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  1. No one jumps out at me, because the graphs are too small to read, and don’t expand to a visible size once you click on them.

    Comment by SC2GG — February 2, 2011 @ 3:23 pm

  2. Damn, I forgot how good Mike Schmidt was. 10 seasons over 7 WAR.

    Comment by J.Leeker — February 2, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

  3. I believe this can be addressed by right-clicking on the image and then opening it in a new tab or window.

    Comment by Carson Cistulli — February 2, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

  4. Kent Hrbek doesn’t belong in the HOF, but look at the guys within +/- 4 career WAR of him. It’s really a shame that no one ever mentions him outside of MN.

    Comment by ralf — February 2, 2011 @ 3:39 pm

  5. Or for Mac users, just drag in onto your desktop. Then you can zoom.

    ps – Joshua: the Boston dot is the wrong color. ;-)

    Comment by ofMontreal — February 2, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

  6. There were 26 teams in 1977. Count the dots on your map.

    Comment by AJS — February 2, 2011 @ 3:45 pm

  7. ps ps – Unfortunately Andre Dawson is also in the HOF from this era.

    Comment by ofMontreal — February 2, 2011 @ 3:57 pm

  8. What jumps out is how much more WAR the players produce during their club control seasons than after they are finally eligible for free agency.

    Comment by Schu — February 2, 2011 @ 4:01 pm

  9. Yeah, sorry about that. I’ve tried a dozen ways to get it to just link to the image, but the way WordPress is set up, it just hasn’t worked. If anyone has any ideas, let me know!

    Comment by Joshua Maciel — February 2, 2011 @ 4:23 pm

  10. Woops. I will fix that dot, and Dawson. Hrmph. Was the data I collected from 1990 or something?

    Comment by Joshua Maciel — February 2, 2011 @ 4:23 pm

  11. So fully agreed — he was the big surprise for me making this era.

    Comment by Joshua Maciel — February 2, 2011 @ 4:24 pm

  12. Grich and Whitaker had much more value than Ryno at bat and in the field. Do the sportswriters still not understand the value of a walk?

    Comment by PJS — February 2, 2011 @ 4:30 pm

  13. Wouldn’t that just be a function of teams controlling a player’s peak years?

    Comment by Ben — February 2, 2011 @ 4:34 pm

  14. Nice catch, fixed the article. Woops?

    Comment by Joshua Maciel — February 2, 2011 @ 4:43 pm

  15. Whitaker jumps out to me…

    WHY IS THIS GUY NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME????

    and why has the saber community not fought for him, or Trammel???

    Comment by Jeff — February 2, 2011 @ 5:14 pm

  16. I cannot believe he has more WAR than Gwinn, Ozzie Smith, Raines, Winfield, AND Sanburg…

    Oh and only 30 more than Rice… but oh I forgot, playing for the Red Sox or Yankees gets you an automatic extra 30WAR when you retire.

    Comment by Jeff — February 2, 2011 @ 5:19 pm

  17. and what a freaking joke for the baseball writers to even CONSIDER Mattingly…

    not even 50 WAR???

    but he was A Yankee!!!

    I guess being a average player on a shitty team is worth more than being a great player on one of the most dominant single year teams of all time… (1984 Tigers)

    Comment by Jeff — February 2, 2011 @ 5:22 pm

  18. Well first off, Whitaker’s not on the ballot. He didn’t get 5 percent of the vote in his first year, so he got dropped off. His fate is up to veteran’s committee. Trammell has got sabre support, but he also has no chance of being elected. He just doesn’t have enough votes – guys like Larkin/Raines are more likely candidates to get in.

    And while I definitely think Whitaker has a solid HOF case, his career WAR doesn’t tell the whole story.

    As a comparison to Trammell/Larkin/Ozzie:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?playerid2=1013846&playerid3=1013157&playerid4=335&playerid5=1012186

    Whitaker was very good for a long time – his 12th-18th best seasons top the others by a lot. But his peak was also not as high as the other 3 guys. You can make a decent case that his very best was not quite good enough to be a Hall of Famer. He deserved more support than he got, but he’s far from a must-put-in guy.

    Comment by todmod — February 2, 2011 @ 5:35 pm

  19. If the bolded players are hall of famers, then why isn’t Dawson highlighted? Isn’t he in the HoF?

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — February 2, 2011 @ 5:54 pm

  20. so I know FG hates that Dawson is in the Hall, but to blatantly omit it seems a little over the top

    Comment by fredsbank — February 2, 2011 @ 7:18 pm

  21. The absence of Barry Bonds jumps out at me. By my math he had 73.8 WAR from 89-95.

    Comment by brad — February 2, 2011 @ 9:03 pm

  22. Make that 86-95, oops.

    Comment by brad — February 2, 2011 @ 9:04 pm

  23. Probably because he put up 90+ WAR from 96-07. He’s also generally more associated with the next period as his peak was from 2000-2004.

