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  1. This sounds incredible!

    Comment by BringVottoHome — February 14, 2011 @ 1:04 pm

  2. No words

    Comment by tbad — February 14, 2011 @ 1:04 pm

  3. This sounds incredible. Count me in!

    Comment by Andrew Kneeland — February 14, 2011 @ 1:05 pm

  4. :-O

    Comment by jason — February 14, 2011 @ 1:06 pm

  5. this is pretty remarkable (on a number of levels!)

    Comment by dooberfig — February 14, 2011 @ 1:09 pm

  6. Underwhelming, in my opinion. Pay-to-play and auction only? I’ll stick with Yahoo.

    Comment by CSJ — February 14, 2011 @ 1:11 pm

  7. It’s a year-round auction keeper. So it does something that Yahoo doesn’t. Your league page will be up all year, and it keeps track of all of your players for you.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — February 14, 2011 @ 1:16 pm

  8. When do sign ups start?

    Comment by jwfisher86 — February 14, 2011 @ 1:17 pm

  9. When/where can we sign up?

    Comment by CajoleJuice — February 14, 2011 @ 1:18 pm

  10. I already signed up. But can’t join a league or create my own. I’m sure it’ll update at some point.

    Comment by JDiddyEsquire — February 14, 2011 @ 1:19 pm

  11. Hmm…I currently have about 5 spare minutes a day…can I fit this in those minutes?

    Comment by filihok — February 14, 2011 @ 1:19 pm

  12. Same story here. I think I created a league and it let me create my team to be in it, but I can’t find it anywhere. It came out of my PayPal, so I guess it’s working somewhere?

    Comment by McCarroll21 — February 14, 2011 @ 1:21 pm

  13. Opening day hiccup, this will be fixed pretty soon.

    Comment by David Appelman — February 14, 2011 @ 1:22 pm

  14. sounds great. on another note, David, are you still working on the auction valuation tool (similar to Last Player Picked) or has that been abandoned?

    Comment by Ken — February 14, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

  15. joining a league is very broken.

    I keep getting a white page that just says ‘false’

    Comment by Phegan — February 14, 2011 @ 1:34 pm

  16. Is there any way to do the scoring H2H? I’ve long looked forward to a league that does linear weight based scoring but offers H2H format on a daily or 3-day “series” basis. If you can figure out how to make that happen, it’s worth paying for a new fantasy interface.

    Comment by Zach Piso — February 14, 2011 @ 1:38 pm

  17. Haven’t checked out the fantasy site yet but one of the best parts of my cbs league is the integrated chat feature, that sits below the live scoreboard for the days games. It truly makes the fantasy season and is not the same as telling everyone in your league to log into g_chat. Something to think about.

    Comment by verd14 — February 14, 2011 @ 1:39 pm

  18. Since I don’t know many people that are as into fantasy baseball as I am, and I am sure there are others like me, maybe the Admin should set up Public leagues for people to join? Another idea — An area were players can blog amongst themselves, so the articles aren’t spammed with people looking for joiners to their leagues or other such stuff.

    Comment by Kyle — February 14, 2011 @ 1:39 pm

  19. live chat on cbs baseball is the reason I won’t get an Ipad (no flash). literally.

    Comment by Ken — February 14, 2011 @ 1:43 pm

  20. droid works.

    Comment by verd14 — February 14, 2011 @ 1:48 pm

  21. I’m signed up, but it won’t let me create a league at the moment. Is this a known technical issue, or am I just being a fool?

    Comment by VivaAyala — February 14, 2011 @ 1:51 pm

  22. absolutely incredible…love that this is year-round

    Comment by chy924 — February 14, 2011 @ 1:55 pm

  23. Hi guys,

    I’m really happy to see the response to this game so far, and I hope over the next few days I’ll make a compelling argument for why ottoneu Fantasy Baseball is an awesome game to play.

    I know more than a few of you have run into some technical hiccups on day one, and I’ve done everything I can to make sure that if you tried to create a team or a league immediately, you should now have that team or league. However, if some of you are still having problems, please email me at so I can step you through the sign-up process and make sure that the issues are not on the ottoneu side of things.

