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  1. The 7th paragraph should say the Mets already have a good 1B

    Comment by Scott — May 5, 2011 @ 11:36 am

  2. Everyone in New York has to know the Mets are already playing for next year right? Their owner is looking to get some financial help, several mega contracts come off the books, Santana could be fully healthy by opening day. They should try and get as much as they can for Reyes and keep Wright.

    Comment by Ryan — May 5, 2011 @ 11:38 am

  3. I agree with Ryan. The age-old argument for “bringing butts to the seats” is overrated. Their attendance is already bad anyway, as fans know this team is not going anywhere. Keep Wright and they still have a “face” if that means anything.

    Comment by EliMarrero — May 5, 2011 @ 11:48 am

  4. I am still hoping reyes continues hitting and stays healthy all year and it convinces Alderson to invest in him. No way mets get enough in return, already Giants have Wheeler and not much else, who else is giving up anything to get Reyes, AL east is pretty much out, maybe the Angles and StL has history of giving up top prospects for rentals, I’d sign up for Shelby Miller and… and nothing, but I doubt that. Also dont see a huge market for Reyes in 2012, besides Angels, SF and Mets….no way Phillie or Atl. Yanks not replacing jeter w/ reyes even if Jeter SLG .290 and grounds into 68 DPs. Bos has Lowrie and Iglesis, Tor has Adeiny and Escobar, Balt has Machado….maybe Det in 2012 or NAts make another splash?

    Comment by Vinny — May 5, 2011 @ 11:55 am

  5. But is a top flight shortstop the way to go here? How about trading Wright? Now there’s a gambit for yeah. Would the Mets get better return on wright than on a Reyes deal? Or how about trading both of them and radically changing the team?

    As for Reyes, the Mets need to get, at least, three excellent prospects back. What other teams besides the Giants have a farm system busting with such prospects? Those are the teams the Mets need to contact. How about the Yankees? They have a catcher, Montero, and pitching prospects that might entice some interest. But then Jeter would have to switch to DHing and what would the Yankees do with Posada?

    Comment by Jose — May 5, 2011 @ 12:04 pm

  6. Ryan- You got is backwards…The Mets should keep Reyes and trade Wright. But I don’t think they’ll get much for Wright.

    Reyes is one of the best SS in baseball right now (I say he’s #3 overall). Reyes can hit for average and power, he can run and play great D. There is nobody in the Mets system or via free agency that could come close to replacing what Reyes does on either side of the ball. We want to trade the best SS we’ve ever had and one of the best Mets players ever because we don’t want to give him a 6mil raise?

    Wright on the other hand is a good player, but he’s probably not even the 3rd best 3rd baseman in his own division. He K’s way too much and his glove is overrated. Unlike Reyes, the Mets do have several potential players who’d fit in at 3rd.

    I’m sick of people assuming that Reyes isn’t a “Sandy type player” because his OBP isn’t above .380 just because some fat ass, no nothing host of a crappy radio show says so.

    If you compare Reyes to the rest of the shortstops in baseball…his OBP is slightly better than average and his other numbers are near the top of the list and much better than the average player. But no, the NY sports hacks are right, Alderson only cares if a player draws walks.

    Comment by USMF — May 5, 2011 @ 12:05 pm

  7. The article and previous comments are all from the Mets’ point of view, showing the usual NY bias.
    The Giants would not give up Zach Wheeler, their top prospect if Brandon Belt doesn’t count, for a partial season of Reyes. Even Sabean isn’t that stupid or, if he is, he would not dare do it for the negative reaction from fans and media.

    Comment by GiantHusker — May 5, 2011 @ 12:09 pm

  8. Yes the article was written from the Mets perspective. It’s certainly possible the Giants won’t give up Wheeler – there’s not much else in the cupboard – but if they don’t, then they really won’t get Reyes.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — May 5, 2011 @ 12:11 pm

  9. The more intriguing prospect, if you’re the Mets, might be Eric Surkamp out of AA Richmond, along with a couple other prospects like Thomas Neal.

    I think there’s practically zero chance the Giants trade Wheeler or Belt, especially for a 3 month rentaplayer.

