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  1. colorado is ranked way high on this. Name five players on that team that are having good years.

    Comment by William — June 13, 2011 @ 4:07 pm

  2. I’m sure this isn’t a new thought, but it really seems like the Braves were underrated by the Fans when you at where they were in comparison to the Marlins, Mets, Rockies, and Tigers. And that’s not a comment made just on recent results-they looked like a team that would challenge the Phillies the NL East before the season, and despite some trials, they’re living up to it so far.

    Comment by Bronnt — June 13, 2011 @ 4:11 pm

  3. Re: the folks who always complain about Cleveland’s ranking.

    Cleveland has won just 4 of their last 18, and just 14-of-35. Just sayin’.

    Comment by Yirmiyahu — June 13, 2011 @ 4:12 pm

  4. Why do the comment sections for these weekly rankings always have to be people making the same criticism of the ranking system?

    Comment by balagast — June 13, 2011 @ 4:13 pm

  5. Oh look, another genius who doesn’t understand how these rankings work

    Comment by Matt — June 13, 2011 @ 4:17 pm

  6. How can you have the mariners below:
    Baltimore
    CHC
    Oakland
    Anaheim
    and the effing Mets??

    and at #26 for 2 weeks?

    The M’s are 1.5 back, recently won 6 series in a row, and have been playing great ball against everyone but the White Sox

    Comment by kylegocougs — June 13, 2011 @ 4:28 pm

  7. Tejada and Hall probably would be the most craptastic DP combo in history, however I expect we will rarely if ever see it. For now the Giants seem happy with the rookie Brandon Crawford at SS and the talk is if Tejada can continue to hit as he finally has the past few games they might try him at 2B when Sandoval returns, with Fontenot competing for playing time from both when he’s back and Hall and/or Burriss being the utility guys off the bench.

    Comment by ElJimador — June 13, 2011 @ 4:30 pm

  8. How can you have (Insert my team’s name here) below (teams above my team)!?!?!?!?!?

    Comment by Eric — June 13, 2011 @ 4:41 pm

  9. Because these rankings have very little to do with how the teams are playing.
    Oh, and Seattle has been ranked #26 on this chart for *at least* 7 weeks. (I didn’t check before 5/2).

    Comment by Nate — June 13, 2011 @ 4:45 pm

  10. this sounds like excellent methodology for an espn writer

    Comment by juan pierre's mustache — June 13, 2011 @ 4:49 pm

  11. Because these rankings are meant to dig deeper than win-loss record. We also got outscored while splitting the series against the Tigres.

    The fairly pessimistic preseason expectations for the team are affecting the ranking, but also our current team fWAR is pretty low. However, our pythag win% is right around .500, with rWAR more or less agreeing (we have 14.3 rWAR).

    With the current UZR samples being so unreliable, I wonder if they could be usefully regressed to zero based on the amount of season played (as MGL suggests in his UZR primer). Or, perhaps pythag could be incorporated into these rankings as an additional factor.

    Comment by VivaAyala — June 13, 2011 @ 4:52 pm

  12. Yuniesky Betancourt and Mike Aviles?

    Comment by anon — June 13, 2011 @ 5:00 pm

  13. If it were just WAR, Colorado would be much lower, but the FAN% counts for quite a bit right now. It’s a preseason estimate of the teams performance by the FAN graphs staff. Teams with a hot start relative to their FAN% rating have to fight against it. Teams with a cold start are flattered by their FAN% esteem. Colorado is one of these teams.

    It’d be interesting to have a pre-calculated WAR%/FAN% differential to be able to see the over/under performance by a team at a quicker glance. It’ll show how off the FAN% estimation is at this moment. As the season progresses, we’ll see team settle into their skill levels and then there will be stronger evidence that the FAN% is right and is wrong for certain teams.

    On a lighter note, this ranking system sucks!!!!!

    Comment by TanGengh — June 13, 2011 @ 5:13 pm

  14. All those guys are pretty craptastic Eljimador. Well except for Crawford who hasn’t had the time to show whether he will join the rest of the group. So pick any combo of those guys you want and you will have a less than stellar MI combo.

    Comment by Dustin — June 13, 2011 @ 5:14 pm

  15. Haven’t you heard? The White Sox are the new Metric System.

    Comment by Llewdor — June 13, 2011 @ 5:15 pm

  16. Contender??

    Comment by Dustin — June 13, 2011 @ 5:18 pm

  17. FAN% has nothing to do with the FanGraphs staff. The major criticism against the usage of the FAN% in the rankings (Cleveland’s early-season placement) has been essentially proven wrong.

