According to Rosenthal, Billy Beane was trying to get Willingham before settling on Dejesus, so you have to figure he was offering Mazzaro+prospect to the Nats and they wanted more than that for him. The Nats seem like a hard team to trade with, they (correctly) know they are going to be a force starting in 2012 with Strasburg, so they appear wary of making deals that aren’t totally lopsided in their favor.
Here’s a thought: Josh Willingham for Bronson Arroyo. Both players will be in walk years, and they’re fairly close in salary. The Nationals are desperate for pitching, and the Reds need an upgrade over Jonny Gomes.
Granted, I know Walt Jocketty has discussed a possible contract extension with Arroyo, but Arroyo said the agreement isn’t particularly close at the moment, so maybe that will fall through. Does anyone think this trade is doable? I really think it would help both teams.
Comment by camisadelgolf — November 19, 2010 @ 10:48 am
I hear ya that Rizzo is hard to deal with, and that he asks for a certain level of return. But look at what else goes on out there. How does Uggla for Dunn and Infante make sense? Paulino for Barmes? Why should he take two middle relieves like Mazzaro and Marks. That doesn’t seem like enough for a starting CF with OBP skills and good defensive abilities.
The same number. The defensive adjustments in WAR assume that an average 1B is a -5 corner OF and a -5 corner OF is an average 1B. *If* WAR is a valid metric, then it’s valid to assume that’s really how The Hammer would play at first.
Comment by philosofool — November 19, 2010 @ 12:19 pm
Yeah that was on Acta more than his health, but the overall injury concern remains the same. Best case is 145 games anything over is gravy. Now one option could be a DH for some AL teams with some occasional OF time since he isn’t horrible there. Might be able to keep him healthier that way.
That makes zero sense for the Nats. Though I do consider the Reds a trade partner. Nats don’t want someone for one year, since they won’t contend in 2011, hence why they are getting rid of Willingham. Also Willingham is open to an extension and will cost less than Arroyo.
Something like Heisey and a young solid pitching prospect would probably work.
I was wondering about a fit with the Reds, but the proposed arb salary seemed prohibitive. I’m a long time Willingham fan and I think he’d be a great fit if we could keep him healthy. Arroyo is a Baker favorite and he’s certainly been consistent for us, but this is a deal I’d be happy to make as a Reds fan. As for its viability, I’ll let wiser heads than mine weigh in on that.
Comment by blackout — November 19, 2010 @ 12:32 pm
Yeah, I think Heisey and a prospect would be a good idea, particularly because trading Willingham leaves a void in the Nats’ outfield that would need to be filled, and giving Heisey a chance at a full time job in Washington isn’t a bad idea. He certainly won’t get that chance in Cincinnati, what with Bruce in RF and Stubbs in CF(and if such a trade went through, Willingham would be the LF and Gomes would become the 4th OF).
I actually think Type A status would hurt Willingham’s value. I think it would under-cut his market and make him pretty likely to accept arbitration. If he is Type B, I’d feel comfortable offering him arbitration after next season.
He could be a guy to accept arbitration after ’11 but if he puts up a vintage Willinghammer season he’s got to go after a free agent deal. He’ll be heading into his age 33 season, it’ll most likely be his first and last chance for a long-term deal.
His baseball ref. list of comparables are a lot of guys who were 1 poor season and done for (Ensberg, Mench, Daubach).
I’d think the Red Sox would look at him if they lose out on Werth and/or can’t work a deal for Adrian Gonzalez. Seems to me a very similar player to good Kevin Millar minus the cowboy-up shenanigans. Fenway’s LF could hide alot of his fielding deficiencies, and he could spell Papi and/or Drew against LHP.