    Comment by Andrew — May 5, 2011 @ 12:29 pm

  10. That’s a defensible stance for sure – but then the deal is ‘built’ around an outfielder again, since Neal would be the highest-rated prospect. That doesn’t seem super exciting to a team who’s system looks like the Mets’ does.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — May 5, 2011 @ 12:31 pm

  11. Did Rush Limbaugh really say that Reyes isn’t a “Sandy type player”, lol?

    Comment by Ralphie — May 5, 2011 @ 12:39 pm

  12. True, but my comment was more focused on a pitcher like Eric Surkamp as the centerpiece, even though he’s not tantalizing like Wheeler, he’s a lefty posting ridiculous K rates in a good league and he’s got good offspeed stuff.

    If I’m Sandy Alderson, I think I might go looking for potential gems in an organization’s system who are further away from MLB impact (Ex: Mike Kickham, Jarrett Parker, Gary Brown) rather than settle for middle tier prospects like Thomas Neal as the “prize piece.”

    just a thought

    Comment by Andrew — May 5, 2011 @ 12:43 pm

  13. The deeper the Mets go into the Giants’ system, the more likely that two compensation picks in the sandwich round are a better deal, is basically what I’m saying. You still need to find that highest-rated guy as the ‘centerpiece,’ and if Wheeler is too much, I think Neal is too little.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — May 5, 2011 @ 12:47 pm

  14. Yea, I kinda like the idea of trading Wright instead of Reyes…

    Comment by Sean — May 5, 2011 @ 12:49 pm

  15. No, but he did blame Obama and the democrats for the poor attendance at New Shea.

    Comment by USMF — May 5, 2011 @ 12:49 pm

  16. The Cardinals make more sense. They have some starting pitching depth in the minors and they need a win-now SS. Only issue is that Mets may ask for a guy like Shelby Miller. I’d be interested in seeing what kind of package Reyes commands come all-star break.

    Comment by ken — May 5, 2011 @ 12:51 pm

  17. So you’re suggesting that the same Sabean who gave up Tim Alderson for a Freddy Sanchez rental (later signed), would not part with a top prospect who is in A ball for Jose Reyes??? Or perhaps Sabean will go with last year’s strategy of seeing who gets cut and could be a reclamation projection? Good points below — whatever deal the Mets do will need to be significantly better than the two compensation picks.

    Comment by John Galt — May 5, 2011 @ 12:53 pm

  18. ” he’s probably not even the 3rd best 3rd baseman in his own division.”

    ?!?!?!?!?!?! Surely you know that’s just patently ridiculous on its face.

    Wright is roughly equivalent to Zimmerman, quality-wise.

    Wright >>> Chipper Jones.
    Wright >>>> Polanco.
    Wright >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg Dobbs? Wes Helms?

    Seriously, that may be the dumbest thing I’ve read on here, like, ever. So there’s that.

    Comment by Jason B — May 5, 2011 @ 1:23 pm

  19. Neukom keeps Sabean on a tight leash now. He is no longer allowed to make outlandish trades or signings.

    Comment by GiantHusker — May 5, 2011 @ 1:45 pm

  20. This is from the debut blog post from former major league general manager Jim Bowden,

    Five teams that could go after Jose Reyes

    4. Cincinnati Reds — The Reds have the best farm system of any team that has a need for Reyes. Although they are happy with Paul Janish defensively at short, can you imagine Jose Reyes on the Reds? Instant World Series contenders (if they’re not already). A package would have to include one of their top catching prospects, either Devin Mesoraco or Yasmani Grandal; middle infielder Billy Hamilton or Zack Cozart; a young bat like Juan Francisco; and a starting pitcher with tremendous upside like a Homer Bailey. If the Reds want Reyes, if the Reds can afford Reyes, they have enough to get Reyes.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/SweetSpot/post/_/id/10176/five-teams-that-could-go-after-jose-reyes

    Comment by Jose — May 5, 2011 @ 1:48 pm

  21. There was a time when it would have been fair to say Wright was roughly ZImmerman’s equal, but that time is not now. The last time Wright put up a season that would fit with the last 2 we’ve seen from Zimmerman was 2008. For whatever reason, Wright’s production has taken a substantial step back.

