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  1. I take it you’re not from the East Coast… it’s just 95 here :)

    Comment by Joltin' Joe — November 16, 2010 @ 6:28 pm

  2. 3/18 for John frickin Buck

    2 relievers for Cameron Maybin

    A utility player and a LOOGY for Dan Uggla


    Comment by Renegade — November 16, 2010 @ 6:28 pm

  3. I don’t get it. Atlanta is nowhere near the 95.

    Comment by Justa Name — November 16, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

  4. this makes me laugh. Just got a chat from a friend making fun of me for this, too…. and I’ve only been back in California for four months! Used to live all over the East Coast – twice as long as I’ve lived in California – but for some reason like that ‘the.’

    Comment by Eno Sarris — November 16, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

  5. And it goes nowhere near Atlanta. I-75 is the one he hopped up.

    Comment by Kevin S. — November 16, 2010 @ 6:35 pm

  6. man. 10 years growing up in Atlanta and I’ve forgotten all my highways down there.

    thanks guys.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — November 16, 2010 @ 6:36 pm

  7. I guess that the Marlin front office is making a bet that Dominguez really can be the third baseman of the future. With Infante as a stopgap at third for a year, Coghlan should shift back to his natural position at second. The front office had reservations about starting Coghlan at third, a position he didn’t really succeed in given limited minor league time. Maybe after starting for a year, Infante can muster a Type B status and still net a draft pick. Anyway, it would have been hard to find someone competent at third next year without a trade or a long term commitment.

    Just miserable to watch though, as a Marlins fan. Maybe it’s the right decision, but usually when I feel this terrible, I can console myself with the upside of a shiny prospect. Now, I have to hope for competent value from a utility man and a wild lefty? His name was Dan Uggla…

    Comment by John — November 16, 2010 @ 6:36 pm

  8. This does clear up one big question mark, but I wonder how much Prado will be a utility guy and how much he’ll just be a LFer. With Conrad and Hicks around to man the middle infield, Prado would really only need to spell Freeman. If they pick up a serviceable platoon righty bat for LF the only real hole that team would have is CF, and given the amount of improvement the offense would already have it seems likely they’d roll the dice on a Nate McLouth comeback.

    Comment by deadpool — November 16, 2010 @ 6:36 pm

  9. Side note: offensively, Chris Coghlan might be Omar Infante.

    Comment by John — November 16, 2010 @ 6:38 pm

  10. What an awful offseason. Marlins are confusing me.

    Comment by Joe R — November 16, 2010 @ 6:38 pm

  11. I was thinking about this when I wrote that Coghlan might end up at second or third. I’m a little skeptical about Dominguez, but they still like him it seems, and his glove is supposedly nice. If they still get a pick for Infante, it looks a little better, but I’m sure marlins fans were looking for more.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — November 16, 2010 @ 6:40 pm

  12. Why couldn’t Chipper just move to 1B where the Braves currently have a hole in their lineup? The following starting infield could be one of the best in baseball.

    Chipper Jones 1B
    Dan Uggla 2B
    Alex Gonzalez SS
    Martin Prado 3B

    Comment by giantsrainman — November 16, 2010 @ 6:40 pm

  13. We’re supposed to be stingy but well run! Not stingy and poorly run! We aren’t the Pirates!

    Comment by John — November 16, 2010 @ 6:40 pm

  14. I don’t think Conrad features in heavily in the future of that infield. Those defensive gaffes were so high-profile and also in tune with what he’s done in the past that I think he might even be a backup outfielder in the future.

    I think Prado will see plenty of time at third and second – he’s a better glove than Jones and Uggla and is wasted at least a little out in the outfield.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — November 16, 2010 @ 6:42 pm

  15. According to this:

    Infante qualifies for Type B status. I’m not sure how it works, but is there anyway that Infante could qualify for A with a solid but not crazy year?

