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  1. Obviously they’re going to try their best to sign Lee, but their best plan of attack regardless should be to spend that extra money not on a guy like VMart, but to sign their guys up to long term, team friendly contracts before they reach FA. Look at what the Red Sox have in Pedroia and Lester each making roughly 7 million per year (including their more expensive and distant club options), Youkilis making well below market value, etc.

    They should figure out who they’re willing to bet on and make fair long term offers to those guys. Having 40 million to spend in 2011 doesn’t mean spending it all now.

    (Also, if they can’t get Lee, they should use their farm/youth resources to trade for Greinke and consider using that Lee money for Crawford).

    Comment by Nick V — November 12, 2010 @ 1:23 pm

  2. I liked this post right up until you mentioned signing Crawford. Trading for Greinke I wholeheartedly agree with. They have the young talent to make a deal work but I fear the Royals will want too much in return.

    Comment by Schu — November 12, 2010 @ 1:45 pm

  3. Lewis has a 2012 club option.

    Comment by Rodney — November 12, 2010 @ 1:49 pm

  4. Is anyone going to NOT like the part where he suggests locking up his players to team-friendly contracts?

    Comment by Holier — November 12, 2010 @ 2:02 pm

  5. $15 million in arbitration awards for Josh Hamilton, CJ Wilson, Nelson Cruz, Nippert, Murphy, O’Day and Lowe is likely to be a very low estimate.

    Comment by Mike Green — November 12, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

  6. a cheap one at that. I suspect that if Lewis has another great year they tear up that option and sign him to another 3 year deal for more.

    Comment by t ball — November 12, 2010 @ 2:24 pm

  7. I’m a lot less certain that Martinez will be worth the money at the end of his contract than I am for Lee — and I’m not convinced Lee will be worth his contract in the last two years either.

    I’d sign Lee, then sign Olivo or Torrealba and save the additional money for arbs, extensions, and midseason payroll room in 2011.

    Comment by t ball — November 12, 2010 @ 2:26 pm

  8. Must mean it’s a better idea than overspending on a 32 year old non-catcher.

    Comment by Nick V — November 12, 2010 @ 2:44 pm

  9. Considering Hamilton and Nelly Cruz themselves can probably get 10 million each, yeah.

    Comment by Tom Zig — November 12, 2010 @ 3:02 pm

  10. Is there no chance they sign Adrian Beltre and move Young to DH?

    Comment by Adam D — November 12, 2010 @ 3:09 pm

  11. as a plus to this idea, MY would make an adequate utility infielder for the days other guys need a rest, considering he has played all those positions in the past.

    Comment by Adam D — November 12, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

  12. Only if you want to waste the DH slot. Young is not a good hitter. I think we’ve pretended that we don’t seee the home/road splits long enough.

    Now we’re pretending we don’t see Hamilton’s home/road splits, and pretending that he was the MVP this year. I can accept overrating 1 Ranger. To pretend that Young is a viable DH is too much for me to pretend.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:15 pm

  13. Like remember when we were calling Matt Holliday the best hitter in baseball when he was with Colorado?

    For some reason, extreme stupid is readily allowed in baseball, and even encouraged. It’s quite remarkable actually. The stupid went as far as to effect even Las vegas.

    Even Vegas favored the Rangers as some juggernaut offense, when in reality, they had ONE significantly above average hitter on the whole team. VEGAS even pretended not to see the home/road splits.

    ““Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.” Albert Einstein

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:19 pm

  14. Oh wise one. Which player would win your MVP vote?

    Comment by Jono — November 12, 2010 @ 3:19 pm

  15. Cruz will absolutely not get $10m in his first year of arb.

    That said, I’d think those 6 players in arb will probably earn somewhere around $26m combined.

    Comment by Jim Lahey — November 12, 2010 @ 3:25 pm

  16. wow. the Einstein quote sure is the icing on top.

    Comment by Scout Finch — November 12, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

  17. I don’t have to pretend Hamilton was the MVP. The only AL player within 1 WAR of him was Beltre, and Hamilton’s road wOBA was only 6 points lower than Beltre’s overall wOBA. They’re extreme splits, but even his bad one is pretty outstanding.

