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  1. The opportunity is with calling up Dayan Viciedo to take over LF.

    Comment by baty — June 23, 2011 @ 1:08 pm

  2. or RF so they can shift Quentin over to LF.

    Comment by baty — June 23, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

  3. Q: Why Juan Pierre?
    A: Ozzie.

    Comment by juan pierre's mustache — June 23, 2011 @ 1:17 pm

  4. “rate him natively in left field”

    Comment by Telo — June 23, 2011 @ 1:19 pm

  5. The rest of us also saw that typo, but we know what he intended.

    Comment by GiantHusker — June 23, 2011 @ 1:30 pm

  6. the forthcoming site fangraphsgraphs will feature daily updated stats and charts covering the typographical and grammatical ability of fangraphs writers

    Comment by juan pierre's mustache — June 23, 2011 @ 1:31 pm

  7. trade pierre to the brewers for mark kotsay. kotsay would be perfect in LF and is also a great part-time DH.

    Comment by brendan — June 23, 2011 @ 1:41 pm

  8. he has lost a step and that has pretty much deprived him of any worth he previously had.

    Comment by craigws — June 23, 2011 @ 1:45 pm

  9. The forthcoming site FanGraphsAHoleCommenters.com will feature daily articles discussing things like:

    “effect” vs “affect”
    when does “i” come before “e”
    who shoved this stick up my rear
    how many commas is too many commas

    No wonder mla.org readership is down, they’re all over hear criticizing the grammar of baseball articles.

    Comment by FanGraphsAHoleCommenters — June 23, 2011 @ 1:48 pm

  10. btw… “here” rather than “hear”

    Comment by FanGraphsAHoleCommenters — June 23, 2011 @ 1:49 pm

  11. You sick bastard.

    Comment by ryno — June 23, 2011 @ 1:55 pm

  12. pierre would be….in a platoon with ryan braun? im confused

    Comment by juan pierre's mustache — June 23, 2011 @ 2:07 pm

  13. Yes, I’m sure the Brewers are just chomping at the bit to have Carlos Gomez, Nyjer Morgan AND Juan Pierre all sitting on the bench at the same time. It’s be like the Michael Keaton movie “Multiplicity” except somehow dumber.

    Comment by Trotter76 — June 23, 2011 @ 2:07 pm

  14. Hey, it’s fun for me to heckle how horribly written and edited Joe’s articles are. Plus, I didn’t even make a snarky comment. That’s upward progress.

    Comment by Telo — June 23, 2011 @ 2:09 pm

  15. Pierre’s contact % and swinging strike % are at his career levels. He is hitting more fly balls than usual which has dropped his BABIP somewhat, but I do think it’s the loss of speed that is killing him (both at the plate and on the bases).

    Pierre did a similar thing last year, struggling to get hits before July. He turned it on in July and August, and that must be what Ozzie thinks will happen this season as well. The difference again, in my eyes, is the speed, as Pierre had 29 SB by the end of June last year.

    I would bench him, but I am only pretend Ozzie.

    Comment by OzzieGuillen — June 23, 2011 @ 2:14 pm

  16. Ha. Ha. First Multiplicity reference I’ve seen ’round these parts…

    (And it was a very welcome reference indeed.)

    Comment by Jason B — June 23, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

  17. Is there some predisposed maximum amount of commas I’m not aware of?

    Comment by Ryan — June 23, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

  18. This is the most accurate statement of all time. Speed doesn’t slump, but when it goes, it’s gone forever.

    Comment by Karl Dilkington — June 23, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

  19. I think there is something to be said about the way defenses now play Pierre. They use a shift on him that’s as drastic as anything used on Ortiz, Dunn, etc.

    The infielders move up slightly and the outfielders move up drastically. Now I could be very wrong, but this seems like a newer alignment versus Juan. I didn’t notice it last year.

    But anyhow, those little pathetic flyballs that used to drop are falling right into mitts. I think this is why the fly ball rate has increased as he is trying to now hit the ball over the outfielders heads. A skill he does not have because he isn’t very good.

    I think this, along with his declining speed have coupled to lower his BABIP and make him one of the worst players in the game as opposed to his usual consistent just badness.

    Comment by Karl Dilkington — June 23, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

  20. Don’t forget responses featuring a single, all-caps lettered, ‘STEROIDS’.

    Comment by Big Jgke — June 23, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

  21. juan pierre is arguably a test case for how difficult a little person would find it to get hits against an intelligently positioned defense

    Comment by juan pierre's mustache — June 23, 2011 @ 2:35 pm

  22. should the title have had an extra comma in it? as far as i can tell, it makes more sense to ask “why, juan pierre? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY”

    Comment by juan pierre's mustache — June 23, 2011 @ 2:39 pm

  23. But Ozzie is a “baseball person!” He don’t care ’bout no sabremetrics.

    Comment by TheGrandSlamwich — June 23, 2011 @ 2:44 pm

  24. I think it’s in Kenny’s hands… If Viciedo were on the roster, he’d be playing every day and Pierre would be on the pine.

