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  1. telling juan pierre that he’s benched would be like striking a helpless child in the face over and over

    Comment by juan pierre's mustache — June 27, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

  2. I have a feeling Ackley will beat out that Zips ROS too

    Comment by Jeff — June 27, 2011 @ 2:26 pm

  3. So… awesome?

    Comment by Steven — June 27, 2011 @ 2:38 pm

  4. Chone has basically become Justin Smoak’s personal pinch-runner now. I wish I were paid millions to suck at baseball, sigh….

    Comment by Frog — June 27, 2011 @ 2:49 pm

  5. So DFA him instead

    Comment by WSO — June 27, 2011 @ 2:56 pm

  6. Since when does Chone Figgins suck at baseball?

    Comment by Person — June 27, 2011 @ 2:58 pm

  7. Since when did stating the fact that Chone Figgins now sucks at baseball become controversial?

    Comment by TylerTheCreator — June 27, 2011 @ 3:17 pm

  8. Since he signed with the Mariners

    Comment by Joe — June 27, 2011 @ 3:17 pm

  9. since last year?

    Comment by Carlos (@carlos_el) — June 27, 2011 @ 3:21 pm

  10. So, 5org?

    Comment by dc — June 27, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

  11. Or did he mean that Figgins sucks relative to his peers? Which is undebatable. But why would the poster get paid millions to suck relative to his peers?

    *Actually, I know this what he meant. I’m just making an obtuse point. Sorry.

    Comment by Person — June 27, 2011 @ 3:32 pm

  12. I’m not sure what your definition of “suck” is, but check out his numbers and get back to us. (Keeping in mind those numbers don’t really show you how bad he’s looked fielding 3B, either)

    Comment by joser — June 27, 2011 @ 4:22 pm

  13. Tell me about it. Jordan Schafer and his .295 OBP looks to be permanently nestled into the leadoff spot. Ugh.

    Comment by Ryan — June 27, 2011 @ 4:51 pm

  14. is the adrian beltre syndrome?

    Comment by vancer49 — June 27, 2011 @ 5:18 pm

  15. No. Beltre was a very solid player who played excellent defense and had an okay bat in Seattle, but was limited by the stadium. Figgins is playing mediocre defense and his bat would be terrible in any stadium.

    On the positive side, Figgins isn’t costing the team nearly as much as Beltre did. It seemed like a good signing at the time (and, in fact, $9m per year isn’t quite the financial albatross people are making it out to be; I still would not trade Figgins for Jason Bay).

    Comment by Random Guy — June 27, 2011 @ 5:28 pm

  16. …it’s hard to hit in the Safe.

    Comment by Streetphilosophy — June 27, 2011 @ 5:33 pm

  17. lol

    Comment by bender — June 27, 2011 @ 5:46 pm

  18. < I know what you meant, I'm just making an acute point.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — June 27, 2011 @ 6:18 pm

  19. It seems like Schafer has been playing much better lately. Was stealing bases at a decent rate and fairly often too so maybe he’s doing better. Plus it’s not like Atlanta has a lot of options. Uggla hitting .175ish, Heyward at .227, in fact, only Chipper and Beast are above .250. I used their BA because I can look all those up at once, OBP takes longer.

    Plus Freddi seems old school. You know, even if you have Johnny Venters in the pen, Big Ern McCracken himself throwing bowling balls, you still don’t use him with the bases loaded and less than 2 outs unless it’s the 8th. A jagoff in other words.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — June 27, 2011 @ 6:21 pm

  20. It’s hard to hit in Safe, plus the top 3 AL teams in pitching based on runs allowed/game are Seattle, Oakland, and the Los Angeles, California Angles of Anaheim. So he has to hit or face really good pitching a lot.

    If he played in the AL East, well his numbers would be worse because of the vast amount of talent in the AL East, most their pitchers would dominate the AL East but the hitting in the East is just that good, but ANY OTHER division he’d….okay he’d still suck.

    At least he’s not signed for very long…well he kinda is.

    Hmmm. Maybe he’ll bounce back, his WAR seems to go 4, 1.something, 4, 1.something, 4, 1.something, now it’s -0.3. Supposedly has saved 6 runs from defense.

    All seriousness aside. I don’t see a lot of Mariners games, mostly because they don’t exist according to most national media outlets. So I don’t know is it his bat speed, pitch recognition? What is it?