    Comment by ACWNS09 — November 12, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

  18. Seriously. I laughed at that. Call it 25 easy.

    Comment by Telo — November 12, 2010 @ 3:30 pm

  19. Cabrera and Cano each outperformed Hamilton.

    Hamilton is a good player. A .900 OPS CF is valuable, but Miggy was more dominant in a tougher park. Miguel Cabrera was overwhelmingly the best hitter in the AL this season. The difference far outwieghs any defensive value in playing CF vs 1B.

    Offense >>>> Defense, and Cabrera’s season was ridiculous by historic standards.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:30 pm

  20. The splits speak for themselves. It’s such a simple observation, even you could make sense of it.

    Young is a SUB-700 OPS hitter away from Texas, and you want to DH him? He’s basically Jeff Franceour.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:33 pm

  21. Those are as far out on the defensive spectrum as you’re going to get (aside from catcher). That kind of offense from a premium defensive position (combined with good defense) > Cabrera’s offense from 1st base (combined with slightly below average defense).

    Once again, Hamilton’s road wOBA was only 5 points lower than Cano’s overall wOBA.

    Comment by ACWNS09 — November 12, 2010 @ 3:36 pm

  22. Wow, Josh Hamilton only hit .327/.382/.512 on the road!! what a bum!!!!

    Hamilton’s road OPS would be good for 8th in the AL.

    and that’s IGNORING the Bonds-ian beat down he put on the league at home.

    the gap between how much you actually know and how much you think you know is simply staggering.

    Comment by Steve — November 12, 2010 @ 3:38 pm

  23. You people WAY overrate defense. Defense is an afterthought compared to offense. Hamilton is not anywhere near a Cabrera caliber hitter. I really don’t want to discuss with you given what you’ve said on the topic so far. I need to concede the last word to you and leave you with your deficiencies.

    Hamilton would need to be Ozzie Smith to make up for over 100 points in OPS, which is the REAL difference between Cabrera and Hamilton.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:39 pm

  24. Like remember when we were calling Matt Holliday the best hitter in baseball when he was with Colorado?

    No. Does anyone here rememeber ANYONE saying anything remotely close to this? Of course not. Because no one has ever called Matt Holliday the best hitter in baseball.

    If you can produce a single quote to this effect, I will eat my shoe.

    your schtick is beyond tiresome.

    Comment by Steve — November 12, 2010 @ 3:40 pm

  25. @Steve

    The 8th best OPS would group him with about 10 other players from all different positions, none of which are mentioned as favorites to win the MVP.

    Something this fucking simple is only staggering when your intellectual scope is that of a raisin.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:42 pm

  26. I’ll leave your answer as the last part of the argument. It’s only right.

    Comment by ACWNS09 — November 12, 2010 @ 3:44 pm

  27. It was written all over the internet, particularly amongst the saber community.

    The points you choose to “debate” and your tone are reflective of your limited capacity. Go away. I don’t want to be accused of picking on a child.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:44 pm

  28. 100 points in OPS is the difference between 4 years for 50 million and 7 years for 200 million. 100 points in OPS is a HUGE difference.

    Look up the non-home-park-inflated names you see at 700, 800, 900 and 1000 OPS. Massive difference.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:47 pm

  29. Intelligent people use numbers to figure out what happened.

    Stupid people use numbers to justify what their barbaric impulses have already lead them to believe.

    Most of you throw out terms like “WOBA” and “UZR” as if you were the former, but when engaged in debate, it becomes extremely clear that you are of the latter group.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:50 pm

  30. Actually, I take back the Franceour comparison for Young. Franceour actually has a better arm and more speed.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 3:53 pm

  31. The Rangers’ ownership needs to decide whether they want to stay on-course and build a better team through smart moves that went under the radar (Colby Lewis) while retaining their young stars (Andrus) or buy-in to the big market mentality of buying hired guns (Lee). I don’t think you spend $30M per on any pitcher unless you’re NY or Boston. Lee, while being a top 5 pitcher, isn’t worth the cost Texas would pay when those millions could be better utilized in other areas. A $90M payroll with a third going to ONE player? No.

