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  1. “Fielder, though, has kept making contact at a crazy low rate.”

    Minor correction. Should be high rate, or striking out instead of making contact.

    Comment by Oscar — June 9, 2011 @ 1:06 pm

  2. Amazing.

    Comment by BillWallace — June 9, 2011 @ 1:08 pm

  3. I’ve been waiting for the other shoe to drop on Papi all year. Don’t get me wrong, I am rooting for him, but as you show it’s quite out of line for him, even during his most successful years.

    What’s interesting with Papi is that his O-contact is what’s skyrocketed – he’s still making a fairly normal amount of contact in the zone.

    It’s too bad that our contact numbers are binary (inside/outside zone), because I have a hunch he is swinging at more quality pitches outside the zone – and by that I mean not chasing as much, and swinging at pitches that are JUST outside the zone. Which would really attribute this uptick in contact to something not so much physical but mental, and possibly sustainable – having a better eye/pitch recognition at the plate.

    Comment by Telo — June 9, 2011 @ 1:11 pm

  4. For the record, I don’t think it’s really sustainable – just spitballing. I’d love to see the real data.

    Comment by Telo — June 9, 2011 @ 1:14 pm

  5. “Beyond the Box Score” covered this recently as well–also worth checking out: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/6/5/2206708/prince-fielder-and-david-ortiz-old-dogs-learning-new-tricks

    Comment by LouieO — June 9, 2011 @ 1:15 pm

  6. I wrote that article. It sure would have been nice if Dave Cameron had at least linked to it, seeing as how the topics of the two posts are exactly the same, except my post came out 4 days earlier. I understand if he wanted to give his own take, but without at least a link, it sure seems like he’s ripping me off.

    Comment by pacgnosis — June 9, 2011 @ 1:18 pm

  7. I was completely unaware of your article. How can I link to something I don’t know that exists?

    Comment by Dave Cameron — June 9, 2011 @ 1:20 pm

  8. Are Prince and David accepting apprentices? Mark Reynolds and Adam Dunn, hit the books.

    Comment by Mike B. — June 9, 2011 @ 1:23 pm

  9. Yea, I rip Dave all the time, but c’mon. Don’t pat yourself on the back too hard here. These two guys mashing is not exactly groundbreaking news. Similar articles yes, but relax.

    Comment by Telo — June 9, 2011 @ 1:24 pm

  10. Pretty obviously stolen from above posted article, no?

    Comment by Jeremy — June 9, 2011 @ 1:26 pm

  11. I think yours is actually a slightly better article – I like the graphic especially. Pity you’ve just been such an idiot about this one.

    Comment by Aaron — June 9, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

  12. Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

    Comment by TK — June 9, 2011 @ 1:36 pm

  13. I noticed something similar a while back – there are a strangely high amount of players this year walking more than striking out. Guys who have never even come close in their careers before. Usually it is just Pujols and a few other guys but this year there is a large group. Seems odd.

    Comment by Garrett — June 9, 2011 @ 1:38 pm

  14. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/159431351

    http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/rob-bradford/2011/05/23/how-adrian-gonzalez-has-helped-david-ortiz-re

    I remember seeing another article specifically about Ortiz’ approach with lefties, and the changes he’s made there with Gonzalez’ advice.

    Comment by Yirmiyahu — June 9, 2011 @ 2:07 pm

  15. Contact Year?

    Contract Rate?

    New terms for us to use!

    Comment by don — June 9, 2011 @ 2:30 pm

  16. Reynolds actually has cut his strikeout rate quite a bit this year, down 11% from last year and 7% below his career total. His ISO’s a little lower, but he’s also got an incredibly low BABIP (85 points below his career average), so it’s hard to know if he’s made tradeoffs or is simply dealing with some bad luck. He’s actually made improvements across the board- he’s swinging less often, even moreso at pitches outside the zone, he’s swinging and missing less often, and he’s making contact more often, both in and out of the zone. It appears from here that if he maintains what he’s done so far this year, he’s in for a big second half.

    None of this is to say he’s a good player per se, not once you take into account his glovework (or lack thereof).

    Comment by Ben — June 9, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

  17. Jeez Dave, don’t you know that your first duty is to scour the internet relentlessly in order to better massage the vanity of other SABRE-statisticians. Now say you’re sorry to poor little Jacob…

    Comment by Kellin — June 9, 2011 @ 2:54 pm

  18. Too bad this didn’t happen last year. Then we could have:
    “2010: The Year They Made Contact”

    Comment by Mike B. — June 9, 2011 @ 3:41 pm

  19. Forget about Prince and Papi….First there’s CircleChange11 acting douchy, and in turn, getting ripped in multiple threads today with red thumbs down a plenty. And then there’s Telo valiantly defending the honor and professional etiquette of Dave Cameron? WTF is going on?

    Comment by Confused — June 9, 2011 @ 8:06 pm

  20. @ confused- this is obviously a sample size issue.

    Comment by jpg — June 9, 2011 @ 8:15 pm

  21. Isn’t ortiz also a free agent?

    what I suspect, I’ll keep quiet – we’ve had enough of those discussions.

    Comment by bSpittle — June 10, 2011 @ 12:25 am

  22. According to the 2011 preseason ZiPS, there was an 11% chance that I would be ripped and/or thumb’d down for not supporting Little People as the Next Market Inefficiency.

    Where’s regression when you need it?

    *grin*

    Comment by CircleChange11 — June 10, 2011 @ 1:23 am

  23. I’ve been watching him, and I think it is.

    Most of the extra hits (and decline in strikeouts) have come from a change in hitting philosophy. It looks like he finally realized that he can’t pull pitches on the outer half of the plate anymore, and has started flicking more of them to right field.

    Last year he was a very pull-heavy hitter. Hes not anymore.

    Comment by RC — June 10, 2011 @ 2:15 am

  24. K, if nobody else will go there, I will. We are a few years out of the PED era, so would it really be a surprise if hitting (and even pitching) philosophies had to shift to account for power being less of a factor?

    Comment by Vote For Pedro — June 10, 2011 @ 9:54 am

  25. what a dumb comment by kellin. ya, you SHOULD be checking for other people’s works, especially at a popular site like BTBS. that’s how you avoid complaints of plagiarism.

    Comment by steve — June 10, 2011 @ 12:13 pm

  26. Prince doing well not cuz he is making contact, its thats hes more interested in making his next cont(r)act.

    Comment by hugh g. rection — June 10, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

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