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  1. Is Jose Lopez still on Colorado?

    Comment by Sean — February 7, 2011 @ 1:08 pm

  2. Eric Young Jr.? Did he just fall off the map?

    Comment by Jason — February 7, 2011 @ 1:09 pm

  3. Free Eric Young Jr!

    Comment by Shizane — February 7, 2011 @ 1:10 pm

  4. Given the Rockies place on the win-curve, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them to acquire Michael Young.. ignoring the cost of the player and just hoping to cash in on those +2wins a year. Especially since he can/will play both 2B/3B.

    I agree that Figgins is the other guy that really makes sense for them but I don’t think the Mariners want to trade him at this point in time so Young might be the only guy on the table they’re interested in at this point

    Comment by Jim Lahey — February 7, 2011 @ 1:18 pm

  5. I’m a bit confused here. Aren’t we stating that 1 WAR ~ $4 or more in the current economic environment? If one is assuming 3 WAR per year, shouldn’t that be 36m rather than 33m?

    I mean, I wouldn’t dispute 33m as total value, given that Young is likely to experience some steady decline in skills (i.e. 3 WAR per season for 3 seasons is quite optimistic). But I am just wondering what figures we’re using for $/WAR equivalency to end up with these values.

    Comment by B N — February 7, 2011 @ 1:32 pm

  6. Assume a half win decline per year and there ya go

    Comment by Jim Lahey — February 7, 2011 @ 1:38 pm

  7. Why get us Mets fans excited for nothin’? And yeah I did laugh when you suggested it. They might not have to trade anything, just wait till the end of ST when he gets released.

    Comment by Guy — February 7, 2011 @ 1:55 pm

  8. Chris Nelson too much of a long shot?

    Comment by DWrek — February 7, 2011 @ 2:02 pm

  9. Your kidding me. What about Lopez, Nelson, and EYJ.

    Comment by Matt — February 7, 2011 @ 2:06 pm

  10. Maybe he’ll end up at 3rd?

    Comment by DavidCEisen — February 7, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

  11. Quite the oversights Joe. Eric Young Jr got a lot of PT last season at 2B and would have gotten more if not for a broken leg. Chris Nelson is a former 1st round pick who had a very good season in AAA last year and could warrant a spot. And of course, the leader in the clubhouse as a starter, Jose Lopez. There’s a lot more competition for 2B than Jonathan Herrera, who might not even make the team.

    Comment by Andrew T. Fisher — February 7, 2011 @ 2:15 pm

  12. Did Wigginton die or something? He should be the opening day 2b. They have about 3 or 4 options you didn’t mention better then most of the ones you did. Fangraphs needs to do some more homework on the Rox.

    Comment by Griggs — February 7, 2011 @ 2:36 pm

  13. I d’know, man: not sure how many wins Wiggy loses fielding second, but it’s more than zero. You don’t want him on second for too long, though his bat plays well there.

    Comment by Let's Go O's — February 7, 2011 @ 2:41 pm

  14. Dave Cameron often cites around $5M per win. So I don’t know how 9 WAR (the article states 3 WAR/year average) over 3 seasons adds up to $33M.

    Am I missing something?

    Comment by Lewis — February 7, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

  15. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson Betemit did get the bulk of playing time at third, but lately around the web, I keep reading he will have the 3B job. It’s simply not true. The organization is on record that Mike Aviles will start at third.

    If it was me, Betemit would be at third and Aviles second, but that’s a whole separate issue.

    Comment by evanbrunell — February 7, 2011 @ 2:54 pm

  16. that’s not what the article says:
    “If we assume an average of 3 WAR per season — one season above, one season at, and one season below — he’ll provide around $33 million in value.”
    so he is not taking off the .5 WAR/year that you cite. at young’s age, he thinks that young has not yet hit decline phase. the actual cost per marginal win on the FA market is closer to 5mil than 4mil right now. so i see his value as being closer to 45million over 3 years if joe’s prediction holds, which is only overpaying by 3mil. of course, i don’t think that MY will be that good for the next 3 years, nor do i think it makes sense to trade anything of any value for a guy getting paid at the FA market rate (especially with how bloated it’s become).

    Comment by phoenix2042 — February 7, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

  17. that sounds a whole lot like an explanation of michael young… except for, you know, a LOT cheaper.