    Thanks again for the great response!

    Comment by nivshah — February 14, 2011 @ 1:55 pm

  24. THAT is the reason you won’t get an Ipad?

    Comment by Matt — February 14, 2011 @ 2:00 pm

  25. This was a javascript bug on ottoneu’s side, and has been resolved. Sorry about the inconvenience!

    Comment by nivshah — February 14, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

  26. If I say “I’m with Jeff Gross”, does that get me anything?

    As a commissioner of a year round league that uses Yahoo! the fact that it goes dark for several months makes my life significantly harder. You guys are definitely on to something here.

    Comment by Brad Johnson — February 14, 2011 @ 2:11 pm

  27. Maybe regional based leagues could be created as well… I feel a little intimidated looking at all the public leagues and not knowing anybody else well enough to just join up.

    Comment by Adam — February 14, 2011 @ 2:18 pm

  28. I’m reluctant to join a public league where I do not know the managers; to the extent that I don’t want to invest time and have half the league bail after year 1 (or worse, earlier). Is there a private league I can join, or other mechanism to prevent this?

    Comment by Mike610 — February 14, 2011 @ 2:18 pm

  29. While we do have some interesting things in the works to minimize year over year turnover and keep leagues together for the long haul, there is also an option to create private leagues that are password protected, so that you can play with a trusted set of friends.

    Hope that helps!

    Comment by nivshah — February 14, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

  30. We will have ‘celebrity’ commissioners that will allow you to play with a writer that you may read.

    Also, if you create a league, you can rename the league to provide hints to those that follow. So the power is in your hands. Just not sure a ton of people will play in the PowerRangers4Eva league…

    Comment by Eno Sarris — February 14, 2011 @ 2:34 pm

  31. I am in. are other people in the commentariat in? We could make our own league collectively…

    Comment by TheUnrepentantGunner — February 14, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

  32. I’m definitely down to join an existing pay league with some serious, fun, and knowledgeable GMs:

    Played a little college ball at Univ. of Wash, started I Love Baseball (, run, die-hard Mariners fan, not a SABR expert but def understand, love/play Baseball Mogul, currently live/work in Silicon Valley, and am right now playing in a WAR-based league over at ESPN. Looking to step-up my SABR game.

    If you’ve started a league and it has some solid players, then please ping me on e-mail with a quick description of what it is you’re trying to do and I may just join ya: beisbol08 at gmail

    Comment by chrisamccoy — February 14, 2011 @ 3:05 pm

  33. David — any leagues you recommend to join? I’m looking for an existing pay league with some serious, fun, and knowledgeable GMs:

    Played a little college ball at Univ. of Wash, started I Love Baseball (, run, die-hard Mariners fan, not a SABR expert but def understand, love/play Baseball Mogul, currently live/work in Silicon Valley, and am right now playing in a WAR-based league over at ESPN. Looking to step-up my SABR game.

    If you know of a couple off-hand, please shoot me an e-mail. It’s really hard to decipher what the good leagues are in current UX over on their site. E-mail is beisbol08 at gmail

    Comment by chrisamccoy — February 14, 2011 @ 3:08 pm

  34. Whenver the kinks get worked out (I cant create a league right now for some reason), I will make a league, called Ed Wade’s Proteges

    I will make the league private with a passcode of OMAR

    it will be the classic 5×5 setup people are used to, and it will make Yuniesky (slightly) more useful!

    Comment by TheUnrepentantGunner — February 14, 2011 @ 3:26 pm

  35. I like the direction these guys are heading, but the constitution is just an abortion, and the fact that they are getting $200 per league and awarding nothing in prizes is a total scam. I hope the idea is succesful, because after a few seasons of trial and error, they could have one hell of a league manager tool, and the fangraphs integration will certainly be awesome, but as of now, I see no reason to abandon our current ESPN hosted league with our own constitution and intircacies.