    Comment by DIVISION — November 12, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

  32. Pulled statistics from Statcorner, wOBA adjusted for park effects:

    MC – .427
    JH – .443
    RC – .386

    Comment by Phil — November 12, 2010 @ 3:59 pm

  33. This.

    The Kenny Williams raping set them back huge (imagine Danks in that rotation right now). Beane owes K-Dub a few rounds.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

  34. Let’s pretend we have brains for one second.

    Hamilton finished with an OPS of .002 higher than Cabrera, while heavily weighting his production in a launching pad. Meanwhile, if you have ever watched a single game in Detroit, or have been a fan of the game for more than a few months, you would know that Detroit is an extreme pitcher’s park.

    Does that adjustment look like it was done properly? Probably not.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:03 pm

  35. DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS!

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:10 pm

  36. if it was written all over the internet, you should easily be able to produce a quote.

    hilarious that you are criticizing someone else’s “tone”. you are easily the most obnoxious troll on this site. which is too bad, b/c sometimes you actually have a cogent point or two. but it’s usually lost in the sea of garbage that is the rest of your posts.

    so let’s see it. produce a quote calling Matt Holliday the “best hitter in baseball”. i’ll wait.

    Comment by Steve — November 12, 2010 @ 4:14 pm

  37. With all the topics we touched upon, you want to wait for me to dig up an article from over 2 years ago.

    Look, it’s obvious you just started following baseball. Most of us have been fans for longer than you. When faced with historical references you are not familiar with, it’s upon you to do the research.

    Google “Research Wikipedia”. Us older folks used to do this all the time, back when attention spans were longer than 4 minutes.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:18 pm

  38. translation: i’m full of shit.

    ok, got it.

    Comment by Steve — November 12, 2010 @ 4:19 pm

  39. I’m going to guess this is “Steve”. It’s even in his handwriting.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:20 pm

  40. See, this is actually a good point.

    If you could stick to making your point without calling everyone else a mouth-breathing idiot, your arguments might be taken a little more seriously.

    Comment by Steve — November 12, 2010 @ 4:23 pm

  41. I did not post that. Just b/c I am arguing with you, does not mean I resorted to that type of thing.

    Feel free to ask an admin of the site to check IP addresses. I did not post that.

    Comment by Steve — November 12, 2010 @ 4:24 pm

  42. ur views intrigue me & i would like 2 subscribe to ur newsletter.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:25 pm

  43. Let’s not act like any bark in baseball is at the level of Coors in terms of being a hitter’s park. Rangers Ballpark in Arlington was not in the top 5 in 2010. One significantly above average hitter? What are you smoking? Are you really using home/road splits as justification for this? MOST players hit better at home, not just hitters who play in hitter’s parks.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 4:27 pm

  44. “MOST players hit better at home, not just hitters who play in hitter’s parks.”

    Not by over 100 points in OPS. Many hit better on the road too. Are you really going to deny that Texas is a launching pad? Are you on Hamilton’s dick THAT hard???

    I wish my brain would give in to my barbaric impulses that easily.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:31 pm

  45. Not really that good of a point. Comerica is middle-of-the pack. By no means “extreme pitcher’s park.”

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 4:31 pm

  46. Well, at least the behavior is consistent with what most intelligent people (Noam Chomsky, Albert Einstein and more recently, Barack Obama, Mike Bloomberg) think of Americans.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq6lFOhLJ0c

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:33 pm

  47. Try watching some baseball. It’s pretty interesting.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:34 pm

  48. I’m not going to say it’s not a hitter’s park, but it’s not as much of one as you’re implying, and you’re not taking into account any other factors in terms of home/road splits. The parks aren’t the only thing that’s changing.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 4:35 pm

  49. You sound like a politician using rhetoric rather than statistics. Magnitude of an effect is equally as important as direction. Also, we are on fangraphs; there are better metrics to use than OPS to measure batter performance. I’d like to think we can use facts rather than inflammatory fluff to argue. Also, very classy of you to engage in personal attacks; it makes your arguments that more convincing.

    Since you are incapable of backing up your arguments with any numbers, here are some park factors for the past 5 years, starting in 2010 go backing with their ranking from ESPN.

