cap?

    Comment by Bigmouth — November 2, 2010 @ 11:22 am

  62. Yet I am still the best.

    Comment by Chase Utley — November 2, 2010 @ 11:55 am

  63. By “a lot of pretty-good teams” did you mean 1? Because ’05 – ’08 they were pretty-terrible, struggling to win more than 70 games.

    Comment by Matt — November 2, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

  64. Rowand’s contract is up after the 2012 season not 2013. He’s owed $24M over the next 2 seasons, with no buyout. I think that he’ll be traded sometime between now and the end of the 2011 season. The Giants will have to pony up at least 50% of what’s left on his salary (and expect only a D-level prospect in return) to get another team to take him. The other possibility is to trade him for another major-leaguer with a similar untradeable contract.

    Uribe and Huff are both officially “type B” – and will be tendered if they don’t agree on a new contract before the tender date. I don’t see either of them gettting more than a 2 year deal (even from Sabes), so it will be up to them if they want to give up extra $$$ and years to stay with the Giants. I don’t see Burrell leaving the Giants unless Sabes just totally refuses to offer him a halfway decent incentive-laden contract.

    The Giants have no money to go after any big name FA, so put the Crawfords and Werths of the world out of your mind.

    The key thing the Giants need to nail down in the offseason is what to do at SS, figuring out what to do with Panda and DeRosa (still under contract for 2011), and deciding what to do with Cody Ross.

    Comment by darryl0 — November 2, 2010 @ 12:49 pm

  65. This is why I’ve spent thirty-five years watch baseball!!!!!!!!! Torture is over!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by WillieMaysField — November 3, 2010 @ 2:13 am

  66. “The Giants will have to pony up at least 50% of what’s left [to Rowand]”

    Likely much more than that. He’s nearly untradeable unless you give him away. Some team may pay $2M per year for his services at this point.

    Comment by Jason B — November 3, 2010 @ 10:51 am

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