    He’s hurt right now, but a healthy Zimmerman is unquesionably the better player today, by a pretty wide margin.

    Comment by JH — May 5, 2011 @ 1:51 pm

  22. GiantHusker, that’s simply not true.

    Comment by Viliphied — May 5, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

  23. So that package would blow the Giants package out of the water. Even if you like Zach Wheeler by a long shot over Bailey, getting one of those catchers and one of those infielders would make the Reds deal better.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — May 5, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

  24. especially considering the Sanchez trade happened more than a full year after Neukom took over.

    Comment by Viliphied — May 5, 2011 @ 1:56 pm

  25. I’m no apologist for Sabean – I think he’s made some terrible, terrible moves in the past and that last year’s WS championship was more a result of lightning striking twice (Huff, Torres) than any real skill on his part.

    That said, he traded Alderson at the perfect point. His stuff had started to slip and his results with it. If Sabean had held onto Alderson, he would have lost both his trade value and prospect value by season’s end. He was in a good position to know more about his organization’s player than Pittsburgh did, and he shipped him out while he could still get something of value in return.

    Zach Wheeler is no Tim Alderson. Scouting reports have his stuff and pitchability both taking steps forward this year. They’re not similar situations at all.

    Comment by JH — May 5, 2011 @ 1:58 pm

  26. And besides, complaining about giving up a righty who strikes out under 6/9 in the minor leagues for a middle infielder who contributed 2.7 WAR to a WS champion team is pretty weird.

    Comment by JH — May 5, 2011 @ 2:01 pm

  27. The Mets should trade Reyes for Tim Alderson so their GM can have their son pitch on the team. Kidding.

    Comment by Pat — May 5, 2011 @ 2:12 pm

  28. You haven’t been paying attention at all then…

    Zimmerman is by far the best 3rd baseman in the division…and Wright three years ago was great…but over the past few years, you could argue that Polanco is better than Wright.

    Polanco is a much better defender and doesn’t K they way Wright does, not to mention Wright is way to streaky to be dependable.

    Comment by USMF — May 5, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

  29. Indeed, JH. But I’m still curious as to who in the world USMF thinks is the other NL East 3B ahead of Wright…

    Comment by Surrealistic Pillow — May 5, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

  30. Oh em gee @ Polanco! I love it!

    Comment by Surrealistic Pillow — May 5, 2011 @ 2:17 pm

  31. Is that you, Jason Bay? Gotta give you props for sticking up for you guy, man.

    Comment by mhad — May 5, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

  32. The difference here being that Alderson was not a prospect on Wheeler’s level.

    Comment by mhad — May 5, 2011 @ 2:27 pm

  33. I’m just not seeing these massive packages for 3 months of an injury-prone, 5 WAR player. Sure, if your existing SS is replacement level, 3 additional wins are worth a lot. But even a marginal everyday SS is worth a couple wins, which means that half a year of Reyes is now worth 1-2 wins. Who’s trading a top C prospect, an IF, a “young bat,” and an SP with “tremendous upside” for 1-2 wins?

    I suppose a team with a bunch of vets about to leave might want to win now, but at the expense of being able to win again in 3 years when the 4 guys you just traded away would have been contributing? Crazy shortsighted.

    Comment by JRoth — May 5, 2011 @ 2:34 pm

  34. Has anyone run a simulation to see how much better the Giants would be with Reyes in the lineup for half of a season? How many additional wins would he provide? I think its a huge gamble for a guy who has a hard time staying healthy and isn’t likely to re-sign.

    Comment by jwise224 — May 5, 2011 @ 2:35 pm

  35. Why do the Reds want Reyes again? They’ve got Votto and Bruce and Phillips and Stubbs. Rolen and their catcher platoon aren’t exactly offensive failures either. They can certainly afford keeping Janish’s glove at short even if he doesn’t hit. The Reds can beat the Giants in an offer for Reyes, and so can the Red Sox, but the more important question is why a powerful offense would be trading top prospects for another bat. If anything, those teams are looking for arms.

