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  1. I really enjoy these lookbacks. Jeff Cirillo recorded more career WAR than Shawn Green and Ray Durham? Surprising stuff.

    Comment by Jason B — January 28, 2011 @ 12:31 pm

  2. Agreed. There’s some pleasure to be had in

    With regard to Cirillo, he appears to’ve been a real menace during his peak (1996-2001). Excellent contact skills, good walk rate, decent-enough power. The fielding numbers are excellent, too.

    Over that span, he actually comes out as the second-best 3B in baseball, behind only Chipper, and ahead of Rolen and Ventura.

    Comment by Carson Cistulli — January 28, 2011 @ 12:38 pm

  3. I’m pretty sure it goes into WAR, but in case it doesn’t, Cirillo definitely benefitted from playing in two jitters parks for most of his career in coors and miller. I also don’t think the positional adjustment goes into WAR in the years prior to UZR being included, SS and 2B that get 600 PAs of 700 OPS usually have a decent WAR as long as their UZR is slightly greater than zero. I would think this woulda put Durham ahead of cirillo, but looking back Cirillo did have some monster years.

    I’m in class so I can’t really go look at his numbers, but I remember green having a couple of monster years for Toronto and then his for couple years with LA and then falling off a cliff suddenly.

    Comment by MetsKnicksRutgers — January 28, 2011 @ 12:46 pm

  4. This made me go see what Ruben Rivera has been up to… He’s just been destroying the Mexican league. According to MILB, he’s got 1779 ABs there with a .348/.442/.634 line. I guess his bad rep and being a 37 year old limits his chance of getting another shot. I’m also assuming the Mexican league is a hitters paradise with that SLG%. He’s really got a nice little career going on down there though… 5 seasons, 124 Hrs, 84 Sbs.

    Comment by Dave — January 28, 2011 @ 1:02 pm

  5. Didn’t he also steal some stuff from the Cap’ns locker? Wasn’t that him? That’s a sure way to get run out of NY on a rail…

    Comment by Jason B — January 28, 2011 @ 2:21 pm

  6. Cirillo never played at miller park when he was with the Brewers. They played out of County Stadium back then.

    It is amazing that he had more career WAR than Shawn Green…never would have guessed that. Small market anonymity for the mainstream, but it never gets lost on fangraphs.

    Comment by adam smith — January 28, 2011 @ 6:39 pm

  7. I always remember Cirillo being heavily underrated. How come he fizzled kind of soon?

    Also, what’s with that Marc Newfield guy? James was in love with him in the way he is in love with that Red Sox kid.

    Comment by AA — January 31, 2011 @ 12:12 am

  8. Cirillo is really and interestign case if only because he is one of few hitters to come to Colorado in their prime, what is really interesting is that he was practically the same hitter at altitude that he was in Wisconsin. A slight bump in ISO a slight drop in BB%
    His Road splits tell an interesting story that never seems to be explored by people who discount Rockies players numbers here is a guy who sees a tremendous home numbers spike (1000+OPS in 2000) but sees his road numbers plummet for an overall effect of having his numbers look about identical to the year before.
    .350/.404/.548 .951
    .289/.371/.436 .807
    .329/.409/.469 .878
    .300/.375/.454 .828
    .239/.299/.329 .628
    .266/.327/.383 .710

    Comment by Mr. wOBAto — January 31, 2011 @ 12:17 am

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