    Comment by John — November 16, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

  16. this was my first thought as well – but the fact remains that the Braves have a poor outfield, and that Freeman has done well at Triple-A and the team has already said he’ll get a chance…

    Comment by Eno Sarris — November 16, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

  17. I think they want Freeman to get his at bats.

    Comment by John — November 16, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

  18. I think ideally, you would shift Uggla to the outfield and keep Prado at the keystone. Early indications from the Braves’ FO is that it will be the other way around. That seems like a mistake, for the reasons you indicate.

    Comment by Anon21 — November 16, 2010 @ 6:51 pm

  19. It all probably winds up academic anyway, I think the over-under on Chipper Jones games played next season is probably double digit.

    While I can see Prado spelling Jones often, I think you may be underestimating the OF problem for that team. If Prado’s playing the infield it means Joe Mather is playing the left (or someone equally as disheartening)

    As memorable as the Conrad blooper real was last season, I think the Brave’s anemic offense was more so. That goes double for the OF were a 20 year old rookie was basically the only contributor all season.

    Comment by deadpool — November 16, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

  20. Because Freeman is better than anyone they could put in left internally.

    Comment by ToastyFire — November 16, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

  21. What are the odds Coglan ends up at 2nd?

    Curious from a fantasy perspective.

    Comment by Bob — November 16, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

  22. offseason not done yet. Burrell, Hinske, Hawpe… they could sign another corner OF, shift Conrad out there as the backup…

    You know what. Prado will see a lot of LF at-bats, huh? Barring a trade.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — November 16, 2010 @ 7:01 pm

  23. Not yet, but you’re quickly becoming them.

    Comment by hk — November 16, 2010 @ 7:03 pm

  24. I agree with the general sentiment, but Dunn isn’t really a LOOGY. He’s either a bust because he can’t work out his control problems, or he’s a legit setup man, possibly even a closer someday.

    Comment by Anon21 — November 16, 2010 @ 7:03 pm

  25. This tweet from Alden Gonzalez, the Marlins’ reporter, suggests that Coghlan is headed to CF now. Sigh.

    Although that does make Dominguez more interesting.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — November 16, 2010 @ 7:05 pm

  26. The original plan was to convert Coghlan to 3B. Considering the Marlins received Infante, I’m not sure the departure of Uggla will change that. It might also depend on how the team feels about exposing Coghlan’s newly repaired meniscus to the rigors of 2B.

    Comment by Choo — November 16, 2010 @ 7:05 pm

  27. Meniscus tears aren’t always a big deal, especially if they are thinking of him in CF now.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — November 16, 2010 @ 7:06 pm

  28. Frank Wren was just on XM radio and he stated the plan was to move Prado to LF if Chipper was good to go for spring training.

    Comment by Heather — November 16, 2010 @ 7:07 pm

  29. Yeah, he’s got unhittable stuff. The thing is, sometimes he’s unhittable and throwing strikes, and some days he’s unhittable because he can’t find the zone. He’s definitely worth a look.

    Of course, he could just be another Spooneybarger.

    Comment by Alex Remington — November 16, 2010 @ 7:09 pm

  30. The title of the article is a little weak in my opinion since you could use the same title anytime the Tigers, Reds, Braves, Rays, or Marlins engage in a trade which happens several times a year.

    Comment by Joel — November 16, 2010 @ 7:14 pm

  31. Another blandiose scheme from the Florida Marlins. How about Infante at SS, Coghlan at 2B and Hanley in CF? Anything without Bonifacio would be a good start, but I wonder what defensive arrangement would provide the most value?

    Comment by Choo — November 16, 2010 @ 7:16 pm

  32. freeman is touted as an elite defensve first baseman, and chipper has already poo-pooed the idea of changing positions again.

    Comment by atoms — November 16, 2010 @ 7:18 pm

  33. This trade just made me (and a few friends and family members) rip up my season ticket renewal form. Hopefully by the new stadium opening in ’12 Beinfest and Co. will have their act together but I’m losing faith in their long-term vision.

    I wish they had held out for Arencibia or Norris from the Blue Jays or Nationals. I know those were just rumored deals and maybe they weren’t actually on the table, but it seemed realistic from both sides.

