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  1. Can someone explain what the weighting for WAR represents?

    Comment by Jared — January 6, 2011 @ 9:28 am

  2. It’s also worth noting that Hawpe’s likely move to 1B (and possible platoon, thus avoiding those nasty southpaws) will probably increase his overall value considering how poor is OF defense is and how poorly he’s fared vs. lefties throughout his career.

    Comment by chuckb — January 6, 2011 @ 9:49 am

  3. It took me several minutes to get this, ” If he pitches to a three-win season, he would be worth more than the $7.8 million in one season alone” At first I was thinking, am I on the right page, talking about pitchers W-L record? Then I was thinking, how can a 3-x season possibly be worth $7.8 million? then I finally added, “above replacement”.

    BTW, is there a post on FG about how FG calculates pitcher WAR?

    Comment by Barkey Walker — January 6, 2011 @ 10:58 am

  4. Another reason it’s a good gamble is that the whole compensation system might be scrapped by next year anyway.

    Good article. Thinking along these lines does indeed make Hoyer look pretty damn smart.

    Comment by Ari Collins — January 6, 2011 @ 11:12 am

  5. Isn’t also worth noting that they could very well do away with free agent compensation in the new CBA after next season? So it very well may not make any difference at all with Hudson, and if Hawpe and Harang’s options are picked up it likely wont make any difference with them either.

    Comment by KyleL — January 6, 2011 @ 11:15 am

  6. Good article. I do wonder if Hoyer could have not done better than the package he got from the Sox for Gonzalez.

    Comment by Mike Green — January 6, 2011 @ 11:22 am

  7. Here’s an awesome series of posts from Dave Cameron, they’ll answer any questions you have on WAR for pitchers:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pitcher-win-values-explained-part-one

    Check the FG glossary for more links, like calculating WAR for batters.

    Comment by Chadam — January 6, 2011 @ 11:29 am

  8. Re better package from the Red Sox. Jeff Hoyer has said that the packege the Red Sox offered was superior to any other team’s. He did not want to gamble on waiting until July 31, as I recall he stated in the post-trade press conference.

    Comment by Andrew Schroter — January 6, 2011 @ 1:08 pm

  9. I don’t know if I would call Toronto a “Small Market Team” but that’s just me.

    Comment by Alex Mackenzie — January 6, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

  10. It shouldn’t just be you: it is not, at all, a small market team. In fact, it’s the seventh largest market in North America, larger than Dallas, Boston, Atlanta, and many others.

    Comment by Theo — January 6, 2011 @ 6:26 pm

  11. Thanks for the link. I should have realized that it is based on FIP, I wondered why Liriano had such a huge WAR despite earning 10 losses for a top offensive team.

    Comment by Barkey Walker — January 6, 2011 @ 7:02 pm

  12. I’m skeptical that most free agents would properly value the free agent compensation enough to make this worth a team’s while. In fact, I’m fairly certain that the majority of free agents undervalue the effects of free agent compensation, making this strategy more likely to hurt a team than help it. If you’re offering Orlando Hudson (On the cusp of Type A status) one year at $6 million with an agreement not to offer arbitration, I’m pretty sure he’s going to sign for $10 million without an agreement, even though you’d expect him to come out ahead on your offer.

    Comment by cpebbles — January 6, 2011 @ 8:43 pm

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