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  1. OK, I’ll be the jerk who brags about having both on my fantasy team.

    Comment by Kevin S. — May 26, 2009 @ 11:25 am

  2. Haha, I was thinking the same thing.

    Comment by John — May 26, 2009 @ 11:29 am

  3. Nice write-up, Dave!

    It’s funny: I made this exact comparison yesterday in one of my fantasy leagues, after Verlander’s brilliant performance yesterday afternoon.

    The best comparison to V’s current six-start run was Greinke’s first six starts to the season, and the numbers are practically identical across the board. But, like you, I give an ever-so-slight tip of the cap to Verlander. Though, as a Verlander owner, I’ll admit to a tiny bias.

    Comment by Michael — May 26, 2009 @ 11:29 am

  4. But does Verlander have a super-cool t-shirt promotion planned for him?

    http://royals.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/05/greinke_t-shirt_revealed_walk-.html

    (although, shouldn’t the suit have been diamonds?)

    Comment by Kevin S. — May 26, 2009 @ 11:32 am

  5. His numbers are finally catching up to his reputation.

    Comment by Rex Smythe Higgins — May 26, 2009 @ 11:34 am

  6. Verlander has been getting more fly balls this year, yet giving up less home runs. Currently only 4.3% of his fly balls are turning into home runs, so his FIP may be a bit low at this point.

    Comment by Davidceisen — May 26, 2009 @ 11:50 am

  7. ooops didn’t mean that as a reply to Kevin. Though that’s a pretty sweet t-shirt.

    Comment by Davidceisen — May 26, 2009 @ 11:53 am

  8. Dave,

    Great stuff!
    Couple of questions for you, have you noticed anything different in terms of Pitch F/x for Verlander over the stretch or is it just throwing more strikes?

    Also just out of curiosity going forward, who do you like more for this season and beyond? Greinke or Verlander?

    Comment by Mike Ketchen — May 26, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

  9. Me too. Of course I get to say I’ve got him cuz Fangraphs told me to get him, and he was somehow a free agent in my league. That was 6 games ago. ;)

    Comment by Joe — May 26, 2009 @ 12:42 pm

  10. Dave obviously hates the Royals.

    Comment by Jason T — May 26, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

  11. Verlander may have had a slightly better six game stretch – and hey, I think it’s great because I like great pitching – but Greinke has done it all season so far. Verlander hasn’t.

    Comment by gp — May 26, 2009 @ 2:20 pm

  12. lol I have both on my fantasy team too. I traded Elijiah Dukes for Verlander, talk about a steal.

    Comment by brian recca — May 26, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

  13. I loved the one I pulled. I convinced the other owner he was getting the leg up in the Joba/Verlander half of the dealer… and that it compensated for him giving me Brian Roberts for Jose Lopez.

    Comment by Kevin S. — May 26, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

  14. For one, Verlander’s fastball is back over 95 this year. His velocity had been declining over the previous couple of years.

    Comment by Teej — May 26, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

  15. Greinke’s going to give up a HR at some point, and then they’re going to look a lot more comparable.

    It’s really cool to have such an amazing collection of pitchers (or at least single outstanding seasons) in the AL Central in the last few years: Johan, CC, Lee, Carmona(‘s 2007), Verlander, Buehrle, Greinke, Meche, others. Even Edwin Jackson is dominating right now. I think the NL West has the most amazing collection of arms in any division with Billingsley, Peavy, Cain, Lincecum, Webb, Haren, Jimenez, and Kershaw, but the AL Central has had at least one amazing pitcher per year for the last five years, and I think probably has the most great pitchers of any AL division.

    It certainly is going to be a fun summer watching these guys match up against one another. I wished that Verlander and Greinke would have hooked up for this week’s series in KC, but Jackson/Greinke is a nice consolation gift.

    Comment by Eric Cioe — May 26, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

  16. I traded Felipe Lopez for Verlander and JJ Hardy.

    Comment by Dan — May 26, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

  17. Is anyone shocked the average fangraphs reader can’t kick holy hell out of joe-average-fantasy-baseball-guy? I mean come on.

    I didn’t start fantasy baseball this year, but if I were you guys I’d be looking for a sucker to pay too much for them now. They are surely good pitchers, but are obviously (too us) no where near this good.

    Comment by Wally — May 26, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

  18. I own Greinke and i tried to trade for Verlander, I wouldn’t try to trade either unless i was offered something that was obviously a reach, like A-Rod or Albert for either of these. While u’re right Wally that they are putting up better #s than we can hope to expect for the rest of the season I think we should all still expect them to be 2 of the best pitchers in the majors and that in itself holds a large amount of fantasy value.

    Comment by David Foy — May 26, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

  19. The sad (for people like us) truth is that we’re not ALL that much better at predicting performance than the average fan. We all have biases. Just ask J.P. Ricciardi or Dan O’Dowd how hard it is fill out a roster even when you’re saber-savvy and others aren’t.

    Comment by Mark R — May 26, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

  20. Indeed. Oh, the trades I offered for Ricky Nolasco. Thankfully he was held by the one owner as high on him as me.

    Comment by Kevin S. — May 26, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

  21. I apologize for turning this into a fantasy gloating thread. Uhh, back on topic…

    Zack saw this and said “Anything you can do, I can do better.” Complete gamer, 8:0 K:BB, six hits and one run. BEAST.

    Comment by Kevin S. — May 26, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

  22. I tried for 2 weeks to get Verlander before he went on this tear. Unfortunately the other owner apparently also reads analytical sites and didn’t trade him to me.

    Comment by Everett — May 26, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

  23. Yeah, and he did against the Tigers, too. UGH.

    Comment by Nick — May 27, 2009 @ 8:11 am

  24. /buys low early in season on nolasco, big papi, tulowitzski, atkins

    ah crap

    Comment by lincypoo — June 8, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

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