    Comment by quincy0191 — May 5, 2011 @ 2:36 pm

  36. It really feels strange to defend Sabean, whom I dislike intensely, but the Giants clearly got the better end of the Sanchez/Alderson deal. Sanchez was not strictly a rental, as there was a club option for the following season. Instead, the club offered, and Sanchez accepted, two years at less $ per year.
    Alderson has been, and almost certainly will continue to be, worth less than zero. In what would have been Sanchez’s option year, he had a good season after missing time due to injury. He contributed enough to be the difference between winning the World Series and not making the playoffs.
    In contrast, nobody knows for certain what Wheeler will do yet, but he is the Giants’ consensus best prospect (not counting Belt as a prospect), and Reyes would be a very expensive rental in a year when the Giants have already busted the budget and probably will not make the playoffs, let alone another World Series.
    Sabean and Neukom will not make that deal nor would I.

    Comment by GiantHusker — May 5, 2011 @ 2:43 pm

  37. Not for nothing but we are on fangraphs, there are stats to determine how valuable a player is. Wright had 4.1 and 3.5 WAR the last two seasons, Polanco had 3.7 and 3.1, with the defense calculation having a huge impact. Using bWAR (is that allowed?) it is 2.4 and 3.9 for Wright, and 2.5 and 1.8 for Polanco. Using traditional offensive stats, Wright played 301 games in 09-10, with 39 HR, 175 RBI, 175 R, and 46 SB, Polanco put up 16 HR, 124 RBI, 158 R, and 12 SB in 275 games played. Polanco would have the advantage in average (fangraphs player page includes plate appearances and I was too lazy to look up AB elsewhere) but that is it. I did ignore this season due to small sample size. Zimmerman is clearly the best 3B in the NL East right now, but Wright is an obvious 2nd. If you accept the defensive metrics fangraphs uses for WAR you could make a case that Polanco is not that far behind Wright, but I cannot see any way that you could reasonably say that he is better than Wright.

    Comment by Dwight — May 5, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

  38. Quincy: if it makes their powerful offense significantly stronger, it boosts their chances at the playoffs, the WS, and a championship. They’re in a position where marginal wins this season could make a big difference. That’s why they might do it. Not to say they will, but if I were a Reds fan, I’d be hoping for it.

    Comment by The Ancient Mariner — May 5, 2011 @ 3:18 pm

  39. Yeah, it’s just a totally ludicrous, easily falsifiable notion. Zimmerman is better than Wright (thought about that right after I typed it), but claiming any other 3B in the division to be superior is just all manner of hilarious.

    Comment by Jason B — May 5, 2011 @ 3:26 pm

  40. “On the other hand, if you trade Reyes now, you certainly would get a better return.”

    I don’t understand why this is true.

    Wouldn’t desperation at the trade deadline necessitate a better return? Although, I suppose this cuts both ways though – desperation to acquire and desperation to get rid of. And acquiring Reyes now would give the acquiring team longer to have him, thus the willingness to give up more. However, I would think a team in a Pennant race would be more desperate to acquire than a team like the Mets would be desperate to sell, especially as the Mets could get compensatory draft picks for Reyes.

    Comment by UnG — May 5, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

  41. “but over the past few years, you could argue that Polanco is better than Wright.”

    You could – you would be wrong, but you could. It would take a desperate combination of mangling and ignoring amply available evidence, but you could indeed.

    Comment by Jason B — May 5, 2011 @ 3:28 pm

  42. Desperation is one thing, but if you trade for Reyes now, you get more PAs, more innings with better defense, more value for your prospect buck. That’s what I was referring to.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — May 5, 2011 @ 3:28 pm

  43. i believe it

    Comment by fredsbank — May 5, 2011 @ 3:47 pm

  44. Here’s the entire list.

    1. San Francisco Giants — They’re not trading any of their four starters: Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Madison Bumgarner or Jonathan Sanchez. Instead, the Mets would target 1B/OF Brandon Belt, minor league right-hander Zack Wheeler, shortstop prospects Ehire Adrianza or Brandon Crawford and second baseman Charlie Culberson. The Mets might ask for four players and the Giants might offer three. Any deal of this magnitude will have the contingency of signing Reyes to a long-term deal prior to the transaction closing.

