I think the giants need to big up a SS or catcher with Posey out. They cant have Tejada starting and Whiteside isn’t a good offensive player. I think Hardy is a good option because he is cheaper to get and is a solid hitter. If they could get Reyes that would obviously be huge because they need a SS, lead off guy, and speed and he fits all of these.
Quick note on the Sox – Lowrie could man the hot corner if they acquire Reyes. Ortiz is probably not getting resigned, which means that Youkilis will probably DH full time (unless he slides back to 1B and Gonzo becomes the DH). Still, I doubt they pursue Reyes in a trade rather than as an FA, since the farm is somewhat depleted after the Gonzo trade, and they have a pretty significant amount of money coming off the books next year (Ortiz, Cameron, Drew, Scutaro, and likely Papelbon).
This seems like a waste… Gonzalez has a (deserved) reputation as a fantastic defender, and Youkilis has been a plus defensively as well (excluding this year, but I’d wait and see whether his defensive numbers improve before slotting him in as the heir apparent to Ortiz).
I’m a little surprised St Louis isn’t in this discussion. The middle infield has one shortstop (Greene) and he’s yet to price he’s a major leaguer. The starting shortstop is a second baseman, and the starting second baseman is either an outfielder or a failed third baseman converted to an outfielder depending on the day. It’s a real mess, and they’re one of the best teams in the league. Imagine the Cardinals with a proper middle infield.
I think it’s more likely that the Sox would be looking to move some of their own middle infielders rather than bring in another one. They actually have an overabundance of middle infielders with Lowrie, Scutaro, Iglesias, Navarro, and Sutton, with Tejeda maybe another year away. They have pretty much already decided Iglesias is their future SS anyway.
I agree that the Sox would acquire Reyes for the right price, but I disagree that it would make sense to put Youkilis at DH. While he’s not a plus 3B anymore, he’s still around average or just below average at the position (I’d estimate maybe -3 runs/150 games or so). Given that he’d rate in the top 5 3B in hitting, it seems pretty unthinkable to move him out of the position for a player that hits much worse (e.g. Lowrie) for a small defensive bump.
Moreover, just on hitting abilities, which of those combinations do you like better?
A. Lowrie, Youk, Ortiz
B. Lowrie, Youk, Reyes
C. Youk, Reyes, (Best DH on the FA market)
I don’t see Reyes as being a better at the plate than Ortiz. And I don’t see Reyes as a big improvement over Lowrie at SS either. So your proposal seems like a big payout for fairly neutral outcome. I think it would be more likely they’d end up using Lowrie as a super-utility man and sign a real DH who would increase their total firepower.
He has been productive so far, but he is 35 years old and is a free agent at the end of the season. Even if he’s been one of the more productive hitters of late, the Mariners aren’t married to the guy…
Basically one of Wilson / Kennedy are going to have to be moved for Ackley to come up and play regularly. Unless the Mariners somehow find a trade partner for Figgins, that is, so that Kennedy can play third and Ackley play second. Or if you believe the rumors that they’ll have Ackley play left field.
But, all things considered, Wilson and Kennedy are both expendable. Brandan Ryan is finally hitting and playing good defense and Dustin Ackley needs someplace to play.
Brandon Ryan may not be the sexist hitter in the universe, but he has a slick glove. So they had a good middle infielder and gave him away. Thus, any trades the Cardinals have to do come with the caveat that the middle infielder must be someone who can get along with Tony LaRussa.
Youkilis is no longer a plus (or possibly even average) 3rd baseman, that was many years and many pounds ago. While he’ll get a bit better with reps and his bat is beyond good enough to compensate you can see he’s declined from his early days just watching him. He’s by no means a butcher at 3rd, but let’s he’s a different player now then when he came up.
And Gonzalaz has a career UZR/150 of 1.3; yet the fantastic defender meme continues to live on. He has a fantastic reputation but it is just that….a reputation. He’ll win a gold glove this year based on the value of his bat and this ‘reputation’. His range component is below average and barring one monster year his double play component of UZR is average – His slightly plus career UZR/150 is mainly based on ErrR (which can be a bit subjective)
As a comparison Derek Lee has a career UZR/150 of 0.9, Mark Teixera has a career UZR/150 of 4.6, Morneau 5.6.