    Comment by Joel — November 16, 2010 @ 7:19 pm

  34. Probably has as much to do with the rest of the next FA class as it does him.

    Comment by Kevin S. — November 16, 2010 @ 7:21 pm

  35. Wow this trade really surprised me. I had heard that the Braves traded for Dan Uggla and I figured for sure that one of Mike Minor, Beachy or Delgado would be headed to the Marlins. But alas, its just a utility infielder and a LOOGY with no control. GREAT move by the Braves.

    From the Marlins end, it shows me they have alot of confidence in what Mike Stanton and Logan Morrison can do in 2011. They’ve addressed their biggest weakness from last season (bullpen) while losing offense so they must believe a full season from Stanton & Morrison can fill the offensive void left by Uggla.

    Comment by DonCoburleone — November 16, 2010 @ 7:22 pm

  36. I think Burrell might just complete the upgrade to this offense. He’s a right handed bat, so he could free up Prado to spell Freeman against lefty pitchers. He’s also probably good enough that should Prado need to spell Chipper long term he could hold down left, although that’s not ideal.

    All in all his bat probably plays well enough against lefties to were Chipper or Uggla could get some rest in a couple days a week and it keeps Prado’s glove from being completely wasted as you suggested.

    Comment by deadpool — November 16, 2010 @ 7:23 pm

  37. Again, Dunn actually has a relatively high ceiling for a reliever. A LOOGY he is not. But you are right that control problems have really hampered his development.

    Comment by Anon21 — November 16, 2010 @ 7:25 pm

  38. Or they could package Prado to St. Louis for Rasmus.

    Comment by deadpool — November 16, 2010 @ 7:30 pm

  39. Freeman is likely to struggle at some point, and Prado has played a capable 1B in the past. It wouldn’t be the Braves first choice, but it is an option.

    Comment by Dan — November 16, 2010 @ 7:30 pm

  40. I’ll probably be the one out of place if I move to the West soon, as I plan to. “The” will become regular for me

    Comment by Joltin' Joe — November 16, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

  41. I-75 runs north from hialeah (miami) through Atlanta all the way to Michigan. I-95 runs up the east coast of florida and georgia (nowhere near atlanta) and continues north through maine.

    I-75 was the correct highway.

    Comment by greg — November 16, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

  42. I don’t know, I think the Marlins have to be aware that it would take a lot of things going right to compete next season. The Braves and Phillies were viewed as the two realy favorites in the division and they just made the Braves better.

    Assuming they know that their playing for 2012 at the earliest, getting young bullpen guys doesn’t make alot of sense, the nature of bullpen success is just too transient to be giving up so much just to get long-term bullpen guys, none of whom have any realistic chance of starting. Either the Marlins don’t understand that, or they really do plan on making a run at 2011, which means they think that Stanton, Morrison, and Coughlin (at CF?) matched with Hanley constitutes a competitive core for a contender.

    Comment by deadpool — November 16, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

  43. Isn’t moving a below-average LF into CF a terrible idea?

    Comment by matt w — November 16, 2010 @ 7:35 pm

  44. If Rasmus were actually on the market, it would definitely take more than Prado to move him.

    Comment by Anon21 — November 16, 2010 @ 7:37 pm

  45. Not true, Chipper said he’d do it last year before they signed Glaus.

    I don’t know were this perception that Chipper’s a selfish guy comes from, he moved to left, took deferred money to free up salary twice ((to try and re-sign Andruw and to try and sign Furcal), and as ill-conceived as his attempts to stay on the field while hurt may be they do seem to be well intentioned.