    Comment by Dave Cameron — June 13, 2011 @ 5:19 pm

  18. The snark on this comment thread is alarming and hilarious.

    Comment by hawkinscm — June 13, 2011 @ 5:20 pm

  19. Hanley and Uggla

    Comment by Ja4ed — June 13, 2011 @ 5:23 pm

  20. this. I’m expecting to see a lot less tejada with sandoval back from the DL. LIke El-J says, I think fontenot and hall will probably split time at 2B, with crawford holding down SS.

    I was worried about the tejada signing before the season, but I didn’t think he’d be this bad. In Sabes’ defense, there weren’t a lot of good alternatives available.

    Comment by brendan — June 13, 2011 @ 6:13 pm

  21. For all the criticism, FAN looks reasonably reliable right now. Good for you, Paul, for sticking with your methodology despite the commentator temper-tantrums.

    Comment by Dave — June 13, 2011 @ 6:19 pm

  22. The tigers are about 5 spots too low.

    Comment by michael bourne — June 13, 2011 @ 6:38 pm

  23. So what are the theories for why the Rockies have been so much worse than their FAN%? Losing De La Rosa hurts, Ubaldo has been shaky, and Cargo isn’t what he was last year, but would that account for all of it? I can see them rebounding, but it’s tough to see them being tied for the 3rd best team in the majors, like FAN% says.

    Comment by Scott — June 13, 2011 @ 7:08 pm

  24. for worst DP combo in history (or at least within the last two years, heh.)

    Comment by anon — June 13, 2011 @ 7:51 pm

  25. If you think Crawford is craptastic on defense then you haven’t ever watched him play. Dude is a slick fielder.

    Comment by Matt — June 13, 2011 @ 7:55 pm

  26. Bill Hall is 31 years old.

    Comment by Steven — June 13, 2011 @ 7:58 pm

  27. That should have been in the form of a question. He’s been around forever it seems.

    Comment by Steven — June 13, 2011 @ 8:00 pm

  28. You are nicer than I am. I was just gonna say “where’d all the Indians fans go?” as they free fall into third or fourth.

    Comment by MikeS — June 13, 2011 @ 8:11 pm

  29. The early 2000′s Twins’ middle infields of Luis Rivas and Cristian Guzman were pretty bad for teams that won division titles.

    Comment by LeeTro — June 13, 2011 @ 8:12 pm

  30. Tejada has barely even played any SS since Crawford was called up.
    Crawford has been very very good defensively, easily the best infielder on SF’s roster. He has good hand, great range, and an accurate arm (although only average in strength).

    I dont know why the author thinks that Tejada and Hall will see any significant time on the field together a s DP combo.
    Fontenot will still play 2b over Hall, and should be back soon, and Crawford isnt going anywhere. Not a good hitter, but he has a good approach, only swinging at strikes, and walking over 10% of the time. And his defense is more valuable to the team than a guy who can hit marginally better, but has zero range or defensive ability whatsoever like Tejada.

    Comment by cs3 — June 14, 2011 @ 1:16 am

  31. Just saw that somone thinks Crawford is a “craptastic fielder”.
    That notionis completely and utterly wrong.
    Obviosu you havent watched any Giants games and I would be willing to gues that youre either:
    1) going by some advanced fielding metric whihc has not even come close to approaching a useable sample size, and are still very flawed and innacurrate even when the sample is significant, or
    2) you’re just making crap up off the top of your head and have no real clue.

    see what i just wrote below for a real perspective on Crawfords abilities

    Comment by cs3 — June 14, 2011 @ 1:21 am

  32. Just sayin’ what? Because it seems pretty odd that the people who were going ‘sometimes it happens’ when the Indians were winning a whole bunch of games refuse to admit that maybe, just maybe ‘sometimes it happens’ when they lose a whole bunch too. Arbitrarily picking the evidence we like because it fits the profile we want to believe certainly sounds sabermetrically sound.

    Comment by Steve — June 14, 2011 @ 1:58 am

  33. The major criticism has not been proven wrong. Since when does two weeks take precedence over two months? I’ll sit and wait while you display the evidence that the Indians will play the rest of the season at a 62 win pace.

    Comment by Steve — June 14, 2011 @ 2:05 am

  34. Never mind the keystone, how about Huff, Hall, Burriss, Tejada and Whiteside in the infield. (I think that may already have happened in the big loss to the Reds, but I don’t remember for sure.)

    Comment by GiantHusker — June 14, 2011 @ 11:54 am

  35. My theory is that the Rockies didn’t have nearly as much talent as most people thought, which I said before the season began.