    Comment by phoenix2042 — February 7, 2011 @ 3:04 pm

  18. thought the same thing. even at 4mil per win times 3 wins you get 12 mil per year times 3 years= 36million. where is this 33 coming from? that assumes a 3.67mil/win market price… which is just patently untrue.

    Comment by phoenix2042 — February 7, 2011 @ 3:07 pm

  19. The Royals seem committed to seeing just how terrible Chris Getz can be over a full season, as if his .252/.315/.320 and negative defense over 670 PA doesn’t already answer that question.

    Comment by Dan Greer — February 7, 2011 @ 3:18 pm

  20. I neglected to mention that if the Royals were looking to trade Aviles, they’d start him at SS, provided his arm can handle it, and send Alcides Escobar down for a bit to suspend his arbitration clock (assuming he has options left).

    Comment by Dan Greer — February 7, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

  21. I thought the going value for every WAR was 5 million? Seem like some faulty math was used here in deducing the worth of young…

    Comment by Tom — February 7, 2011 @ 3:54 pm

  22. given that young has been playing third, what would the move to second do to his projected WAR? doesn’t second have a greater adjustment for offensive production given the incredible dearth?

    Comment by miffleball — February 7, 2011 @ 4:15 pm

  23. Ha. I don’t disagree with that assessment of Wiggy, but you nailed it. He’s a homeless man’s MY (to borrow a Simmons-ism) but at a fraction of the cost.

    Comment by Jason B — February 7, 2011 @ 4:31 pm

  24. This is the worst story ive ever ready on fangraphs. A bit odd if you ask me. All the talk on herrer when he isnt even the top 2 or 3 options at 2nd. And the war… Ill stop there. Sheesh. Someone needs a crash course on the Col infield

    Comment by AJ — February 7, 2011 @ 6:24 pm

  25. Wigginton?

    Comment by Sam — February 7, 2011 @ 8:24 pm

  26. “Why would they trade players in order to take on an overpaid player?”
    Yeah, the’re not the Angels…

    Comment by patmccaw — February 8, 2011 @ 12:54 am

  27. Yes, but given how poor of a defender (at least by UZR) Young is, it’s likely that most of that gain would be wiped out by moving to a more demanding position.

    Comment by patmccaw — February 8, 2011 @ 1:02 am

  28. Here’s the problem with Michael Young and looking at his “average WAR”.

    His fielding has been consistent, ranging from -4 to -7, which in UZR is very consistent.

    His batting runs over the last 4 years are, 6.7, -1.1, 25.3, and 5.4

    So, which Michael Young are you going to get? The one that’s 6 runs? Or the incredible outlier 25?

    Odds are that it is the 6 batting run variety, and -5 fielding run.

    I wouldn’t trade for that AND take on contract. With him you’re no longer acquiring the talented young SS … but a highly paid, aging 3B/2B that’s a little better than average with the bat, and little below average with the glove.

    Last year, Eckstein was -5 Batting Runs and +6 Fielding. So, he could give you the same value as MYoung at 2B for a lot less.

    Personally, I cannot believe Young is only “this” valuable. I would have vastly over-rated him.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — February 8, 2011 @ 9:19 am

  29. What, Stewart?

    Comment by Andrew T. Fisher — February 8, 2011 @ 9:25 am

  30. I read until “so the Rockies have only Jonathan Herrera”. Then, Ctrl+F: “Eric”.

    Comment by sean — February 8, 2011 @ 9:47 am

  31. Was I watching the same EY as the other fans in this blog. There is no position in baseball for REALLY FAST GUY DOWN THE FIRST BASE LINE IF HE HAPPENS TO GET A HIT AND THEN DOESN’T GET PICKED OFF FOR LACK OF CONCENTRATION AND WHEN ON DEFENSE CAN’T FIELD HIS POSITION. ,and that’s just his upside.Please take a shot Rockies and elevate the team to a true contender again. It was so much fun when the team was fabulous. We are just a few ticks from being there again but need players like Michael Young and Wiggington to finish the picture. It cannot be accomplished with Ey or Herrera and will still take some luck regarding Ianetta and Stewart OK you know what to do now do IT.

    Comment by Gary — February 8, 2011 @ 10:30 am

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