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  1. The Indians netted Choo and Cabrera in separate trades. If memory serves, Cleveland traded Eduardo Perez for Cabrera. It was Ben Broussard who was dealt for Choo.

    Comment by dwhit110 — April 12, 2011 @ 3:20 pm

  2. Eh. They happened within a month of each other. Might as well have been the same trade.

    Comment by Joe Pawlikowski — April 12, 2011 @ 3:24 pm

  3. Especially since they made up the indians first base platoon at the time. I still don’t understand why Bavasi wanted them…

    Comment by AK707 — April 12, 2011 @ 3:59 pm

  4. Asdrubal has made a specific change in his batting approach, he used to choke up on the bat, but now he doesn’t do that and tries to make contact.

    In the past, Cabrera has choked up on the bat and concentrated on putting the ball in play. In batting practice, however, he lets it rip. Newcomer Orlando Cabrera watched him in spring training and finally said something.

    The whole article goes into more depth, and a number of articles in that same several day span explored the topic as well. Another good one was

    Oh and Tribe fans have always considered the name of that platoon 1B that we traded to Seattle to be Benuardo, and got both Choo and Asdrubal back.

    Comment by KF — April 12, 2011 @ 4:17 pm

  5. Asdrubal has said he has changed his approach, he used to choke up on the bat a couple inches throughout the at bat, now he is swinging harder early on and only choking up if he gets 2 strikes. He said Orlando Cabrera and his hitting coach convinced him to make this change.

    Comment by isavage30 — April 12, 2011 @ 4:18 pm

  6. I think that it is safe to say that the Choo/Cabrera for Broussard/Perez trades were symptomatic of the problems that resulted in Bavasi getting fired.

    Comment by Brett Giblin — April 12, 2011 @ 4:19 pm

  7. Probably the same reason Bavasi thought it would be a good idea to have Adrian Beltre have about half his PAs in Safeco Field every year. Which is to say, we’ll probably never know.

    Comment by Justin Bailey — April 12, 2011 @ 4:55 pm

  8. ACab had 52 XBH (42/4/6) in 581 PA (an XBH every 11.2 PA) in 2009 as a 23 y.o. Now that his broken forearm has healed from 2010 and he’s added some muscle/bulk to his 6-ft, 180+lb body, I’m not surprised to see some of those doubles turn into HR. Especially since he’s taken a purposeful approach to swinging harder on some pitches. His current DP-mate OCab has suggested ACab can potentially hit 45 doubles and 15 HR in a season.

    To lend credence to OCab’s assertion, if ACab plays 150 games w/ an average of 4.61 PA/G in the #2 slot, he’ll have 691 PA. If he hits .280 w/ a very modest 7% BB/HBP/Sac rate per PA, he’ll have about 643 AB and 180 hits. If he gets on XBH every 10 PA, which isn’t unreasonable given is 2009 production and added power for 2011, he’d have 69 XBH, which could spread as 50/4/15 with 2-3 HR/mth the rest of 2011. That’s a .440 SLG and .160 ISO, neither of which is grossly higher than his minor league stats as a slender young player.

    Bottom line, I say don’t be surprised to see modest pop from ACab’s bat as time goes on.

    Comment by Bob B. — April 12, 2011 @ 5:09 pm

  9. But they weren’t the same trade … now I’m wondering what else about your posts you have “Eh’d” on.

    Comment by Editor — April 12, 2011 @ 5:49 pm

  10. Well, to give the author a bit of credit, to those of us who were following it at the time they certainly seemed to be related trades, or even one trade spread out over two transactions. Which made the whole thing make even less sense, because it looked like Bavasi got what he (for some insane reason) wanted by paying less in each trade but more overall, like some kind of Krazy Eddy installment plan.

    But they were indeed separate trades… not that it really matters.

