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  1. Joe Randa mentions are awesome!!!!

    Comment by Big Jgke — January 24, 2011 @ 1:38 pm

  2. Seems odd to compare a player to his team including himself. That virtually requires a bad team. I would expect quite a few players with good seasons outperformed the rest of their team in WAR.

    Comment by lex logan — January 24, 2011 @ 1:40 pm

  3. Just think if we could apply this somehow to LeBron and the Cavs last year. I bet it’d set some sort of record.

    Comment by SC2GG — January 24, 2011 @ 1:48 pm

  4. So on the 2004 Diamondbacks, every player out-WARed their entire team? (since no one was worse than -1.1)

    Comment by J.Ro — January 24, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

  5. I would expect quite a few players with good seasons outperformed the rest of their team in WAR

    That’s what I thought, the 12 WAR Bonds was on a team where all other batters totaled 21.5 WAR. The ’07 Pujols had teammates that put up more WAR than that.

    Ya remember these guys being on offenses that weren’t “that good” without them … but they actually were not bad at all.

    It’s ridiculous that 3 WAR guys are out-performing their team.’89 Ryan didn’t even out-WAR the rest of the TEX rotation.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — January 24, 2011 @ 2:57 pm

  6. Not the same thing, but I did just learn that without Jason Heyward the 2010 Braves outfield would’ve produced a WAR in the negative.

    Comment by Undocorkscrew — January 24, 2011 @ 3:10 pm

  7. BBreference gives Steve Carlton 12.2 and the balance of the Phillies roster 0.3 WAR in 1972.

    Comment by don — January 24, 2011 @ 3:15 pm

  8. What is the performance of a replacement team supposed to look like? is 50 wins right, or is this also a criticism of the zero level for WAR?

    Comment by Barkey Walker — January 24, 2011 @ 3:21 pm

  9. I believe it’s roughly 47 wins.

    Comment by Ben — January 24, 2011 @ 4:02 pm

  10. “There are four players since 2002 who have out-WARred an entire team while the team was in the positive.”

    When I read that sentence my first thought was “Zack Greinke 2009 had to be one.” Then I saw he wasn’t listed, so I looked him up: Greinke 9.4, Royals 6.1. Why isn’t he included?

    Not that I’m not bummed enough about seeing two Royals already on the list, mind you.

    Comment by tbr — January 24, 2011 @ 4:22 pm

  11. I think he’s only looking at position players. In 2010, Pirate hitters/fielders put up 2.8 WAR (the number he quotes), but Pirate pitchers racked up 6.7 WAR.

    Comment by theperfectgame — January 24, 2011 @ 4:39 pm

  12. Yeah pitching messes it up since no matter how bad you are, getting through 1400+ innings as a team will give you positive WAR.

    Comment by dustygator — January 24, 2011 @ 5:08 pm

  13. Cited in the last paragraph of the article.

    Comment by Marshall — January 24, 2011 @ 6:39 pm

  14. doesn’t really make sense.

    Comment by awy — January 24, 2011 @ 7:10 pm

  15. Joker Joe!

    Comment by EMD — January 24, 2011 @ 7:32 pm

  16. If you actually only looked at position players then the Pirates would have been somewhere near 7 WAR. You have to include pitcher hitting to knock them down to 2.8. Ignore pitchers completely and the Pirate position players actually come out ahead of the Mariners despite being miles behind defensively.

    Comment by Bill — January 24, 2011 @ 11:10 pm

  17. That is just ridiculous.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — January 25, 2011 @ 1:14 am

  18. Is that a misprint on Randy Johnson in 2004? I’m pretty sure he put up a mammoth 2004 campaign (9.9 WAR)…

    Comment by Matthias — January 25, 2011 @ 2:55 am

  19. i was wondering that too, because he went to the yankees in ’05 and was beastly. also thought it was odd that both the Big Unit and Brandon Webb were negatives for the same team in the same year.

    Comment by BMH — January 25, 2011 @ 5:39 am

  20. There are a couple of odd typos in the analysis. As far as I can tell, the 2nd and 3rd worst teams in 2002 were quite clearly not the Expos and Yankees – and with the Yankees I don’t see anyway that would make sense.

    The Randy Johnson comment just refers to his hitting value – he was -1.1 WAR at the plate, +9.9 WAR on the mound.

    Comment by Ken — January 25, 2011 @ 5:44 am

  21. He means the second-and third-worst defensive teams. In 2002, by UZR, the Yankees had Bernie Williams -16.2 in center, Soriano still at second with a -7.6, Raul Mondesi and Juan Rivera around -5 each in the outfield corners (in 536 and 111 innings respectively!), and basically just a brutal collection of outfielders and backup third basemen. Not even an average season from Jeter could save their D.

    Comment by matt w — January 25, 2011 @ 8:51 am

  22. That’s a good point. I should have just said, “it looks like he’s excluded pitching WAR and has only included WAR earned by Pirate hitters and fielders.”

    Comment by theperfectgame — January 25, 2011 @ 9:47 am

  23. How about those 92 games the Reds in 2005? .289/.356/.491 with 13 bombs.

    Comment by Anon — January 25, 2011 @ 11:13 am

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