    Comment by James — June 23, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

  25. I agree that a decline in speed seems to be Juan’s problem. In April, he dropped a whole lot of routine fly balls, but even since he’s fixed that problem, the defense just hasn’t been what it was last year. He also looks totally lost on the basepaths; he’s been caught stealing EASILY in nearly half his attempts, and picked off on several other occasions.

    Juan Pierre’s value in his career has come from putting the ball in play, stealing bases, and catching the ball (certainly not throwing it). And since he doesn’t have any of those working now, he might as well be Andy Gonzalez.

    Comment by mikecws91 — June 23, 2011 @ 2:50 pm

  26. I implore you to find one major league manager that does. Players and former players are allergic to any statistic that requires more than one mathematical operation.

    Comment by mikecws91 — June 23, 2011 @ 2:52 pm

  27. I don’t know, with his range, I think he’s probably better suited for 1B. Probably a late inning defensive replacement for Fielder or when the Brewers want to go with a small lineup.

    Comment by James — June 23, 2011 @ 2:52 pm

  28. Hahaha you make funny joke.

    Comment by SP Ver2.0 — June 23, 2011 @ 2:54 pm

  29. Francona and Maddon are the first two that come immediately to mind.

    Comment by TheGrandSlamwich — June 23, 2011 @ 3:06 pm

  30. I was at the game yesterday, its obvious Pierre is really upset with himself and is struggling.

    The guy goes into yesterdays game hit 390ish off of Doug Davis, then proceeds to not get a single hit off of Davis. He reached base on an error. Davis was not all that great yesterday either.

    Its really sad, but right now Sox fans are so frustrated with him. I have zero idea on how anyone can justify playing him at this point. I understand Ozzie wanting to protect his guy, but enough is enough, he not only provides nothing… he actively hurts the team.

    Kenny is at fault as well, he is the GM, he needs to tell Ozzie “tough crap, don’t play him”. Lillibridge is a plus defender at the very worst, Pierre is not.

    Comment by Steve from Rockford — June 23, 2011 @ 3:28 pm

  31. Also, Rios is very quickly pulling himself together and has had some very big hits over the past week. Soon Pierre will be dead last on the team in wOBA.

    Comment by Steve from Rockford — June 23, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

  32. No chance. Ozzie loves Pierre. He wouldn’t bench him regularly. THe only reason Vicedo isn’t up is because Ozzie told Kenny that he wouldn’t be able to find a place for him every day, and both of them agree that Vicedo shouldn’t come up until he’s going to play every day.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — June 23, 2011 @ 4:08 pm

  33. Lol, only Sox fans get that.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — June 23, 2011 @ 4:09 pm

  34. Not like Viciedo’s obs will be much better, but at least he’ll give you a better average and more pop. Despite what Buddy Bell I’d like to see Viciedo play in Rf before believing Bell saying he could be a major league RF right now.

    Comment by The Jam — June 23, 2011 @ 4:20 pm

  35. In my sick and twisted baseball world, I have no use for corner outfielders that can’t give me a MINIMUM of 20 homers. I didn’t check but I’m fairly certain Pierre’s career total wouldn’t even qualify. When you’re claim to fame was base stealing, which he can no longer do, there is no justifiable reason to keep him on the roster….other than the fact that Ozzie romanticizes about the 20th century concept of the “fast, slappy, lead-off hitter.”

    Comment by Sox2727 — June 23, 2011 @ 4:42 pm

  36. Heh, maybe we can pick up Andruw Jones again as well to bring back combo-player Mandruw Kojones

    Comment by Yinka Double Dare — June 23, 2011 @ 5:20 pm

  37. Frankly, he’s so bad he might as well be Andy the Clown.

    Comment by Yinka Double Dare — June 23, 2011 @ 5:23 pm

  38. no one is making you read his articles if you dont like them. You just read them so you can be an asshole in the comments? He isnt the best writer, but he is in no way terrible. At least he doesnt get a kick out of insulting other peoples work like you do.

    Comment by phoenix2042 — June 23, 2011 @ 5:40 pm

  39. Maybe we can trade Pierre into retirement for Everett and Alomar?

    Comment by steex — June 23, 2011 @ 5:49 pm

  40. joe girardi is constantly made fun of for managing with his little binder. He actually looks at numbers the whole game and is one of the few managers to change his lineup for lefty or righty starting pitchers (beyond just platoon guys). And yes he realizes that gardner instead of jeter should be leading off, but hes decided that the benefit of jeter getting fewer PA is outweighed by the scandal of moving him down.

    Comment by phoenix2042 — June 23, 2011 @ 5:49 pm

  41. Carl Crawford? TAKE A SEAT!

    (I would hope that single example would show the absurdity of your random, arbitrary cut-off point.)

    Comment by Jason B — June 23, 2011 @ 7:14 pm

  42. I disagree with your conclusion that “…there‚Äôs also a strong case for removing him as a starter completely.” He shouldn’t lose his starting spot, he should lose his roster spot. DFA him, he’s done.