    2. St. Louis Cardinals — If the Cardinals decide they are not going to commit to Albert Pujols, they could decide to make a deal for Reyes and continue to improve the team up the middle. The difficult part is these two teams don’t match up well. The Cardinals could offer pitching prospects Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins and maybe even future closer Eduardo Sanchez. However, they really don’t have any young position players to make this work (Colby Rasmus and David Freese are not being traded).

    3. Boston Red Sox — The Red Sox could be a good fit, if they’re willing to sign another Carl Crawford-type deal, which they might not want to after the start he’s had. A package that included shortstop Jose Iglesias and former LSU stud Anthony Ranaudo would be a good starting point to a potential package.

    4. Cincinnati Reds — The Reds have the best farm system of any team that has a need for Reyes. Although they are happy with Paul Janish defensively at short, can you imagine Jose Reyes on the Reds? Instant World Series contenders (if they’re not already). A package would have to include one of their top catching prospects, either Devin Mesoraco or Yasmani Grandal; middle infielder Billy Hamilton or Zack Cozart; a young bat like Juan Francisco; and a starting pitcher with tremendous upside like a Homer Bailey. If the Reds want Reyes, if the Reds can afford Reyes, they have enough to get Reyes.

    5. Los Angeles Angels — The Angels have talent to deal and the resources to sign Reyes. The Angels desperately need a long-term solution in the leadoff spot and Mike Scioscia has always built his teams with defense up the middle. Reyes would be a perfect fit. The Angels could offer major league talent back, including a package or combination of players: one of their three catchers (Bobby Wilson, Hank Conger or Jeff Mathis), an everyday shortstop (Erick Aybar), a rotation arm (Tyler Chatwood) and/or a second baseman (Alexi Amarista).

    The Twins, Brewers and Nationals are three other teams that could really use Reyes. However, due to either financial reasons or lack of high-level prospects, it is extremely unlikely a deal could be made with any of those teams.

    Comment by Jose — May 5, 2011 @ 3:50 pm

  45. “Wright on the other hand is a good player, but he’s probably not even the 3rd best 3rd baseman in his own division”
    ========================================
    ummmm you realize that evan longoria plays in the AMERICAN league east, right?

    Comment by cs3 — May 5, 2011 @ 4:01 pm

  46. reyes + pagan for rasmus.

    la russa has always wanted to trade him so this makes sense right?

    Comment by Wrighteous — May 5, 2011 @ 4:39 pm

  47. I can’t imagine that Shelby Miller is available.

    I think Jose Reyes is much more valuable the sooner he’s dealt. Not unlike Cliff Lee of last summer, Reyes would garner more in terms of prospect value the sooner he’s jettisoned. I actually think that the Mets should explore extending Reyes if he’s receptive & I wouldn’t move him unless a prospect such as Zack Wheeler was the centerpiece. After Miller (who I doubt would be part of a package), I’m not sure if St. Louis has enough heft in their farm system (unless New York is high on Carlos Martinez).

    Comment by S.M. Jenkins — May 5, 2011 @ 4:48 pm

  48. I doubt that the Mets could get that much from Cincinnati. If they could somehow get 2 of Mesoraco/Grandal/Hamilton/Cozart/Yonder Alonso though, I’d have to think the Reds would be a bona fide contender for Jose Reyes’ services.

    Comment by S.M. Jenkins — May 5, 2011 @ 4:51 pm

  49. I’m pretty sure Anthony Ranaudo couldn’t be traded until much further along in the summer. By that point, I doubt he’d be on the table. I don’t think they’d give Jose Iglesias for a rental either – even a four month one.

    I think a lot of Brandon Belt’s value will be derived from his defense yet the Mets might actually be a team who has a young guy at 1b who might be even better defensively than Belt. I could see something like Belt/Eric Surkamp & another piece for 4 months of Jose Reyes, but I don’t think I’d agree with it & I certainly wouldn’t expect it.

