You know, the Moneyball philosophy was NOT strictly finding player who took a lot of walks, but rather finding market inefficiencies. At that time, time market undervalued walks, so that’s what Beane went after. It pains me to see people in a baseball forum continue to get this wrong….
yeah, it’s been tough to watch these impotent A’s lineups last few years. even hitters who were good elsewhere lose there effectiveness! Willingham and DeJesus, in particular, have really disappointed this year
As an A’s fan, and despite his recent ineffectiveness, I am sad to see Ellis gone. One of my favorite moments at an A’s game was his walk-off grandslam off the left field foul pole. I wish him the best in Colorado and hope Weeks can keep up what he’s done thus far in his MLB career!
Comment by TheGrandslamwich — June 30, 2011 @ 8:17 pm
Did you miss this portion, which explicitly makes the point that “pains you” to see someone miss?
“Jemile Weeks only embodies the Moneyball philosophy with his high walk rates, a quality that hardly qualifies as a market inefficiency anymore. Players like Weeks who put the ball in play, run well and play an up-the-middle position are hot commodities everywhere.”
It really makes me mad to see the “A” give Ellis the boot. It was said buy one of the announcers that “how do you replace a gold glove 2nd baseman with a rookie” This I really agree with. I watch as many games as CSNCAILF. televises Channel 698 on Diretv. I just might change from routing for the A’s
It will interesting to se how Ellis responds in Colorado. If he can hit well enough to stay on the field their pitching should improve.
Comment by Edwincnelson — June 30, 2011 @ 10:40 pm
Comment by Streams of Whiskey — June 30, 2011 @ 10:50 pm
His current contract, however, was no insignificant part of the Athletics’ recent failures. This year, he has provided nothing in a weak AL West, and although he was productive in 2010, he was also weak in the initial year, 2009. Overall, with the Rockies taking on $1 million of his deal in the trade, the A’s ended up paying Ellis $15.5 million for 4.6 WAR. A respectable $3.4 million per win total for most franchises, but for the A’s, extending Mark Ellis was supposed to be a significant money-saving move, not a marginal victory for the pocketbook.
So the A’s getting $4.5M in surplus value over three years of a free agent contract (plus whatever unlikely returns they get from Billings and the PTBNL), is a significant cause of their recent failures?
Actually, the A’s started the year with their 8 highest paid hitters owed $40 million. Those guys have produced a total of 3 WAR thus far. And that 3 WAR has come from Crisp/Suzuki/Jackson, while Ellis, Willingham, DeJesus, Matsui, and Kouz have combined to be replacement level.
This is fairly typical of the A’s over the past 5 years. They put out enough pre-arb talent on the field that they should be able to compete, even with their modest payroll, but they end up barely getting anything out of the mid-tier guys (and Chavez) they splurge on.
Considering his fairly impressive minor league career, why is Weeks’s ZiPS (R) so crappy? I’m trying to figure out if he’s worth keeping as my fantasy 2B – that position has been a black hole for me most of the year (I drafted Beckham), but I picked Weeks up two weeks ago and he’s been a real help. I just don’t know whether I should stick with him or maybe go with Chris Getz. Thoughts?
I don’t think Billy would have made a deal like this without a solid backup option if Weeks doesn’t work out (Cardenas). But I’m still wondering what the long term plan is for Adrian because I do not see him as a major league OF or 3B. Probably try to trade him for a washed up Youk.
Yeah, I was saying the A’s were the only team that used steroids. Clearly that was my point.
The Moneyball A’s were good because they had good young starters, didn’t overpay for bullpen, didn’t take on huge salaries, made good trades with players nearing the end of their contracts, and played in the AL West.
The point I WAS making was that OAK’s difference in offense was that they got huge production from a light hitting great defensive shortstop turned MVP and an on base machine with great power, both under team control that left as FA or trades.
They also got good value by letting go of two lefties that did not pitch as well after leaving the pitcher friendly park and/or were on the downswing.
I’m not necessarily seeing where they outsmarted everyone, but it’s been a while since I’ve read Moneyball.
Not overpaying with long megacontracts for stars was not something they had as an option, and that’s one thing that other clubs do/did that gets/got them into trouble.
Before Moneyball and the salary explosion, the A’s were pretty good with 3 consecutive ROY’s and career reclamations by Duncan (Stewart, Eck, etc).
The A’s are currently built on good value in return for trading stars with contracts that won’t be renewed by OAK. They’ve went with pitching and defense because power costs big money, which they don’t have. Not necessarily because they are outsmarting other teams. I liked the chances they took on Sheets and Holliday, but those moved didn’t prove as fruitful as other trades (such as Mulder for Haren, etc).
Had the A’s had more money they might have been the ones to give Zito and Mulder long-term extensions. In cases like those it’s hard to tell the difference between being poor and being thrifty.
Comment by CircleChange11 — July 2, 2011 @ 1:39 am
That is wrong on so many levels. A) The Redsox would never do that B) Yeah, that’s exactly what the A’s wanna do pick up more salary. They totally have the ability to take guys on the decline with big contracts.
I think this little section of comments may be right. Hudson, Mulder, and Zito were pretty awesome. I wonder if Beane had been the GM of the Brewers during the same period if he’d be as famous. The 4 team division does help a lot. If you luck out and 2 of the teams suck. Let’s say you take 2 teams out of the NL Central and leave the Pirates, Cubs, Astros, and Reds. That COULD be the quality of this years AL West.
Comment by Antonio Bananas — July 8, 2011 @ 1:39 am
I would love the Royals offense and pen along with Oakland’s SP.
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