    Tex: 1.091 (6), 1.085 (7), 1.142 (1), .979 (18), 1.081 (5)
    5yr ave: 1.0756
    Det: .981 (17), 1.026 (13), 1.077 (5t), 1.051 (12), .980 (18)
    5yr ave: 1.023

    If not being in the bottom 3rd is an extreme pitcher’s park then I really feel bad for the Rays in their hitter’s dungeon. I would say Texas is a hitter friendly environment while Comerica is more neutral.

    Comment by Phil — November 12, 2010 @ 4:36 pm

  50. Judging by how naive so many of you are, it would actually be more surprising if the rich DIDN’T rob us blind.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:36 pm

  51. “Try watching some baseball. It’s pretty interesting.”

    Good one. How about some facts? I have them. Comerica was 17th in park factor in 2010. MIDDLE OF THE PACK. Dumbass.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

  52. Thank you Phil.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 4:38 pm

  53. Have you watched the Rangers? BPiA is less of a launching pad than people think. It probably favors LHBs, though. Detroit is closer to neutral than an “extreme” pitcher’s park.

    Whether you think Cabrera’s true hitting talent is greater than Hamilton’s or not (as a Rangers fan, I admit it most likely is), Hamilton hit better THIS YEAR.

    Also, of course Hamilton’s road numbers are going to be low. Look at the rest of his division. It’s all defense/pitching. Seattle and Oakland are both extreme pitcher’s park. You have to look at more than BPiA being a launching pad and Hamilton sucks on the road.

    Comment by ACWNS09 — November 12, 2010 @ 4:40 pm

  54. @Phil

    And you would be underestimating the effect of each park. There are far more important numbers than ballpark effects that are generated by far more intelligent people that are completely irrelevant and inaccurate.

    The problem with you people is that you aren’t actually fans of the game. You clearly don’t watch any fucking baseball. You are here because this is the only forum where you feel comfortable enough to pretend to be an expert.

    Rangers Park Dimensions – http://www.rangerfans.com/images/ballpark/ballparklayout2.gif

    Comerica Dimensions – http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.baseballfielddimensions.net/wp-content/uploads/comerica-park-dimensions.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.baseballfielddimensions.net/al-stadium-dimensions/comerica-park-dimensions/&usg=__FVSjX7OtlpIdxCd4ruJ6E2_W8KE=&h=365&w=370&sz=8&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=0n1NvJhpsJa2PM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcomerica%2Bdimensions%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26rlz%3D1I7ADSA_en%26biw%3D879%26bih%3D478%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=235&ei=87TdTPv5GIWglAen2MWYDQ&oei=0bTdTIPtOIKglAersYCSDQ&esq=12&page=1&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=78&ty=38

    The distance to the left centerfield alley is roughly 440, with huge walls.

    Climate in Texas is dry and warm, compared to Detroit which is well, Detroit. There is a well known jet stream blowing out to right center to right field in Texas. Detroit boats a MASSIVE wall in centerfield that could be called the “Green Monster 2″.

    I swear if someone posted an article saying you had 2 heads, most of you would toss your whole wardrobe in the garbage immediately.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:46 pm

  55. “Stupid people use numbers to justify what their barbaric impulses have already lead them to believe.”

    Says who, you? Stop making general statements that aren’t even true as a way to try to tell people they’re wrong. Your opinions are backed up with nothing. You are a fool.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 4:48 pm

  56. Right, so a park with a CF that is over 20 feet shorter to CF, and roughly 30 feet shorter in the power alleys, which was built in a dry state like Texas, which has historically known as a hitter’s park, suddenly switched and became closer to Detroit.

    Go back to sleep monkeys. I’m sorry to have disturbed you.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:50 pm

  57. Is this guy kidding? Use the eyeball test? NO ONE watches enough baseball to get a large enough sample doing this. Even if you watch every game of your own team, you’re not getting enough of the other parks. You’re basically saying.. “LOOK HOW FAR THE FENCES ARE!!!!!11.” Seriously? That’s your argument?