    Comment by Rob — February 14, 2011 @ 3:28 pm

  36. Please e-mail me at and let me know what issues you are having with league creation.

    Comment by Niv Shah — February 14, 2011 @ 3:31 pm

  37. Niv i did that about 19 minutes before your comment.


    Comment by TheUnrepentantGunner — February 14, 2011 @ 3:42 pm

  38. ok, ok, I get it… I’ll delete my PowerRangers4Eva league… maybe someone would want to join ILovePurpleDinosaurs :-)

    Comment by Adam D — February 14, 2011 @ 3:45 pm

  39. I like the scoring format and the chance to get involved with a more serious/knowledgeable group of owners than I might otherwise in joining some random Yahoo league. One question I have is how is the auction conducted – is it something that can take place on-line over a period of days or is it a one time, everybody log on and conduct the auction?

    If its a one time event, any way to find out when that will be for each league? I’ve got some very specific windows of time when I could squeeze one in and I would want to know that before committing to a league.

    Comment by Matt_in_CO — February 14, 2011 @ 3:48 pm

  40. I’ll be writing a bit more about this in the coming days, but to answer your question, the auction draft is run through some online software I wrote, and there is an ability to pause and restart the auction at any time, for the convenience of each league’s owners.

    Comment by Niv Shah — February 14, 2011 @ 3:53 pm

  41. Rob, I’m always looking for ways to improve the game’s rules, and if there are rules you have a particular disagreement with, please e-mail me at and let me know.

    Comment by Niv Shah — February 14, 2011 @ 3:54 pm

  42. Cool – thanks!!

    Comment by Matt_in_CO — February 14, 2011 @ 4:05 pm

  43. slow drafts please.. perhaps at the discretion of the commissioner? After paying I noticed something in the rules about drafts generally taking place the Saturday before the season starts.

    Flexibility would be key here as many of us compete in longstanding leagues that also draft at the same date/time.

    Comment by Latos Intolerant — February 14, 2011 @ 4:09 pm

  44. I’m still getting that same error.

    Comment by rogue_actuary — February 14, 2011 @ 4:09 pm

  45. How do we know which owner is our league commissioner? How do we contact them about the auction? If we need patience, that’s all good, I’ll wait. Thanks for your help Niv.


    Comment by ronjba — February 14, 2011 @ 7:11 pm

  46. Leagues might have multiple commissioners, as commissioners have the power to add other commissioners. If you go through the various team pages for your league, you should see the owners that are commissioners denoted as such. This is something I added just recently.

    Comment by Niv Shah — February 14, 2011 @ 7:19 pm

  47. I don’t really like having minor league players, there’s no real way to evaluate how good they’ll eventually be, other than reports. Plus they all play in different leagues, further influencing their performances. Too much guess work and luck involved there, plus the extra preparation it requires.

    Comment by Shauntell — February 14, 2011 @ 7:34 pm

  48. Great – I’m in. I’ll keep an eye on the leagues and jump in when you get set up.

    Comment by Matt_in_CO — February 14, 2011 @ 9:35 pm

  49. I’d be interested in joining a private league with serious owners. Please email me at if there’s an opening.

    Comment by Mike610 — February 14, 2011 @ 9:44 pm

  50. Question: What is the point of a FG league that scores 5×5?

    Comment by Mario Mendoza — February 15, 2011 @ 9:15 am

  51. To anyone playing 5×5: WTF. This is FanGraphs. This is sabermetrics. This is where you go BEYOND traditional, uninformative stats. Why would you come HERE to play 5×5??

    Let go of the RBIs. Put down the wins. You can do it. It’s going to be alright.

    Comment by Mario Mendoza — February 15, 2011 @ 9:20 am

  52. becuase its sort of fun to have slightly irrelevant stats, and besides, we all can do a pretty good job of figuring out who might have the best wOBA, but it then is fun to see Ichiro’s high wOBA wasted on the pathetic mariners or take some mediocre player (michael young?) put up lots of big counting stats on the Rangers…