    Comment by Jack — February 2, 2011 @ 9:29 pm

  24. Fred Lynn jumps out at me for just having an odd looking graph.

    Comment by Shattenjager — February 3, 2011 @ 2:40 am

  25. Jeff, while I agree with you to a point and certainly think the voting process is flawed, I do not think WAR should be the only stat used either.

    Mattingly was a 6X AS, 9X GG, 4X top-5 MVPs and a batting title to go along with a .307 career hitter. Now while I don’t think he necessarily belongs in the HOF, he had a solid, albeit short-ish career.

    Rice was one of the most feared AL hitters of his generation and he dominated, again albeit for a short time and it took the full 15 years as a result becasue he did not have the counting stats, so it is not like they just said, yep he was a Red Sox.

    And while it is fun to go back and look at the new sabermetric stats on the legends, it is anachronistic to judge them solely on WAR or any other saber stat that was not being used at the time. Even OBP which was kept track of, was not considered that valuable, especially compared to “batting .300″ …People (fans, media and even management) used to complain when Boggs took a BB with a runner on second or third. It was a different game, with different evaluations of talent.

    With all that being said, I think Whitaker and Trammel both belong, but I also think Raines, Dewey, Grich, McGriff and Larkin do as well.

    Comment by bcp33bosox — February 3, 2011 @ 7:29 am

  26. Here are the guys +/- 2.0 WAR of Hrbek with each players’ BBWAA HoF votes:

    Paul O’Neill (43.8) 12/545
    Willie Wilson (43.5) 10/499
    Darrell Porter (43.4) 0/423
    Darryl Strawberry (43.2) 6/516
    Andy Van Slyke (43.1) 0/515
    Jesse Barfield (42.6) 0?
    Dusty Baker (42.6) 4/430
    Kent Hrbek (42) 5/499
    Chili Davis (41.7) 3/516
    Lenny Dykstra (41.4) 1/472
    Jim Sundberg (41.4) 1/460
    Tim Wallach (40.6) 1/472
    Wally Joyner (40.4) 0/545
    Jay Bell (40.3) 2/539

    I skipped one [below], but all of the rest, including Hrbek, got between 0% and 2% of the vote. Atleast it seems the writers views in this case match up pretty solidly with WAR. Not sure on Barfield, why wasn’t he ever on the ballot? But in any case, I’m counting that as a zero…

    And then there is Steve Garvey (42.5 WAR): who was on the ballot for fifteen years and averaged over 150 votes… So the best question is what makes Garvey nearly a HoFer (he has the fifth most BBWAA HoF votes of any player not elected by the BBWAA, Bunning, Hodges, Cepeda and Slaughter ahead) and the others +/- 2 WAR got virtually no support…

    Comment by Eric R — February 3, 2011 @ 9:46 am

  27. Really, Schmidt was a surprise? Arguably the best third baseman of all time. The current top career WAR among all 3B (though A-Rod will surpass him). Rare combo of elite power/elite defense. Star of George F. Will’s Sports Machine Mike Schmidt is forgotten so quickly?

    Don’t mean to harsh, but in my mind the guy has to go in the inner HOF circle.

    Comment by Mac — February 3, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  28. There are a few guys straddling the 1995 mark who really belong in both eras. Bonds, Clemens, and Maddux all were great in this era but really made their mark in the modern era. Then there’s Frank Thomas.

    The Big Hurt played from 1990-2008.
    From ’90-’97 he never posted an OPS less than .975.
    From ’98 – ’08 he only once posted an OPS greater than .975

    Lumping Thomas in with the offensive explosion of the late 90′s paints the wrong picture of his career. If ever a true DH belongs in the HOF, it should be Frank Thomas.

    Comment by Mac — February 3, 2011 @ 1:28 pm

  29. One of the questions that you might ask yourself is, if this was the best player on a team, could they win the WS? For Mattingly, the answer has to be no given that he had about as good a “rest of the team” as you could expect and they never won the WS.

    Comment by Barkey Walker — February 4, 2011 @ 11:24 am

  30. As a Twins fan, I’m always floored by how low the WAR of Puckett is (49.4). He had very good traditional stats. Was revered by local sports casters as very good in CF when he was young, and a career BA of 0.317, hit about 20 HR/year (more in his prime) but he did not walk. If a pitcher would throw it, he would swing at it.

    This also helped him accumulate HOF type stats, fewest years in the majors before breaking 2000 hits (5), was viewed as “leading the team” to two WS championships, first player to sign for over $3mil/year, and (how could you forget), hit a walk off homer in a WS game.

    Because of this, he was a first year eligible HOF member. I wonder if there are other first year HOF members with such low WARs.

    Comment by Barkey Walker — February 4, 2011 @ 11:31 am

  31. I don’t know if anyone is still looking here, but has something gone horribly wrong with the first picture? I see nothing, not even a clickable link.

    Comment by ScooterPie — February 7, 2011 @ 2:36 pm

  32. In the interest of doing something other than whine, let me say this: when this series first started, I wasn’t quite certain of the point. It was kinda neat, but …

    Having now grown accustomed to these graphics, I love the whole series. These are great to look at.

    Comment by ScooterPie — February 7, 2011 @ 2:38 pm

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