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  1. Is it possible McCutchen’s UZR is messed up due to that weird Pirates shift they have going ? SSS and all, but his Away UZR was -2.8 (close to average), but his Home UZR was -25.3, or close to horrible.

    Maybe after adjusting for the shift, his UZR goes back to average?

    Comment by bill — March 3, 2011 @ 4:47 pm

  2. Just because of position maybe Santana and Posey too?

    Comment by dan woytek — March 3, 2011 @ 4:56 pm

  3. Pujols made $16M per and still is near the top of this list. That’s nuts.

    Comment by Rick — March 3, 2011 @ 5:00 pm

  4. I’ve watched some Pirate games last summer and I’ve seen McCutchen make errors on pretty routine flyballs. It was pretty embarrassing. I feel he definitely has room to improve.

    Comment by tserich — March 3, 2011 @ 5:13 pm

  5. Andres Torres is over the 7.5 WAR threshold but not on the list (most likely because he does not have enough PA’s to qualify)

    Comment by Evan — March 3, 2011 @ 5:16 pm

  6. You might want to mention that this list only contains position players.

    Comment by perfectstrat — March 3, 2011 @ 5:27 pm

  7. truth.

    Comment by phoenix2042 — March 3, 2011 @ 5:50 pm

  8. as a giants fan, I’m really interested to see what torres can do this year. He was really awesome, and perhaps even more than Huff he was the star that got them to the post-season; but I’m expecting some regression. teams might pitch to him differently, or he might miss some time or not run as well.

    he definitely belongs on this list. I’m pretty sure he made the minimum last 2 yrs.

    Comment by brendan — March 3, 2011 @ 6:34 pm

  9. Any chance of a list containing the highest surplus value for entire lengths of contracts? Having stars before they’re arbitration eligible is great and pretty interesting, but I’d be curious to see which organizations were able to lock up players the most effectively for longer commitments. To me that’s really where surplus value is impressive.

    Comment by mlstarr — March 3, 2011 @ 7:04 pm

  10. Players like McCutchen are the guys who make me skeptical about the accuracy of UZR, or just about any other advanced fielding metric. I acknowledge that the “eyeball test” is susceptible to several different forms of bias but I’ve watched a ton of baseball over the years and my eyes tell me that McCutchen is a very good centerfielder.

    Comment by CubsFan — March 3, 2011 @ 7:16 pm

  11. I understand why war is set to a price but has anyone ever created a standard payroll (say $100M) and players who sign with teams who spend above that standard have their contracts adjusted for “inflation”. Since the majority of stars are “underpayed” except 3 yankees I imagine that the going rate conversion rate of war to salary is overstated.

    Comment by adam — March 3, 2011 @ 7:33 pm

  12. Zack Grienke and Justin Verlander just called to say that they were both better players than Evan Longoria in 2009-2010. Cliff Lee and Felix Hernandez would like you to re-write the list to remind everyone that they’ve been ridiculous values for the last few seasons.

    Comment by philosofool — March 3, 2011 @ 7:54 pm

  13. Just position players on this list.

    Comment by Giantsnative — March 3, 2011 @ 8:06 pm

  14. The question is “why?”

    Comment by philosofool — March 3, 2011 @ 8:11 pm

  15. “To start, here’s a list of every player in the majors who produced 7.5 or more WAR over the last two seasons, along with their WAR Dollars, actual salaries, and the difference.” It’s not as though it’s presented as position players only.

    Comment by philosofool — March 3, 2011 @ 8:12 pm

  16. I think Gio Gonzalez has a real chance to be on this list. He is a good lefty and this looks like it will be a breakout year for him. He was untouchable in his first spring start (I know, I know – meaningless) but scouts too have reported he just looks great this year.

    Comment by David Wishinsky — March 3, 2011 @ 8:53 pm

  17. Zimmermann makes just under $10 million and he is third!! Higher than pujols

    Comment by kick me in the GO NATS — March 4, 2011 @ 4:25 am

  18. I don’t think you understand the WAR to dollar conversion.

    Comment by joser — March 4, 2011 @ 5:12 am

  19. Zim made <10 mil in TWO years. Pujols made 32 mil in the same time period.

    Comment by ToddM — March 4, 2011 @ 6:09 am

  20. I was expecting a Mr. Kershaw, but apparently you are anti-hurlers.

    Comment by Matty Brown — March 4, 2011 @ 7:39 am

  21. Did Brett Gardner miss for a rounding error? If I go to his player page he has 2.1 WAR in 2009 and 5.4 last year. And he provided north of $30M in surplus value.

    Comment by Mike K — March 4, 2011 @ 8:02 am

  22. I’ve talked to MGL about outfielder positioning in the past. Basically, a weird shift ‘should’ still cancel itself out as the player catches balls that he otherwise should not have and misses balls that should have been gimme’s. It’s still possible for a shift to cause those massively negative numbers, but that would mean that it’s a terrible strategy.

    Comment by Brad Johnson — March 4, 2011 @ 9:03 am

  23. Jon Lester

    11.9 WAR: 50.9 million in Value – 4.75 million salary = 46.15 million surplus

    Comment by CampBrice — March 4, 2011 @ 10:07 am

  24. Just so you know, Longoria has made about 500,000 per year…10% of the real going rate. Most trade value in the history of the game?

    Comment by Tim — March 4, 2011 @ 10:36 am

  25. I could be wrong, but if these are suppose to be the 2010 salaries for these players, didn’t Joe Mauer make like $12M last year? I thought his extension did start until this year.

    Comment by Mike — March 4, 2011 @ 1:50 pm

  26. DRS also has him as poor, though it rates his arm much better than UZR.

    Total Zone has him slightly below average.

    Comment by AA — March 4, 2011 @ 11:40 pm

  27. I think he has none, unless he shifts to SS.

    Or C.

    Or 3B.

    Or LF.

    Or…or…

    Comment by Jason B — March 5, 2011 @ 1:27 am

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