    Comment by S.M. Jenkins — May 5, 2011 @ 4:54 pm

  50. hasnt the trade market over the past year and a half shown that teams are not willing to give up nearly as much prospect value as everyone on here seems to think?

    the Haren deal comes immediately to mind, and the A.Gonzalez trade isnt far behind. If Reyes is traded, i strongly doubt he will bring a haul close to the proposed Reds package that Jose referred to above.

    And if the number/quality of prospects is even close to that, it will only be because Reyes has agreed to a long term contract extension with his new team as part of the trade being finalized

    Comment by cs3 — May 5, 2011 @ 5:06 pm

  51. -hasnt the trade market over the past year and a half shown that teams are not willing to give up nearly as much prospect value as everyone on here seems to think?

    the Haren deal comes immediately to mind, and the A.Gonzalez trade isnt far behind. If Reyes is traded, i strongly doubt he will bring a haul close to the proposed Reds package that Jose referred to above.

    And if the number/quality of prospects is even close to that, it will only be because Reyes has agreed to a long term contract extension with his new team as part of the trade being finalized

    Comment by cs3 — May 5, 2011 @ 5:16 pm

  52. I don’t think there’s any way half a season of Reyes nets a prospect like Shelby Miller. Reyes is probably a reasonable fit in St Louis but it’s doubtful they’d have the money and desire to keep him if Pujols is resigned for north of 25m/yr.

    Comment by Felonius_Monk — May 5, 2011 @ 5:33 pm

  53. Yeah, it’s not like Brian Sabean has ever dealt decent pitching prospects for a rental or anything.

    Comment by Felonius_Monk — May 5, 2011 @ 5:39 pm

  54. if reyes goes to the giants, he’s immediately either the best or second best player on the team, depending on how good you think posey is. that’s either not how you run a rental, or the best way to run a rental, depending on what they would give up for him…

    Comment by fredsbank — May 5, 2011 @ 5:41 pm

  55. dont the red sox have enough SS problems with lowrie and scutaro?

    Comment by fredsbank — May 5, 2011 @ 5:46 pm

  56. It’s easy to dismiss him as injury prone, and that certainly need to be taken into account if the team wants to sign him to a long term contract, but he looks unbelievable this year. He’s getting on base, stealing bases, playing a good SS, and energizing the (fairly empty) crowd. For a team on the bubble, he can be the difference between making it and not making it. Yes, I agree it’s shortsighted, but some teams like to cash in their chips and go for it all – and Reyes would be a huge upgrade for most teams.

    Comment by vivalajeter — May 5, 2011 @ 6:11 pm

  57. Not saying the Sox will make a play, but there’s a world of difference between Reyes and those two – assuming that Reyes keeps playing like the 2006-2008 version.

    Comment by vivalajeter — May 5, 2011 @ 6:14 pm

  58. reyes has created more runs in 30 games this year than he did in 130 games all of last year

    Comment by rapiddave — May 5, 2011 @ 6:19 pm

  59. To be fair, like 90% of the prospects he trades, even highly rated ones, completely flop.

    Comment by Viliphied — May 5, 2011 @ 6:29 pm

  60. Wheeler today is much more highly regarded as a prospect than Liriano was when Sabean dealt him.

    There has also been a huge market adjustment in the value of prospects since the time of the Pierzinsky trade. They command much more in return now than they did 6-7 years ago.

    Of course, there was a persistent rumor about Sabean offering Lincecum to the jays for Alex Rios, which if true would have been a comically awful move, but I don’t think you can just assume a GM will make an awful deal. The totally lop-sided deals for prospects are pretty few and far between, and usually have some extenuating circumstances (like the Dodgers’ refusal to pick up any salary at all leading to the Carlos Santana deal, or the Expos operating under threat of contraction when they dealt Lee, Sizemore, and Phillips, or Bill Bavasi being the absolute worst general manager in the modern era when it comes to assessing the value of his own players – far worse than Sabean).

    Comment by JH — May 5, 2011 @ 6:42 pm

  61. You don’t really need a simulation. We’re about 1/6 the way into the season. So far Tejada’s been a -0.5 WAR player. I’d feel ok pinning him as an ~replacement level player moving forward.