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

  58. @ACWNS09

    You know where else are pitcher’s parks? Detroit, Cleveland, Minnesota and Kansas City. The pitching in the AL Central is every bit as tough as that of the AL West.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:54 pm

  59. @ Nick T

    Texas has been a known launching pad to baseball fans all over for fucking years. Look at home road splits of Texas hitters for the past 20 fucking years. You monkeys pull out statistical subsets and ignore physics and subsets that mildly support a broad point your monkey impulses are driving you to believe.

    It’s fucking blatantly obvious. The guy has an OPS that is over ONE HUNDRED points higher at home than on the road. Miguel Cabrera was equaly DOMINANT everywhere, and your argument is that the difference isnt as large as I make it sound????

    You people make me disgusted to be a part of this species.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

  60. Kansas City? Sigh. “This guy” cannot be helped. He is in his own world where no stats exist on these things. KC was not in the top 50% of pitcher’s parks.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

  61. @ Nick T

    Look at the home road splits of the whole freaking team. Michael Young’s OPS jumps nearly 200 fucking points. Vlad, over 100 points. Nelson Cruz, 200 fucking points. Ian Kinsler, 170 fucking points.

    This whole site is a fucking joke. All of you that think you have a clue about this game are a fucking joke.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

  62. Let me guess, they’re pitcher’s parks because you say so. Oakland is the one of the most pitcher friendly parks in the AL. They also have a strong pitching staff and defense. Seattle is just as extreme as a pitcher’s park and boasted what was probably the best defensive outfield in the majors. I don’t think LA is as pitcher-friendly as the others, but it’s still a pitcher’s park. They also had Jered Weaver, Dan Haren and Ervin Santana.

    Run prevention was significantly better in the West than the Central. Anybody who disagrees doesn’t watch baseball and isn’t a fan of the game.

    Comment by ACWNS09 — November 12, 2010 @ 5:03 pm

  63. @ Nick

    You, nor anyone that has anything to do with this web page knows jack shit about this game.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 5:03 pm

  64. “You, nor anyone that has anything to do with this web page knows jack shit about this game.”

    You keep saying stuff like this, and not much else. Half the crap you say to try and back up your points isn’t even correct. You’re a fucking moron.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

  65. Ignoring your blatant bias in evaluating parks, Hamilton had a total of 48 fucking at bats in Oakland and Seattle, compared to 20 for Miguel Cabrera.

    Your offsetting playing half your season in a hitter’s park vs a pitcher’s park, with 28 fucking at bats in Oakland and Seattle.

    Even if you did know anything about this sport, you would be too fucking stupid to make any sense of it.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

  66. I still think the best thing for the Rangers would be to trade for Grienke. Cliff Lee is on the wrong side of 30 to be giving him a contract more than 3-4 years because there is no guarantee that he will age as well as someone like Pettitte.

    Trade for Grienke and Sign V-Mart then they have done the same aount of upgrading while staying younger. Not to mention they could have money for a mid-season acquisition or even bring Vlad back or another DH into the fold. That move also helps them for the future that as that scenario probably bumps their payroll about 25mil and they have room down the road to keep their young players that are going through the arbitration process.

    Although as a Braves fan we wouldn’t mind taking one of those “expensive” outfielders off your hands. Hamilton or Cruz would be great for us lol

    Comment by drumzalicious — November 12, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

  67. Ignore your bias in evaluating parks. I have facts to back mine up. You have your words that are spoken out of ignorance. It’s OK. Sometimes the truth is scary, especially when it so clearly contradicts things you hold so close to your heart.

    Comment by ACWNS09 — November 12, 2010 @ 5:09 pm

  68. My bad. I thought you knew how to read.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

  69. Park dimensions are only one aspect that goes into park effects. If you want to be more accurate, then you should look up which of Hamilton’s HRrs wouldn’t have couldn’t in Det and visa versa. Then repeat for 2B and 3B to see if any would become Hrs. I’m sure there is some data regarding that somewhere.

    Of course not all statistical analysis is accurate and perfect, but if you know how they might be biased, you can adjust and refine them Isn’t that part of the point of this website: better objective analysis. It is quite apparent that you don’t trust for numerical analysis or its improvement and trust your eyes more than what happened, thus there is no point in further discussion as it will lead no where.