    Comment by deadpool — November 16, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

  46. Yeah it seems like a wierd move by the Marlins. They’ve stayed competetive over the last few years by NOT dedicating resources to their bullpen.. Maybe the Marlin’s front office believes there is a market inefficiency in regards to relievers? Maybe they think Ryan Webb and Mike Dunn can become starters? It just seems like an overreaction by their GM to the terrible bullpen they had last year…

    Comment by DonCoburleone — November 16, 2010 @ 7:46 pm

  47. I like a well-executed LIMA Plan as much as the next guy, but c’mon, Marlins . . . you’re just forcing it now.

    Comment by Choo — November 16, 2010 @ 7:52 pm

  48. I didn’t mean just Prado. I just meant that Prado (a 2Bman which the Card’s need) who’s under team control for a bit yet, plus one of Delgado/Teheran/Viscaino would probably go over better with Wren than Jurjjens plus one of that group.

    Comment by deadpool — November 16, 2010 @ 7:53 pm


    Comment by atoms — November 16, 2010 @ 8:18 pm

  50. I don’t really think this trade is as bad for the Marlins as everyone seems to think. Similar to the Santana situation; they only had one year of Uggla’s services to offer, so the haul is going to seem small. Dunn has set-up-guy upside, and is under control for four years. I think it was a good trade for the Braves, given their roster, but not a bad one for the Marlins.

    Now, if the Braves go sign Uggla for 4/not much more than the Marlins were offering, then it’s a real bad one.

    Comment by D88 — November 16, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

  51. Is Uggla a free agent

    Comment by FA Question — November 16, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

  52. he will be after next season, barring an extension from atlanta, which is doubtful. he’ll most likely be a type a.

    Comment by atoms — November 16, 2010 @ 8:55 pm

  53. Using “the” for freeways is a Souther California thing, not a Northern California thing, as no one I know refers to the freeways around here as anything other than 280, 680, 880, 101, etc. Vegas puts that stupid “the” in front of their freeways as well.

    Comment by matt — November 16, 2010 @ 9:12 pm

  54. So the Marlins were supposed to hang on to Uggla for another 10M this year and then collect the draft picks.

    That doesn’t seem worth it

    Comment by FA Question — November 16, 2010 @ 9:29 pm

  55. One interesting aspect of this trade, from a Braves fan’s perspective, is how it improves the Javier Vazquez/Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn, Arodys Vizcaino swap from last offseason by turning Dunn into Uggla. Of course, Frank Wren couldn’t have known that Mike Dunn would help him get Uggla a year later, but Wren does seem to be pretty good at taking small pieces from one trade and turning them into bigger pieces in future trades.

    Comment by Jaik Jarrkjens — November 16, 2010 @ 9:32 pm

  56. The Marlins want Infante to be Class B, not Class A. Nobody will give up a draft pick to sign Infante–if he becomes Class A, he would have to accept arbitration if offered.

    Comment by cavebird — November 16, 2010 @ 9:55 pm

  57. I was thinking the same thing. Of course, just because the Marlins took the bait (pun intended), that doesn’t necessarily mean it – the Braves/Yankees trade – was a smart move by Wren.

    In my opinion, Vazquez’ year-to-year inconsistency (which bore out) and how high everyone (Yankees included) were on Vizcaino made it a good, sell-high trade. I won’t MMQB if Vizcaino doesn’t pan out. Of course then there was Melky…

    As a Braves fan, you have to be excited that the Braves didn’t get another Garrett Anderson/Eric Hinske type and say “here’s our new power hitter.”

    Comment by TK — November 16, 2010 @ 9:56 pm

  58. When Chipper is healthy, Prado will play in left. It makes the most sense; while Prado has played in the infield in the majors, he has primarily been an OF in the Venezualen winter league when he has played there.

    Comment by cavebird — November 16, 2010 @ 9:58 pm

  59. Chipper has issues with his foot/feet. Apparently there is something wrong with the structurally. I don’t know the exact story behind it, but it apparently feels like he’s running with a marble in his shoe under the ball of his foot. All the movement needed to cover 1B would apparently just be too much to handle.

    Comment by Nitram Odarp — November 16, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

  60. Something is strange about this trade. Why was Uggla so undervalued (or fairly valued, but that’s a different question) by every single other GM in baseball that Infante and Dunn was the best return the Marlins could get?