    If we think Tejada is ~replacement and Reyes is about 5 WAR over a full season, then the extra value would be something like this:

    Reyes plays the rest of the season with occasional days off (getting him to about 600 PA, since he bats leadoff): +4.17 wins.
    Reyes plays 2/3 the rest of the season: +~2.7 wins.
    Reyes plays half the rest of the season: +2.08 wins
    Reyes plays 1/3 the rest of the way; ~1.35 wins.

    And so on and so forth. If you think Tejada’s really a -3 WAR player (I don’t – very few players are actually that bad, even post-decline guys like Miggy), then you can adjust your win values accordingly.

    Comment by JH — May 5, 2011 @ 6:54 pm

  62. No.

    Comment by JH — May 5, 2011 @ 6:56 pm

  63. Eno, if you’re going to point to the Bartlett trade as a model then why not look to the Giants’ bullpen as the source of at least one of the pieces to go along with Wheeler? Romo is one of only a handful of relievers in baseball with a 10+ K/9 and a WHIP under 1 over the past several seasons and he’s still pre-arb and under team control for the next several seasons. Runzler, a lefty who throws 95+ with an excellent slider, would be under control even longer.

    You don’t think Wheeler + Romo or Runzler + Culberson or Adrianza or Neal gets it done? I don’t know if the Giants would do that but it sure seems like it should be enough to me.

    Comment by ElJimador — May 5, 2011 @ 7:07 pm

  64. I’m much more interested in who lands Reyes next year. If I’m handicapping, I’m guessing the Tigers would be the favorites with Magglio’s contract finally coming off the books for them (and Dombrowsky’s shown in the past he’s ok with handing out big money to injury-prone guys). Beyond that, though, it’s interesting. The Yankees have Jeter locked up for 2 more years, and displacing him may be the one PR hit Cashman absolutely won’t be able to take. A lot of big market teams are operating with very little money next year (Mets and Dodgers with their ownership problems, Angels with the Wells and Hunter contracts, Giants with big raises due to Lincecum and Cain), both Chicago teams have good shortstops under contract or club control, as does Texas, and Boston seems to have made its huge cash outlay this off-season and SS isn’t its biggest hole.

    With Tulo locked up, Reyes figures to be the last chance for any team to add an impact SS through free agency for a really long time. But I could see a pretty surprising result (Blue Jays? Mariners?) simply by process of elimination of all of the usual suspects for high-dollar free agents.

    Comment by JH — May 5, 2011 @ 7:11 pm

  65. @ElJim: yeah that’s probably enough! I would take it if I wasn’t going to sign Reyes too. Couldn’t some other team beat it is what I wonder. Neal is just not the greatest fit is he?

    Comment by Eno — May 5, 2011 @ 7:37 pm

  66. As a Giants fan, I was actually having this conversation with my Mets fan friend last night. I think should the Giants have the parameters of a long-term deal worked out before making a trade, Wheeler could be had in a deal. Otherwise I think Surkamp makes sense as the prime arm going back. I’d be willing to guess one of Ehire Adrianza/Brandon Crawford would be included. Glancing over multiple scouting surfaces shows polarizing views of each of the shortstop prospects. I think a name on the major league roster which may be of interest in a multiple player for Reyes deal is Dan Runzler. The lefty has electric stuff, and considering the Mets will do everything they can to keep K-Rod from landing his vesting option, he could be an interesting chip. Depending on the trade market, a package of Surkamp+SS prospect+Neal+Runzler might be enough.

    Comment by Josh Shepardson — May 5, 2011 @ 8:23 pm

  67. surfaces should be sources… but I’m an idiot, thus it reads as it does.

