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  1. Brian Giles is our best player?

    Comment by Adrian Gonzalez — April 21, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

  2. That conclusion seems hasty to me. Giles has been terrible, yeah, but almost everyone else (Hundley, Gonzalez, Eckstein, Rodriguez, Gerut) has been seriously overperforming, which seems to me to more than balance out. When things even out, you’ve got Giles playing much better, but all those guys playing considerably worse (or less great, in Adrian’s case), and I think they turn out basically the way we all thought they would.

    Comment by Bill — April 21, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

  3. In 2008, he was.

    Comment by marcello — April 21, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

  4. Adrian Gonzalez?

    Comment by Mr. Derp — April 21, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

  5. I’m also not sure why it’s so utterly impossible that a 38 y.o. player could just suddenly lose it. Unlikely, certainly, but not unheard of. I’m certainly saying he’s toast, but I’m not sure why we exclude the possibility.

    Comment by Kevin S. — April 21, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

  6. Giles is probably just throwing games until he gets enough money to pay off his wife for spousal abuse.

    Okay I don’t actually believe that, and he’ll turn things around soon but he’s been terrible this year. I wonder if his off the field issues have anything to do with his struggles

    Comment by Brett — April 21, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

  7. You’re on a site where you can easily look this up yourself:

    Comment by marcello — April 21, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

  8. Worst player in baseball?

    Man, after watching 14 games of Cody Ransom I find that hard to believe. :p

    Comment by Keith — April 22, 2009 @ 9:15 am

  9. But in 2006 and 2007 Gonzalez had a higher wOBA, Giles is aging, Gonzalez coming into his prime, etc. That Giles abysmal season has continued and Gonzalez has been incredible gives me 20/20 hindsight, but I think this was true no matter what the 2008 stats say. Plus I am not sure uzr is the be all and end all. Plus Giles is a serious ass of a woman beater and all around moronic jock. OK, that was gratuitous.

    Giles was a very good player for a long time, with petco masking his worth, although petco alone was not wholly responsible for his power decline. And his babip is really awful this year. I’d say even given the 2008 wars, the idea he was their best player was incorrect.

    Comment by wobatus — June 12, 2009 @ 9:11 am

  10. Also, replacement level rf ws evidently lower than replacement levl 1b in 2008. I still think Gonzalez’s 24 more home runs is worth more than Giles’s 8 more doubles, etc. The o has to come from somewhere. The idea that just because Giles is that much better than a replacement level player in 2008 makes him the better player seems way too forest for the trees.

    Comment by wobatus — June 12, 2009 @ 9:19 am

  11. BTW, Gonzalez’s war was 3.3 in 2006 to Giles 1.1, and 3.9 to 3.3 in 2007. Over last 3 years, he was better. He sure is better now. That wsn’t that hard to guess was probable.

    Comment by wobatus — June 12, 2009 @ 9:39 am

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