    Either Florida values Infante and Dunn much higher than us fans, or no one was really too keen on Uggla, his salary and contract demands and were willing to give up any blue-chip prospect or stronger package. Something is fishy here.. pardon the pun.

    Just by the sheer nature of how bad this looks, I’m extremely interested in Uggla’s season and what kind of contract he signs next year.

    Comment by John — November 16, 2010 @ 10:27 pm

  61. By this logic, though, Infante is basically worthless. He’s under team control for one year at $2.5 million and is basically a utility guy. Useful on a contender but pretty much roster filler for a non-winning team.

    Comment by Nivarsity — November 16, 2010 @ 10:28 pm

  62. And to a division rival to boot!

    Comment by John — November 16, 2010 @ 10:29 pm

  63. I agree, it’s pretty weird. It’s possible (though perhaps not likely) that Loria, like Cholly Manuel, blindly overvalues Infante’s fairly mediocre skillset, and so thinks he got a better deal than he really did.

    Comment by Anon21 — November 16, 2010 @ 10:43 pm

  64. Oh, I guess that’s where then.

    Comment by deadpool — November 16, 2010 @ 11:51 pm

  65. Its not the 405… Its the 4-Oh-Fuck

    Comment by MetsKnicksRutgers — November 17, 2010 @ 12:45 am

  66. Lol Teheran for Rasmus? You must be joking, Teheran is a Felix Hernandez type prospect, there are a few OF in the game you trade him in a package for.

    Comment by Josh — November 17, 2010 @ 1:04 am

  67. Infante playing 3B in the playoffs was painful to watch…just saying. Coghs at 3B Infante at 2B i’ll give that 85% chance.

    Comment by Josh — November 17, 2010 @ 1:07 am

  68. Sounds like Matt Thornton. Congrats to him for finally figuring it out, but it took a long time.

    Comment by The Typical Idiot Fan — November 17, 2010 @ 3:38 am

  69. Cavebird, I’d almost think the same could be said for Type-B. I’m not sure, if I’m Omar Infante, that I wouldn’t accept what an arbiter grants over a free agency attempt. More years somewhere else maybe, but probably not more money.

    Comment by The Typical Idiot Fan — November 17, 2010 @ 3:41 am

  70. What part of “Jeff Loria” didn’t you understand?

    Comment by The Typical Idiot Fan — November 17, 2010 @ 3:41 am

  71. I could also foresee a scenario whereby Uggla ends up at first.

    Comment by chuckb — November 17, 2010 @ 9:44 am

  72. But you’re still talking about a utility infielder and a guy whose ceiling is about 1.5 to 2 wins and he’s not presently close to reaching his ceiling.

    Comment by chuckb — November 17, 2010 @ 9:45 am

  73. And a guy who might be one of the most talented CF prospects we’ve seen in a while who OPS’ed .859 as a 23 year old would be one of them.

    Comment by Garrett — November 17, 2010 @ 10:52 am

  74. Alligator Alley is I-75 which connects the main I-75 to the East coast of Florida. So yes, I-75 is correct.

    Back on topic: What a colossal screw-up by the Marlins.

    Comment by Heat84 — November 17, 2010 @ 5:30 pm

  75. Uggla really could sign an extension with the Braves. He may be willing to take a small hometown discount for Atlanta (his family lives in TN). He’s already told reporters he could see himself finishing his career with the Braves (probably just saying that, though).

    Plus, Chipper’s contract comes off the books in a year or two.

    Comment by Greg — November 17, 2010 @ 10:01 pm

  76. Yes, he is signed through 2012 and with a club option for 2013.

    Comment by TAC7 — November 18, 2010 @ 8:01 am

  77. Just watch Arodys Vizcaino pitch. I think scouts are lowering him bc of the elbow injury, but if he’s healthy he’s a monster. Kind of reminds me of Johnny Cueto…where you just kind of know that the kid can do some damage in the majors just by watching him.

    Comment by Scott — January 5, 2011 @ 10:59 pm

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