    Viciedo is hitting 324/364/520 at AAA and has even upped his BB% to 5.3%.

    Lillebridge is fine where he is, playing him much more will expose him.

    -DFA Pierre.
    -Give Viciedo his PA’s.
    -Keep Lillebridge where he is or use him a little more for defense for Quentin and Viciedo.
    -Hit Ramirez leadoff. If Rios picks it up a little he can lead off too.

    Those four moves can’t possibly be worse than running Pierre out there six days a week.

    Comment by MikeS — June 23, 2011 @ 9:16 pm

  43. Brett The Jet Gardner says hi, and slaps a single right into your face.

    Comment by delv — June 23, 2011 @ 10:08 pm

  44. And the past 10 years of Ichiro.

    Comment by jrogers — June 23, 2011 @ 10:49 pm

  45. Juan Pierre had 22 extra base hits in 160 games last year, and has 8 in 73 games this year. Carl Crawford has never had numbers that putrid. I deem 22 extra base hits the definition of slappy, I hope your brain can function enough for you to realize the ABSURDITY of comparing Carl Crawford to Juan Pierre.

    Comment by Sox2727 — June 23, 2011 @ 11:42 pm

  46. “I hope your brain can function enough for you to realize the ABSURDITY of comparing Carl Crawford to Juan Pierre.”

    Says the guy who set a ridiculous arbitrary HR minimum that was just totally deflated with a single, off-the-top-of-the-head example.

    Comment by Jason B — June 23, 2011 @ 11:52 pm

  47. Obviously your tiny mortal brain can’t comprehend the awesomeness of his point…move along, move along. I’ve already been summarily dismissed even though I was just pointing out an obvious flaw in his logic.

    Comment by Jason B — June 23, 2011 @ 11:55 pm

  48. I’ve always seen it as the job of a manager to determine when probability may or may not be telling the truth. Ozzie is awfully stubborn, but to say that sabermetrics isn’t a caring part of this lifestyle nowadays is self indulgent.

    Comment by baty — June 24, 2011 @ 1:39 am

  49. Actually, Carlos Zambrano has more career home runs than Juan Pierre. Z has 22 in 696 career PA (.240/.250/.391), while Pierre has just 15 in 7128 PA (.296/.345/.363). And it should be noted, as far as Pierre’s speed goes, that this is the logical conclusion to a career that has seen him pilfer 537 bases, but be caught 182 times. He has thrice led the league in SB (01, 03 and 10), but he has been #1 in CS 6 times, including all 3 of his top-thief seasons and each year from 03 through 06. His career success rate is 74.6%, which is pretty much the conventional cutoff point for whether or not a guy should run to begin with. As far as slappy goes, Pierre’s only at 16.8% on his XBH – 321 of 1916 hits for extra bases. As the Cubs found out when they gave up the farm for him, he’s overrated because he was speedy. Now, he’s just a tenured Tony Campana.

    Comment by Dann M — June 24, 2011 @ 2:13 am

  50. So there’s a flaw in logic when a guy’s career high in wOBA is .343?

    Comment by Sox2727 — June 24, 2011 @ 8:59 am

  51. Dont’f forget the unofficial required format for all titles in MLA–”Bad Pun: Jargon Laden Description of My Project.” As a humanities scholar, I am very, very guilty of following that template.

    Comment by insignificantwrangler — June 24, 2011 @ 11:55 am

  52. Umm…yeah? You would have “no use for” Crawford since he doesn’t homer 20 times a year. I will happily take him and his 34.1 cumulative WAR over the past seven seasons (or 4.9 per).

    Am I saying he’s the best player, or even the best corner outfielder, ever? Or even playing currently? Not at all. Worth his contract? Jury is still out. Worth playing on a contender? Definitely, in a heartbeat. Can’t believe that we’re even having this mind-numbing discussion…

    Comment by Jason B — June 24, 2011 @ 1:36 pm

  53. Are you this simple that you can’t understand what the issue is here. Let me refer you to my previous comment where I said “…I hope your brain can function enough for you to realize the ABSURDITY of comparing Carl Crawford to Juan Pierre.” So clearly there I’m stating I would have no use for Carl Crawford. I’ll type this s l o w l y so you can c o m p r e h e n d. When you’re a corner outfield you essentially have to be one of two types of players: either hit 20+ homers and have a .360+ wOBA, or steal 50+ bases while playing stellar defense. Juan Pierre is NEITHER!

    My previous point was that I personally prefer corner outfielders that hit for power, the examples of Crawford, Ichiro, and Gardner are not of that mold obviously, but they make up for it with the other aspects of their game. JUAN PIERRE DOESN’T…I had no idea I had to be so detailed in my explanation so you could understand that Juan Pierre blows.

    Comment by Sox2727 — June 24, 2011 @ 5:32 pm

  54. The brewers do need more speed on the bench

    Comment by adohaj — June 24, 2011 @ 6:58 pm

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