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  1. Even stick Encarnacion in the random DH spot for now with the Jays, and that is an impressive line-up. EE did hit 21 HR’s last year. If the Jays did sign Manny, you are looking at a formidable bench of EE, Rajai Davis, Johnny Mac and Jose Molina, with decent talent and reclamation projects (Corey Patterson) in the minors.

    Comment by Hanley — December 30, 2010 @ 1:11 pm

  2. the cardinals have david freese and im pretty sure are sticking with him

    Comment by William — December 30, 2010 @ 1:20 pm

  3. What would the Cards do with Freese is what I want to know. Plus it doesn’t sound like a defensive team with glass-kneed Lance Berkman playing left.

    Comment by Cody Vaughn — December 30, 2010 @ 1:27 pm

  4. I would love to see Beltre as a Mariner again. Anybody want to trade for Figgins?

    Comment by gu03alum — December 30, 2010 @ 1:31 pm

  5. Agree, the cost savings is just too much. And they have Zack Cox waiting in the wings.

    Comment by DWrek — December 30, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

  6. Toronto does make sense, but I view them as being in the same boat as Texas. They don’t really *need* Beltre and they probably both view signing one of the many available DH’s to a one year contract as a much more cost effective option. The Angels really are the only fit. I think Boras is trying to start one of his classic one-team bidding wars. The Angels seem to recognize their relative position of power in this since they are in no rush to sign him.

    Comment by Okra — December 30, 2010 @ 2:09 pm

  7. You know who doesn’t want to see Adrian Beltre as a Mariner again? Adrian Beltre.

    Comment by Kevin — December 30, 2010 @ 2:10 pm

  8. Nice idea, but this would mean the Jays giving up a first-round draft pick to the Red Sox, in what is supposed to be a banner year for amateur talent. That in itself might be enough to quash the Jays’ interest. The Jays would also be buying relatively high on Beltre’s ages-32 to 36 (or 37) seasons. And Beltre, while good, has been inconsistent (with OPS+ ranging from 83 to 163 over the last half dozen seasons). Lastly, the team has a few potential internal 3B options for 2012 and beyond in Hill, Lawrie and Escobar (with Hechavarria taking over at short).

    Hard to see it happening.

    Comment by greenfrog — December 30, 2010 @ 2:11 pm

  9. Brett Lawrie does not approve of this article.

    Comment by Noxage — December 30, 2010 @ 2:29 pm

  10. Brett Lawrie doesn’t approve of a lot of things.

    Comment by greenfrog — December 30, 2010 @ 2:40 pm

  11. Funny thing is, Yankees Replacement Level blog has a cairo projection with Blue jays winning only 74 games. That sounded way off to me.

    As a Mets fan, although I know this doesn’t make sense given the state of the team, I’d love to see beltre at 3d. Although the Mets have a damn fine 3b. Although, given his last 2 year’s uzr, I wonder if maybe he couldn’t maybe move to 2b. But for the injury risk, I’d like to see how that’s work out. Doesn’t make much sense in a lot of ways, but it just was a thought about somehow filling the 2b slot and adding another fine player. I doubt Beltre wants to play at Citifield much more than going back to safeco.

    Comment by wobatus — December 30, 2010 @ 2:45 pm

  12. I’d have to say absolutely no chance with the White Sox. Can’t figure out why that keeps getting put out there (#hotf*ckingstove). They aren’t going to overpay a Boras guy, and it would totally defeat the purpose of paying guys like Viciedo and Teahen. If they wanted him badly, why wouldn’t they have gotten him last year?

    Comment by James — December 30, 2010 @ 2:55 pm

  13. Signing Beltre might have made sense if the Jays wanted to field their most competitive team. But if they were going for it, they would have kept Marcum instead of trading him to Milwaukee. Doesn’t make much sense to trade Marcum, sign Beltre, and then give up a draft pick in the process.

    Comment by Mark — December 30, 2010 @ 3:43 pm

  14. It seems to me EE was born to DH. Maybe, maybe, they can see if he can play somewhere in the outfield or first base, but under no circumstances should he be at third. Especially on that weird turf/grass/carpet/synthetic wool surface they play on in Toronto.

    Comment by jirish — December 30, 2010 @ 3:48 pm

  15. Let’s see-trade him or keep him for depth. Beltre would be a huge upgrade in the sense that he’s pretty likely to take the field 140-150 games. Beltre’s going to require a long term commitment that I don’t think the Cardinals will make. Freese has not one but two ankles made of glass, both surgically repaired. Who knows how that’s going to turn out? Beltre fits the team, but he doesn’t fit their payroll.