    Comment by TheUnrepentantGunner — February 15, 2011 @ 10:47 am

  53. you conveyed your sentiment a few posts earlier..let go of the hate…

    Comment by Mike610 — February 15, 2011 @ 12:59 pm

  54. Almost but not quite…It looks great, but +2 per year per player is just horrible. It means you get to keep everyone forever-you get a guy early and you get his entire career way below market value. If you drafted Albert Pujols as a rookie which would have been a lucky pick more than anything, you’d still only have to pay $21 for him this year. That’s just insane! You need to make players available to be kept for a few years. Any system that allows you to keep players this long, is going to be a disaster (and it’s not just Pujols who was a bit of an exception), if you drafted, say Austin Jackson when he became a good (but not fabulous) prospect (2008), you won’t be paying market value for about another 10 years. If you draft a prospect who flops, you’ve only spent, a few dollars on him so it’s not a big loss.If you want to make it a steady increase you have to increase it by a minimum of +5 a year. I personally prefer an incremental keeper value (+3, +6, +9, and so on).

    Comment by Gabriel — February 15, 2011 @ 6:35 pm

  55. As one of the legacy users of the game I can re-emphasize that what you mention is why you have the vote-off/arbitration rule, where the league votes to send one player from each team to the auction each year (but the owner gets a “home-town discount” of $5 if they resign them in the auction).

    Perhaps not surprisingly, guys from our league who were held below market last season and have now been voted off include: Gallardo, Choo, Heyward, Bautista, Chacin, Stanton, Price, Cano, CarGo, Latos and Posey. You’ll have a hard time naming many other huge breakout guys not on this list, so I think the system works pretty (and probably too) well.

    Lastly, the other thing to consider is that MLB teams routinely have hugely successful young players at below market prices for many years up until their arbitration years. Look at Joey Votto – for his ’08/’09/’10 seasons he was paid 390K/438K/525K a total of about 1.4M for putting up 16 WAR. Our league has toyed with other iterations (higher fixed increases, percentage increases, tiered increases, etc.), but have found this works best I think.

    Comment by jpjazzman — February 15, 2011 @ 8:18 pm

  56. There are definitely many different ways to make a keeper league better and your way works. (There are also leagues that sign players to contracts which means you might get them at a discount, but might have to pay a bust.) Major league teams get young players at discounts for years, but if they succeed, really only a few years (Votto will get $5.5 million, $9.5 million, $17.5 million over the next three years and then hit free agency). The other important difference is that teams have to pay players. They can’t just cut them when they are under-performing compared to their cost. Because most fantasy options don’t have this, I think there should be a higher cost of actually keeping the players you want. In any event, I don’t mind keeping players cheaply for a few years. I think that time period is about right and it is what many systems ensure (say +5 every year or an incremental increase of +3, +6,+9, etc..). If you had drafted Votto at $7 as a rookie using the incremental system, you’d get him at $10, $16, $25 over the last three years. Still excellent bargains every year but he starts to get expensive this year. But if you do the fangraph +2 every year you’d have had him for $7, $9, $11, and $13. To keep him this year would only cost you $15. That’s just absurd. You could keep him his entire career and never pay anything close to market value.

    There’s an old hardball times article on designing the perfect league that is worth a read and the comments give many good ideas as well. (

    Regardless, I think anybody who has ever played in a keeper league would find a mere yearly $2 increase a very bad idea.

    Comment by Gabriel — February 15, 2011 @ 11:20 pm

  57. Gabriel –

    With your point about Votto being at $7, 9, 11, 13 though you are ignoring the fact that he would have likely been put through the Ottoneu arbitration process in one of his first seasons, and seen his salary likely moved to the $30-$40 range. In fact, Votto was an arbitration case in our league after our 2009 season when his salary was <$10 and he was put into the draft and saw his salary increase to $31 for last season. There are only 1-2 players that this applies to on each team usually per season and the arbitration process we've found to be very successful at maintaining a balance.

    Also regarding your point about teams not being able to just cut under-performing guys, it is important to note that in Ottoneu, you retain 50% of the salary of any player cut against your cap space for the year (ie. you cut a $8 guy, you can only use $4 to go out and sign a free agent, etc.)

    Comment by jpjazzman — February 16, 2011 @ 8:49 am

  58. Sorry Jazzman, missed about the arbitration process. I still don’t think it’s nearly enough though to have one player out of 40 in this process. I think other systems get the balance much better and would like to see other options available.

    Comment by Gabriel — February 16, 2011 @ 5:29 pm

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