The Brewers are batting Gallardo every day? And they’ve moved Hart to the 5 spot? I had no idea.
Comment by BronxOrioleFan — May 31, 2011 @ 7:37 pm
I kind of wonder if the Giants will be in a position to make a deal at the deadline. Posey was a huge part of that offense and it was still scuffling. That rotation is always good, but their lineup is downright pitiful right now, who’s to say they’ll be in contention? If they’re floating just above .500 at the deadline, would it really be worth it?
Um, if the Giants are “floating just above .500 at the deadline”, they’ll be in first place. This *is* the 2011 NL West we’re talking about here.
Comment by Judlowismabudlow — May 31, 2011 @ 8:03 pm
I’m wondering if Uggla continues to hit like shit if Atlanta will try to pick up a decent 2B for half a year and sit Uggla. I doubt they will because Fgonz has the same confidence in players Cox had. Pretty much anyone’s production would be better than Uggla’s at this point.
Then again, trades don’t really happen except until after the All Star break. Hopefully by then Uggla will be getting back on track.
Comment by Antonio Banans — May 31, 2011 @ 8:32 pm
Since when do the Brewers have ANY viable prospects to acquire a player such as Jose Reyes????? They had the worst farm system in baseball before they traded Odorizzi, and their prospects with decently high ceilings are years away and unproven at the minor league level
Comment by Brew Crew Fanatic — May 31, 2011 @ 10:08 pm
Would Oakland be interested in Jose Reyes? That is a winnable division right there and Billy Beane surprised us a couple of years ago when he traded for Matt Holliday. Reyes would certainly be a huge upgrade over Cliff Pennington as well as whoever is presently batting in the leadoff spot for the A’s, and Beane would get his compensation draft picks if/when (okay, when) Reyes signs with a big spender this winter. Otherwise, I agree that the Giants appear to be the most likely destination for Reyes.
So what should we use data from ? He’s maxed out at ~500innings in any single year at 3rd (he’s at ~400 this year)
Show me where he is plus defensively if we are completely disregarding ~50games…
In 2009 he played ~500 innings at 3rd and UZR had him below average. (this besides 2004, also ~500innings, was the season where he played a lot at 3rd base)
Take away one good year in 2004 and his career UZR at 3rd is below 0. He just isn’t the guy at 3rd people remember him as… he’s 32, heavier and doesn’t play as well as he did when he was ~25. Yes, UZR needs to be taken with a grain of salt… but that doesn’t mean completely disregard it… the data just doesn’t support “plus” and if you regress it, based on the small sample size you’ll get average (but that’s more because it’s a small sample size than anything else)
To say he is ‘plus’ defensively is to bury your head in the sand and pretend it’s Youk in 2004 (which also was limited data). While certainly adequate at 3rd (especially considreing his bat), I don’t see him as above average defensively and by the end of the year the data may show him to be below average.
“Look it up” Really…. “look it up”
I also don’t know how someone who has a CAREER UZR/150 of 1.3 has a (deserved) fantastic defensive reputation…
Mike Aviles would make no sense for the Indians. The very slight upgrade in hitting he would provide is less valuable to them than Hannahan’s defense, which is gold-glove worthy. Between Grady, Santana and Asdrubal they have enough bats in traditionally low-power places to carry Hannahan’s bat.
If they trade for a position player, it’s a 1st or 2nd baseman. Push O-Cab to utility, or LaPorta off the team.
He plays second, third and short, and this article implied he’d replace Jungle Jack at the hot corner.
The Tribe have way too much of a sinker-heavy pitch-to-contact pitching staff for a defense/offense platoon, IMO. I’m fine with a strictly defensive option at 3rd.
I’d just be happy if they give Phelps a shot at 2nd, let O-Cab be the utility man, and test the market for a 1st baseman…although I’d hate to see them mortgage the farm for one. If the Cubs are still out of it in a month, I’d think Carlos Pena would come fairly cheap and be a decent fit.
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