    From your other posts, it appears you are incapable of posting without any derogatory comments towards the website or its users. Your posting here is a mystery then.

    Thank you for more personal attacks. Stay classy.

    Comment by Phil — November 12, 2010 @ 5:12 pm

  70. @ACWNS09

    Nice job ignoring pretty much everything I said. So some elementary school level adjustment to stats generated over the course of 80 games, which defies physics and decades of empirical evidence says that I overestimated the DEGREE by which Miguel Cabrera OUTPERFORMED Hamilton, (which we all seem to agree upon) and you think you have a point?

    This is not to mention the fact that you hung your hat on 28 fucking at bats in Oakland and Seattle over the course of an entire season.

    Do you really think you won this debate? Honestly? If so, than you are both stupid and in denial.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 5:14 pm

  71. Assuming you could correctly look up those numbers (fingers crossed), that is ten percent of road at bats. When you’re talking about a sample size of less than 300 ABs, 28 is actually quite significant.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 5:16 pm

  72. Thanks for being a fag Phil. I’m sorry to have stated the truth. I know that annoys you sabers when someone states the truth about the consensus mancrush of the month.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 5:16 pm

  73. Ok Nick. Then how much of an impact does 50% of a player’s at bats have?

    Your whole fragile “argument” just got destroyed.

    Comment by this guy — November 12, 2010 @ 5:18 pm

  74. That 50% is fine. The other 50% is amazing. And you are still an idiot.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 5:21 pm

  75. Thank you for making my point.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 5:23 pm

  76. I didn’t hang my hat on. Good reading comprehension. I already brought up the other parts of the argument, so maybe it’s your memory instead. I also brought up run prevention in general.
    Oakland – 3.86 R/G
    Seattle – 4.31
    Los Angeles – 4.33

    Minnesota – 4.14
    Chicago – 4.35
    Cleveland – 4.64
    Kansas City – 5.22

    You’ve done nothing to dispute any of the park factors other than the Jeter-defender-esque response of “watch baseball”, either.

    Comment by ACWNS09 — November 12, 2010 @ 5:24 pm

  77. You go after Greinke if he’ll come reasonable long-term and the trade makes sense. The only distinction being that he’s younger than Lee and thus more valuable. Also, we don’t know if Greinke wants to play in Texas.

    Dump Vlad and upgrade with Matsui.

    The best Texas can hope for is the improvement of their young position players with a young Greinke anchoring the staff………praying Michael Young’s range at third doesn’t fall off the table.

    Comment by DIVISION — November 12, 2010 @ 5:25 pm

  78. Look a little deeper. The Rangers play over a third of their road games in the top-third of pitcher’s parks. Some of the disparity is Rangers Ballpark being a hitter’s park. But a lot of it, too, is where they’re playing their road games.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 5:39 pm

  79. Looks like I left out the word “well.” It should read: The Rangers play well over a third of their road games in the top-third of pitcher’s parks. As it reads now, it would stand to reason, though it’s not true of all teams, of course.

    Comment by Nick T — November 12, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

  80. ***““Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.” Albert Einstein***

    and you are the proof, ‘this guy’

    Comment by cs3 — November 12, 2010 @ 6:18 pm

  81. @this guy

    For a guy who wants to leave us to our defiencies, you won’t be quiet. I’m not sure you want us to have the last word, nor do you have any desire to spend time with human life and communicate on any level. Give peace a chance, man.

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — November 12, 2010 @ 7:46 pm

  82. First I’m going to make it,
    Then I’m going to break it till it falls apart.

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — November 12, 2010 @ 7:50 pm

  83. Man, I used to enjoy reading the comments here.

    Comment by Ryan L — November 12, 2010 @ 8:19 pm

  84. is there any way to “report” a commenter? in the mlb team websites, when one posts on an article, one can report someone for disrespectful, rude, vulgar, etc comments. if there is not a way to do this on fangraphs, there should be. and if there is, can someone please tell me so that i can report “this guy”? if nothing else, the amount of times he has used the word “f*ck” is unacceptable, not to mention the blatant personal attacks on multiple other commenters. while his faulty logic is staggering, he is entitled to his own beliefs and arguments, whether or not he can produce relevant, objective, statistical or even verifiable anecdotal evidence. but the personal attacks and vulgarity is simply unacceptable in a forum dedicated to insightful and intelligent research, analysis, and discussion.