    Comment by Josh Shepardson — May 5, 2011 @ 8:32 pm

  68. Cox, Lynn, Cody Stanley, and Pete Kozma for Reyes and his Type A status. How does that sound for both parties?

    Comment by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ — May 5, 2011 @ 9:35 pm

  69. Biggest misconception about Reyes is that he’s prone to injury.

    Comment by BlackOps — May 5, 2011 @ 10:22 pm

  70. posada will be gone though, freeing up DH so long as a-rod can remain at 3b, and they could stash jeter there, since reyes would be leaps and bounds better both offensively and defensively

    Comment by fredsbank — May 5, 2011 @ 10:57 pm

  71. It would be enough, and you could even say it would be way more than enough. The Giants won’t trade Wheeler unless it’s for a superstar who is locked in for several years. The Giants can’t afford big contracts since Lincecum, Cain, Posey, Wilson and their other youngsters will soon see their salaries increase rapidly. Trading away homegrown talent like Wheeler, who will take Zito’s spot in the rotation in a year or two, and Romo, a valuable setup man, makes no sense. The Giants won’t be getting Reyes unless he agrees to sign for cheap as part of the trade, which won’t ever happen.

    Comment by Henry — May 6, 2011 @ 4:10 am

  72. I do think it’s a bit of a misconception that Reyes is injury prone. From 2005-2008 he missed 16 games, total. He played 133 games last year; he hasn’t missed a game this year. He hurt his hamstring on 04, and tore his calf in 09; I’m not trying to downplay those injuries, but I think injury prone is a bit unfair.

    I have no idea what the finances are for the Wilpons, but I am not sure it’s a given Reyes gets traded. I don’t think it’s a given Reyes will leave either; he’s said that he wants to stay in NY, and I don’t have trouble believing that. If the returns for Reyes aren’t that high (and you can understand why, as people have pointed out, it’s a few months of a guy) then the Mets should not trade him. Worst case is they lose him for draft picks; but I think there is a decent chance they can extend him in the offseason, if not sooner. Once the minority owner thing gets worked out, that may give the front offie a little more clarity.

    Comment by Conor — May 6, 2011 @ 11:16 am

  73. I do think it’s a bit of a misconception that Reyes is injury prone. From 2005-2008 he missed 16 games, total. He played 133 games last year; he hasn’t missed a game this year. He hurt his hamstring on 04, and tore his calf in 09; I’m not trying to downplay those injuries, but I think injury prone is a bit unfair.

    I have no idea what the finances are for the Wilpons, but I am not sure it’s a given Reyes gets traded. I don’t think it’s a given Reyes will leave either; he’s said that he wants to stay in NY, and I don’t have trouble believing that. If the returns for Reyes aren’t that high (and you can understand why, as people have pointed out, it’s a few months of a guy) then the Mets should not trade him. Worst case is they lose him for draft picks; but I think there is a decent chance they can extend him in the offseason, if not sooner. Once the minority owner thing gets worked out, that may give the front office a little more clarity and will know if they have a decent chance to bring Jose back.

    Comment by Conor — May 6, 2011 @ 11:17 am

  74. Sorry for the double post.

    Comment by Conor — May 6, 2011 @ 11:17 am

  75. I agree that Neal isn’t the greatest fit and really I’m not any higher on him than I am on Culberson, Adrianza or Crawford. So I agree with your skepticism about whether the Giants have the pieces behind Wheeler in their farm system to interest the Mets. Wheeler + Romo or Runzler would make a lot of sense though because even if the Mets don’t want to hang on to the reliever they could easily flip him to a contending team for a good prospect (ala the Capps for Ramos deal), and the Giants probably have the bullpen depth to absorb the loss too. In fact it’s probably too much from the Giants’ end unless they could sign Reyes up front to a much more reasonable extension than I expect he’d be willing to sign right now. My point was just that if the Giants really want Reyes they do have the pieces to get it done if you just look to the pen instead of to their farm to round it out.

    Comment by ElJimador — May 6, 2011 @ 12:45 pm

  76. JH, last I checked Zimmerman can’t stay healthy for any significant period of time, and the only time Wright has been hurt is when he got hit in the head with a 93 mph fastball. edge, Wright.

    Comment by Brooks — May 6, 2011 @ 1:41 pm

  77. Good point. I expect the Yankees to try and make it work. But Jeter’s a baby, and makes a public spectacle when he feels insulted. We’ll see if he still acts that way after two straight years of sucking, but I don’t expect much to change – humility is not Jeter’s strong suit.

    Comment by JH — May 6, 2011 @ 5:19 pm

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