    Comment by GiantHusker — June 14, 2011 @ 11:57 am

  36. Troy Tulowitzki, Chris Iannetta, Seth Smith, Todd Helton, Jorge de la Rosa (pre-injury), Jhoulys Chacin.
    Do you want more because I can’t count and want to make sure you tell me when I reach 5.

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — June 14, 2011 @ 12:06 pm

  37. Matt Lindstrom, Matt Reynolds, Rafael Betancourt, Juan Nicasio. However Reynolds and Nicasio are very small sample size for RPs.

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — June 14, 2011 @ 12:08 pm

  38. If you think JETER is craptastic on defense then you haven’t ever watched him play. Dude is a slick fielder.

    Sorry, lame but funny.

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — June 14, 2011 @ 12:12 pm

  39. Good alternatives? No, but they could have actually PAID Juan Uribe.

    Comment by My echo and bunnymen — June 14, 2011 @ 12:13 pm

  40. Maybe you didn’t read the original article. It reads, ” As always, we want to know what you think, so be sure to let us know in the comments.” ;)

    Comment by Barkey Walker — June 14, 2011 @ 1:40 pm

  41. HEY! dont do that to the giants. its the best options they got right now unless someone is gonna shop a better option… and no Jose Reyes is not the answer for the giants because we need right handed middle of the order bat that can play middle infield. Maybe along the lines of Ben Zobrist? I think that the giants could make it happen by giving them a top-shelf reliever (Romo, Lopez, Ramirez, Runzler) and possibly Brandon Belt because I know they are looking for 1B/DH type. Belt is a great 1B prospect who has versatility, projects to hit for a very high average with average to above average power (20-5 HRS), and shows very good fielding ability both at 1B and in the OF as well. Romo is a terrific reliever who is young and dirty against right handers, Lopez is unhittable against lefties, Ramirez has great downward tilt on everything he throws and gets a ton of groundballs, and Runzler is still a bit of a project still but has and uncanny delivery from the left side that allows for great amounts of movement on everything he throws (High K, High BB). So Whatever type of reliever the Rays want cuz they have been struggling in that department coupled with a young hitter who projects really well could allow them to part with Zobrist in favor of Sean Rodriguez. but I can only hope Sabean thinks of something along those lines.

    Comment by savery1406 — June 14, 2011 @ 3:04 pm

  42. Tejada is gettin hot. Do not write him off. He aint the fielder or hitter he once was, but he’s a savvy vet who get hot at different points to help this club out, especially with Freddy going down now. I think that you will see Bochy riding the hot hand at 3B and 2B, cuz while Sandoval has played better this season he still has a short leash and can easily lose his job if Hall/Tejada/Fontenot get hot at any point. 2B will be even more of a toss up between those three and you could also see Hall playing a bit of LF with Burrell being terrible and Nate not hitting consistently.

    Comment by savery1406 — June 14, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

  43. My question is where is Carlos Gonzalez, lol.

    Comment by Ivdown — June 14, 2011 @ 7:25 pm

  44. A decent hitting second sacker would certainly be nice. But with Panda back & Crawford seeming to hold down SS pretty well thus far, Second Base will be the Utility spot that the left side was last year. Bochy can alternate between Burriss & Fontenot depending on matchups and get a mediocre bat/great glove out of them. Shedding any of the relievers doesn’t seem like a very good idea, as they are the HUGE reason the G-men are winning at all this year, when the return/improvement at 2b won’t be that big a deal (unless Brandon Phillips is suddenly available!)

    Comment by kellin — June 15, 2011 @ 1:01 am

  45. If you’re interested, the Nats have this kid named Matt Stairs, he’s only 43 years old, and he can “play” infield…

    Comment by jorgath — June 15, 2011 @ 7:45 am

  46. This is a bunch of crap. The best record, team, pitching and favorite for the WS resides in Philly. They are 1A to a Yankees team that can not pitch and a Red Sox team with no bullpen……………what a joke!!!!

    Comment by les — June 15, 2011 @ 5:40 pm

  47. This is a bunch of crap. The best record, team, pitching and favorite for the WS resides in Philly. They are 1A to a Yankees team that can not pitch and a Red Sox team with no bullpen……………what a joke!!!! Oh and they have compiled this reord while thier starting second baseman, ss, catcher, right fielder, 3 and 5 starters and thier closer and set-up man have all spent significant time on the DL. I would love to hear the crying in New York or Boston if this was the case for thier teams!!!!

    Comment by les — June 15, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

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