    Comment by jirish — December 30, 2010 @ 3:54 pm

  16. Joe:

    Did Scott Boras promise you a cut of his commission to write this article? Now we have the media and internet writers helping Mr. Boras manufacture his non-existent “mystery” teams who are all allegedly clamoring to sign his clients.

    Comment by bvillebaron — December 30, 2010 @ 3:59 pm

  17. Oh, I don’t know about that. They can trade a Marcum away because they have a tree in their back yard. It is a pitching tree. They pick one, hope he’s ripe, and put him in the correct spot on the staff, and off they go.

    Or they sort through others trash or medical waste, put them on the tree, and see if they turn back into tasty fruit.

    In all seriousness, the Jays have always been able to find the pitching they need, in all kinds of places. I think they made that trade because they really wanted that Lawrie guy in their organization. You have to give to get.

    Comment by jirish — December 30, 2010 @ 4:02 pm

  18. In an offseason review I wanted the Jays to shore up bullpen (negative, sorry Dotel), take a run at Greinke (damn, so close) and add Beltre (would be a great move, still hopeful I can go 1/3!).

    Comment by tdotsports1 — December 30, 2010 @ 4:17 pm

  19. Look I think it was a good move to trade Marcum. But as good as those prospects are, for 2011, it’s pretty tough to argue that they’d outpitch Marcum. I don’t want to waste a year of Beltre or some other FA when they aren’t likely to compete.

    I think the Jays best shot to compete is next season. What I’d like to see the Jays do is sign Fielder/DeJesus next season if they’re available. Cause then you’re looking at:

    LF DeJesus
    SS Escobar
    1B/DH Fielder
    3B Bautista
    RF Snider
    CF Wells
    1B/DH Lind
    2B Hill
    C Arencibia

    To me, that team is a hell of a lot stronger than a team with Beltre. You still have to give up the picks, but you’re doing it when the Jays prospects have some MLB experience, and we have a better idea of what to expect from Drabek/Arencibia/Hill/Lind/Snider etc. And like you said, the pitching tree will have replaced Marcum for 2012, rather than being forced to do it in 2011.

    Comment by Mark — December 30, 2010 @ 4:29 pm

  20. Boras OR Bust, baby!

    Beltre will get his $12Mill plus per year………one or two years w/ a mutual option for year three.

    Comment by DIVISION — December 30, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

  21. A pen of Dotel/Frasor/Camp/Villanueva/Purcey/Janssen/Carlson could be worse. If we had a good closer as an anchor (McGowan? *fingers crossed*), it’d be in the top 5 in the AL. Substitute Rzepczynski for Carlson if he’s not the 5th starter and we’ve got a good long man to take Tallet’s former role.

    Grienke? Meh, kinda overrated, and the Royals obviously wanted more ML-ready players than we had to give, just like the Marlins wanted for Uggla.

    I’m fine with the Beltre idea, as we don’t have any 3B in the organization within 3 years of making any sort of impact. If the Angels don’t sign Soriano, it would make this scenario even better, as we’d be guaranteeing ourselves LAA’s 2nd rounder for Downs. Giving our first rounder to Boston would suck, but we’ve got a bunch of draft picks coming already, and our farm can afford the hit.

    Comment by Jesse — December 30, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

  22. “Florida: The Fish are already up at around $80 million in payroll”

    This can’t be true. I’m seeing that their payroll will be around 55 next year.

    Comment by Nick V. — December 30, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

  23. It gets put out there because he would be a huge upgrade over any of those guys. As pointed out, the White Sox were 28th in 3B WAR last eyar with a not much different set of guys. His defense is superior to any of them and while his bat has ahd some off years, it’s probably superior to any of them right now.

    Having seen Morel “hit,” Viciedo “field” and Teahan “play baseball” (for lack of better terms) I don’t think any of them are the long term answer at 3B. Vicieado is a 1B/DH and the other two are utility players unless Morel develops.

    So as a White Sox fan I’d love to see it happen, after all, it’s not my money.

    But, yeah, you’re right. Boras aside, I don’t see the White Sox adding $10M – 15M a year for 3 years or more and I don’t think they could get him that cheap anyway.

    Comment by MikeS — December 30, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

  24. Yeah, when the Jays signed EE it was as a DH/1B. So, I think he is worst case scenario at 3B or occasional fill in.

    Comment by Hanley — December 30, 2010 @ 5:00 pm

  25. I like the Marlins or the Dodgers. Both have a spot available and could be construed to have room in the payroll. Both have teams that are nearly good enough that the addition of Beltre could really improve their chances.