    Comment by joser — April 12, 2011 @ 6:08 pm


    Comment by phoenix2042 — April 12, 2011 @ 6:21 pm

  12. That would be pretty awesome if that were true haha

    Comment by mmoritz22 — April 12, 2011 @ 6:45 pm

  13. Don’t forget Rafael Soriano for Horacio Ramirez!

    I can’t think of three trades that made me think “what the fuck are you doing, Bavasi?” more than those three.

    Comment by Sean — April 12, 2011 @ 8:47 pm

  14. Who is minusing this…? It was clearly just a joke!

    Comment by alskor — April 12, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

  15. What, the 5-for-1 Bedard trade isn’t more than a blip on your “fuck you, Bavasi” radar?

    I actually disliked the Cabrera trade more than the Choo trade at the time. The Choo trade seemed to be defensible, while the Cabrera trade was just plain lunacy.

    Comment by Nathaniel Dawson — April 12, 2011 @ 9:39 pm

  16. Both the original comment and joser’s odd rationalization above are totally incorrect.

    The trades were in no way related to one another except that the same two teams were involved. The first trade did not anticipate or require the second in any way.

    joser says that “those who were following” the trades at the time felt they were part of the same transaction. In fact, only those who were NOT following the actual transactions, but rather just sort of lazily browsing the transactions, could have seen it this way. They were, simply, not at all related.

    Comment by Jay Levin — April 12, 2011 @ 10:58 pm

  17. With all due respect, Al, it isn’t true that “no one expected” Cabrera to be a solid performer. In our coverage of the trade at LetsGoTribe, we made significant note of Cabrera’s impressive batting peripherals and defense, as well as the fact that he was extremely young at every level of the minors.

    In particular, Cabrera was the youngest player in Triple-A at age 20, which we discussed in a later piece. Two weeks later, in an “econometric” breakdown of the Indians farm system, Cabrera was deemed the team’s fourth best prospect.

    So, not to brag, but we did expect him to be a very good player and possibly a star. If anything, we’ve been surprised by his on-and-off defensive lapses.

    Comment by Jay Levin — April 12, 2011 @ 11:05 pm

  18. For what it’s worth, Cabrera had a .650 Power Factor in Spring Training, compared to his .386 career mark through last year. ST stats obviously don’t mean much in a vacuum and so far this year and his 1.077 PF blows his spring mark out of the water, but that helps the case for Cabrera actually developing a more powerful stroke.

    Comment by Lewie Pollis — April 13, 2011 @ 1:31 am

  19. I really don’t see him sustaining this. He’s just barely hitting them over the fence.

    Go have a look at, he’s not hitting them that far. 3 of his homers are of the “just enough” variety.

    Comment by Shauntell — April 13, 2011 @ 6:44 am

  20. Yeah, why let facts get in the way of a good story.

    Comment by 5KMD — April 13, 2011 @ 8:10 am

  21. The only one I saw was against Chatwood the other night. He absolutely smoked the ball to dead center. Hit tracker refers to this as a “just enough” HR. I refer to it as a bomb. Watch for yourselves, he hammers the pitch…..

    Comment by Kris — April 13, 2011 @ 9:32 am

  22. There is some irony watching the stats geeks struggle to account for a sudden change in a player, reaching way back to gather some minor league scouting reports. Do stats geek really rely on such old data points? Really?

    Try getting some new scouting reports on the guy, that is the most important data in the entire story……(yes scouting reports are data).

    There is a wide shortage of Major League scouting reports. Many players change in the Majors, makes sense, because the best coaching is typically at that level. and players simply have to adjust to the incredible talent level. Yet, here we are, dusting off old scouting reports. I get they have value in seeing what was said then, but the question about Cabrera today has to do with what is different in 2011…….

    Comment by LionoftheSenate — April 13, 2011 @ 11:45 am

  23. I remember seeing Andruw Jones playing third base at a Braves game when Chipper Jones went down with a fatal virus. That was my favorite game ever! I saw Andruw dive for a ball and throw to first base. His throw was so high it went in the stands and so Andruw got tossed from the game by the umpire

    Comment by Joe Nathan — April 13, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

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