    Comment by phoenix — November 12, 2010 @ 8:31 pm

  85. can we ban this stupid fuck?

    Comment by ban this guy — November 13, 2010 @ 8:00 am

  86. Why haven’t you people banned “this guy”s IP address yet? I saw not one fact besides OPS (lol). The rest of the shit spewing out of his mouth is derogatory and defacing comments. Seeing that this website puts up with this really makes me think of going somewhere else. Let’s not turn fangraphs into gamefaqs.com.

    Comment by John — November 13, 2010 @ 9:07 am

  87. I want to get one thing straight though. What we learned from this guy is that the Rangers are historically the worst team to play the game, and all of their hitters are AA at best. Good going.

    Comment by John — November 13, 2010 @ 9:10 am

  88. Seriously, the comments by “this guy” make this site worse to read. The arrogance would be bad on it’s own, but the slurs/attacks are just awful. I really can’t see any defense to keeping his comments on the site.

    Comment by todmod — November 13, 2010 @ 1:08 pm

  89. In ancient Sparta, important matters were decided by who was the most relentless dickhead. Fortunately we are not in ancient Sparta.

    Comment by Guy — November 13, 2010 @ 8:13 pm

  90. http://bookreviewsbybobbie.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/do-not-feed-the-trolls.jpg

    Comment by Marshall — November 13, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

  91. If nothing else, I’m getting a laugh out your comment that Texas is a “dry state”. Have you ever experienced the humidity in Dallas during summer?

    Comment by Tbone — November 14, 2010 @ 5:13 am

  92. “this guy”: please feel free to fall in a ditch.

    That is all.

    Comment by Ricky — November 14, 2010 @ 12:27 pm

  93. “This whole site is a fucking joke. All of you that think you have a clue about this game are a fucking joke.”

    And yet, you still come back. Again…and again…and again…and again. Having your hand forced to come here and actually try and communicate with these dolts who are clearly so far beneath you on the evolutionary scale SUCKS. I feel for you brother.

    Comment by Jason B — November 15, 2010 @ 11:02 am

  94. I really put those sheeple in their place!! *Giggle snort*

    *Glances around for my cat to explain to her in painstaking detail how I put those SABR nerds in their place again*

    *Cat can’t take anymore…dives into toilet bowl, pawing feebly at the handle to flush herself into oblivion and a better life in the pipes with the alligators and the CHUDs*

    “Mr Flopsy? Come back!!! Stupid cat. Now where are my Cool Ranch Doritos?!? Ooooh FAMILY SIZE! Gonna need the sweatpants with the reinforced elastic waistband tonight!!”

    Comment by this guy — November 15, 2010 @ 11:07 am

  95. This Guy:

    It’s time to do some statistical work and compare the “inflated” Texas hitter’s home/road splits as compared to the Home/Road splits of all the other teams.

    Just throwing out statement after statement based on minimal information, generally just your opinion, is not discussion. It’s you talking. Most of the stuff you say I think “how does he know that?”, and the answer to that question is “He doesn’t”.

    I’m not going to jump on the troll bandwagon or anything like that, but for someone that talks so much, I figured you want to be more informed or have more evidence.

    I assume i am wasting my time with the suggestion, but I figured I’d give you the benefit of the doubt and that you’d like to demonstrate that you are right, instead of assume so.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — November 15, 2010 @ 11:42 am

  96. Not only did This guy grow up loving to pull the legs off of insects, he still does it.

    Comment by AdamM — November 15, 2010 @ 5:08 pm

  97. According to a study in the Drug and Alcohol Dependence journal this year, there are about six times as many alcohol-related arrests in Gainesville on game days when Florida’s football team is at home as there are on Saturdays when there’s not a game

    Comment by canl? maç izle — November 15, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

  98. According to a study in the Drug and Alcohol Dependence journal this year, there are about six times as many alcohol-related arrests in Gainesville on game days when Florida’s football team is at home as there are on Saturdays when there’s not a game

    Comment by canli maç izle — November 15, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

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