    Comment by goyo70 — December 30, 2010 @ 5:20 pm

  26. Yeah, you’re right. They’re at $42 million for 9 players now, but even with sizable raises to Nunez and Sanchez they probably won’t get over $60 million all said. I guess B-R was a bit off on that one.

    Comment by Joe Pawlikowski — December 30, 2010 @ 5:27 pm

  27. I’ve mentioned previously that the obvious fit for Beltre, and the club that would make him and Boras happy, is the Red Sox — next winter.

    If the Brewers are going all in this year, a one-year deal would make sense for everyone. If Beltre has somewhat of an off year, he can probably still sign with the Red Sox at the same AAV he could extract from the Angels now. If he has any kind of real good year, his market position is even stronger, and the Sox will give him the kind of contract he was dreaming of before they traded for Gonzalez and mucked up his plans. The Brewers get a year of Beltre at a fair price in their limited window to win it all, and give up the 74 pick this year for something like the 32 and 38 next year.

    Comment by Eric M. Van — December 30, 2010 @ 10:54 pm

  28. epic wins

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — December 31, 2010 @ 12:26 am

  29. Seriously? DeJesus > Beltre??? And since you’ve got both Snider and Bautista at their worse positions to accommodate DeJesus over Beltre, you’re basically saying DeJesus >>> Beltre. Absurd.

    Your premise is ridiculous. The Jays wouldn’t be signing Beltre to a one year deal, he’d be around for 2012 and beyond, when you’re suggesting we’d be contenders.

    Comment by Jesse — December 31, 2010 @ 12:10 pm

  30. I’d love to see Beltre sign with the Jays. With the Rays down slightly next year and the Yanks missing out on Lee and looking at Pettitte’s possible retirement, they have an opportunity similar to that of the Brewers. Now might be the time to go all-in and a Beltre signing would be a huge step in that direction.

    Comment by chuckb — December 31, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

  31. I’d argue that the Jays would be better off putting Bautista at third. He’s probably slightly below-average both in right and at third, but third base is a far more valuable position. I believe the positional adjustment is about equivalent to a full win. So, if one agrees that Bautista is about equal a defender at third & in right, signing Beltre would essentially diminish the Jays by a full win elsewhere on the diamond, as well as reducing their flexibility and costing them a first round draft pick.

    Comment by gabriel — December 31, 2010 @ 3:41 pm

  32. I never said DeJesus is better than Beltre so I have no idea what you’re talking about..

    Comment by Mark — December 31, 2010 @ 4:47 pm

  33. This is why I find it so odd that Bautista is so insistent on wanting to play RF. If I were him, I’d want to be at third. His value, as you mentioned, would immediately increase just because of the positional adjustment, plus given that range is his issue in the outfield, he might even be an adequate defender if he moved. Plus, as an infielder, I would imagine his value would increase as a free agent.

    Comment by Justin — January 1, 2011 @ 3:24 am

  34. I’d say that the blue jays are the best bet on this one (besides the angels). I think they payroll currently is lower then 78 million (see cots contracts), and all the other teams have an obstacle:
    CHW – Payroll
    Stl – Payroll + Freese
    Tex – Young
    Mil – Casey + Mat Gamel
    Flo – Payroll could be an obstacle, but I think 80 mil is a high projection. The main problem is most likely matt dominguez waiting in the wings

    Comment by William — January 2, 2011 @ 2:30 am

  35. Great analogy, I’m not going to say lol, but I did laugh out loud

    Comment by Cards Fan in Chitown — January 3, 2011 @ 9:01 pm

  36. Just playing devils advocate, there has been talk (which as a Cards fan I’m all for) of moving Cox to 2B. Also, if they are thinking they can’t sign Albert and looking into trading him to the Angels for Trout and Morales, they will free up 16M this year and probably 25+ next year (minus Morales salary). This is completly possible if they are seriously considering trading him.

    Comment by Cards Fan in Chitown — January 3, 2011 @ 9:03 pm

  37. “that weird turf/grass/carpet/synthetic wool surface they play on in Toronto”

    Did you read that Rogers? There is new tech that allows grass to be used in domes (see Montréal Impact vs AC Milan in the Olympic Stadium last summer). Please please please spend some money and give us some grass.

    Comment by Someanalyst — January 4, 2011 @ 4:09 pm

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