Wait a second here, something’s wrong. This article isn’t about Bautista! :P
As for the Tigers, they’re already doing a really good job of making themselves better. They’re letting the right people leave, and bringing the right people in. They seem to have somewhat of a lack of the normal lack of common sense that’s been recently employed by the Yankees for example.
There isn’t much more you can do in their situation, by seasons end I fully expect them to be in the playoffs, and deservedly so.
Yeah, I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m ripping the Tigers or anything, I was just curious and so I “looked around.” Inge and the outfield seem like the most likely places they could or would want to make a change.
I’m a big supporter of advanced stats, but some times you have to pull back and look at the raw numbers.
Brandon Inge averages 70 rbi and 17 hr over 162 games for his career while playing better than average (at times elite) defense. I know most feel that rbi’s are more about luck and he shouldn’t have that many, but we’re talking about a decade of data. I’ll take that from a 9-hole hitter at 6mil a year any day.
They have a bit of an embarrassment of riches in pitching prospects in the high minors. Furbush and Oliver are probably major league ready today, and Jacob Turner isn’t far behind. I could easily see a package centered around either lefty to bring back Beltran (though they shouldn’t count on him as a replacement in center at this point).
Jackson’s season hasn’t been at a single consistent level. For the first half of games so far he hit very little and when he did they were outs, but since then he has been doing pretty decently- for what he does.
offer Oliver, Schlereth, Rayburn, and Fields to Mets for JOSE REYES. Pay him. Reyes would be a great fit on this team. Reyes and Jackson at the top of the order and on the bases ahead of Cabrerea and Martinez would be fun to watch.Move Coke to the pen. He is such a valuable asset shutting down lefties three days a week from the pen. Coke + Alburquerque in the 7th.Bring up Furbush to start. Jhonny P to 3rd. Pick spots with Inge and Santiago to spell the starters. Pray Maggs or Guillen can come back healthy for the last month to provide some pop from the bench / once a week.
It seems to me that the minor league system after Turner and Oliver doesn’t have many assets and the major league roster lacks depth.
Hence, the key to trades will be whether the Tigers want to take on salary or useful but underperforming players in order to bench guys like Inge or Ordonez who already are being paid a lot on contracts signed just this past winter. That seems a bit unlikely given that their payroll already seems high for a mid-market city with a poor economy, not that any of us has a good idea of the profit margin that they are running.
Comment by Detroit Michael — May 16, 2011 @ 4:23 pm
I’d say do that deal in a heartbeat. I’d love to see him in Detroit, and it’ll be interesting what type of return he’d fetch if they make Reyes available. I’d offer up most of the farm to get him. Elite SS aren’t available everyday.
Inge doesn’t seem to have the same kind of defensive range he once had. He’s had a bad string of injuries the past couple of years. Without superior defense, he’s definitely subpar.
Inge’s clutch scores over his career fluctuate around but are above average. Not reason to assume that he has a run-knocking-in ability that doesn’t show up in context-neutral statistics. Looking at HR and RBI frankly just confuses things — HR is already in wRC+ or SLG or whatever more comprehensive stat you want to use and RBI doesn’t tell us much without knowing where the runners were and how many there were when he come up. Besides, you omitted his runs scored, so even if you want to look at those stats, you may be cherrypicking to support your pre-conceived notions.
Comment by Detroit Michael — May 16, 2011 @ 4:31 pm
I meant about average, not above average.
Comment by Detroit Michael — May 16, 2011 @ 4:32 pm
Dang! I miss the 401 rivalry: Detroit-Toronto. I always liked Detroit. There should be a Great Lakes division in MLB with Detroit, Minnesota, Cleveland, Chicago WS and Toronto. I’d be interested in watching every one of these rivals more than our current division rivals.
Comment by bluejaysstatsgeek — May 16, 2011 @ 4:41 pm
Scott would be an interesting option, provided he can produce documentation that proves he is legally qualified to play for the Tigers.
Klaassen probably has this right, although landing Reyes would be sweet for the Tigers. Magglio looks really terrible, and this DL stint may be more of a “make up a reason to bench him and bring someone up” move.
Boesch seems like a solid player this year. Raburn does not, but he gets a longer leash for his previous performance. Wells is nothing special, and I doubt Dirks will be, either.
One middle of the rotation starter, one good LH reliever, and one more above league-average bat (SS or corner OF) and I’ll be satisfied the Tigers have done what they can for this year.
Trade for reyes and move peralta to thirds… That’s a solid left side
Comment by Lloyd mclendon — May 16, 2011 @ 8:00 pm
Inge’s defensive range has noticeably shrunk over the last two seasons. Without otherworldly range, he is not an MLB player. Period. At this point, trading for and starting Aaron Miles would make the team a win better. And I think I actually mean that.
To me it’s really a hold-tight situation, with the secondary option being to get the Mets on Line 1 for a bit of a blockbuster.
They seem to have the payroll flexibility (pending the attendance coming back up to form when the weather warms), so the question is are they willing to give up Oliver or Turner to get Reyes or Beltran?
In this division, I’m not sure they need to make that deal to make the playoffs.
Surely, you don’t think that either Turner or Oliver would be tradeable for Beltran. It is tempting to lump them together becase they play for the same sinking ship of a team, but reyes is a star with star value. Beltran’s value is that he isn’t Magglio – yet.
I doubt they would deal Turner. They believe he has Verlander type stuff. Its hard to trade a guy like him, even for a proven veteran. If they stand pat I think they will still have a good chance to get into the playoffs and will still have a chance to win a series against any team with the 1/2 combo of JV and Max.
Why on earth would we trade either of our best two prospects, given our brutal farm system, for a rental player in Reyes or Beltran? I never understand the “if we are able to sign them to a new contract, then I’d make that trade”…that just means that we’re paying fair market value for the player! Reyes isn’t going to say “sure, I’m worth $17M/season, but I’ll sign for $13M/season because the Tigers gave up Turner to get me”. If the Mets want to receive anything of value, other than draft picks, for Beltran or Reyes, they need to move them ASAP. If the Mets want talent back, like an Oliver, Turner, Fields or Castellanos, then they can take Guillen back in the deal.
Mets can do much better than to deal with the Tigers…they need to find an organization that has talent to spare.
Nicker I think you are overvaluing half a season of Reyes… Oliver would be an overpay
Comment by Cloud Computer — May 17, 2011 @ 9:56 am
your point of view lacks merit and logical thinking. you should return to espn. no one in this thread wrote anything about renting Reyes or Reyes accepting less than market value for any reason. there is also no way DD would give up a top pitching prospect for a rental player but i am sure DD would seriously consider the option and ask Mr. Illitch for the bread it would take to retain Reyes for a few years, especially with Guillen and Magglio coming off the books later this year. i am sure they would consider spending $16+/season on a player such as Reyes.
Sizemore is averaging an error a week… and will be batting under .221 in two week’s time… Rhymes is now batting .320 in Toledo… and his career MLB average was .282… I just luve you Tigers fans… a guy has a bad month, and you overlook his career stats to proclaim his career dead. Fair enough, trade Will Rhymes. You guys deserve Sizemore… he can be your second baseman as you pull up a chair and watch the playoffs on TV.
How about Oliver and Raburn and some salary relief (Guillen, perhaps) for Beltran and a B-prospect (someone worse than Oliver)?
Seems like something the Tigers could live with and the Mets could benefit from. Boesch probably is no better than Raburn long term, but he’s cheaper for the Tigers in the immediate future. Oliver’s the real value.