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — June 27, 2011 @ 6:31 pm

  21. No, but slightly higher than 17org maybe?

    Comment by joser — June 27, 2011 @ 6:32 pm

  22. since he left the angels

    Comment by BigtimeM'sfan — June 27, 2011 @ 7:11 pm

  23. ichiro has don it for years so thats kind of a weak excuse

    Comment by BigtimeM'sfan — June 27, 2011 @ 7:13 pm

  24. i think its more that he has nobody around him that any other team is cared of so they just go right after him unlike when he was with the angels

    Comment by BigtimeM'sfan — June 27, 2011 @ 7:15 pm

  25. Please. I was at a game a few weeks ago and after every week Pierre groundout I was chanting D-F-A! I don’t actually know what Juan Pierre does for a living because it’s not playing baseball.

    the fact that Viciedo of all people would be a defensive upgrade as well tells you all you need to know.

    Comment by MikeS — June 27, 2011 @ 7:33 pm

  26. Yep, if only the M’s had Ackley to protect him, Figgins would hit a ton.

    Yet, it’s hard to call any team that runs Peguero out there on a regular basis the team that “gets it.”

    Comment by bookbook — June 27, 2011 @ 8:40 pm

  27. Small sample size alert. But watching the game in person last night and seeing Ackley live for the first time, I was surprised at how hard he was hitting the ball. He was hitting it hard and on a line… it was nice to see.

    I do acknowledge that it was a Mariners/Marlins game, though, and it doesn’t take a whole lot to stand out in those line-ups right now…

    Comment by Seattleite — June 27, 2011 @ 9:01 pm

  28. Using Ichiro as an example of how anyone should succeed at hitting is a weak example. Not weak as in Ichiro is weak, but weak as in you’re using one of the best pure hitters of the last forever as an example of how people can succeed. Like saying Rasmus should hit better in St. Louis because Pujols does.

    Comment by Antonio Bananas — June 27, 2011 @ 9:39 pm

  29. Yeah OBP leaderboards are real tough to find…oh wait.

    Comment by Nik — June 27, 2011 @ 9:48 pm

  30. Not like they have more compelling options than Peguero. Their first choices this year were Michael Saunders and then Milton Bradley, those failed, so now Peguero’s getting a look. You think that guy’s a hacker, wait until you see Greg Halman.

    Comment by Random Guy — June 27, 2011 @ 10:12 pm

  31. Carp and Wilson aren’t major league quality, but they’d beat Peggy at his current level.

    Yeah, though, it’s hard to remember when Saunders was a legitimate prospect.

    Comment by bookbook — June 28, 2011 @ 12:11 am

  32. “It’s hard to hit in Safe, plus the top 3 AL teams in pitching based on runs allowed/game are Seattle, Oakland, and the Los Angeles, California Angles of Anaheim. So he has to hit or face really good pitching a lot.”

    That fact doesn’t tell us this teams have good pitching. Perhaps it’s because they face each other all the time, and they all have terrible offenses.

    Comment by AJS — June 28, 2011 @ 12:57 am

  33. Why? He’s a good 4th or 5th OF, defensive replacement (Quintin anyone?) and pinch runner. That has value for a team chasing the playoffs. Plus he’s owed 3 million-ish. Designating Pierre makes about as much sense as starting him.

    That’s not to mention what you can’t quantify. A statement like that demonstrates you’re not appreciating the actual game anymore, just the numbers. He’s a veteran. He’s been there. Does his job without complaining. When he was on the Dodgers and had his consecutive game streak broken when Manny came he never complained. Still showed up to the park before anyone else every game. Worked harder than anyone. Great role model for young players. Don’t forget that the game is played by people, people that have the ability to work to better themselves, make right or wrong decisions, act or choose not to act responsibly, that can choose to take their job seriously or not… Not computer simulations or mathematical formulas. Don’t forget the human side. Both the Red Sox and Rays put a huge emphasis on sabermetrics. But both put a huge emphasis on phychological analysis too. Or to put it a way more saber friendly… There are two parts to the equation.

    Comment by Shortsighted — June 28, 2011 @ 4:19 am

  34. No sweat.

    You can still make thousands for sucking at the job you have.

    Heh Heh.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — June 28, 2011 @ 9:52 am

  35. Easy there guys, I’d say you’re both right on point.

    Comment by B N — July 5, 2011 @ 1:35 am

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