Hmm. Must’ve misread the book, but im farily certain Tango said #2/4 is where the most balanced and important hitters go, with #2 getting the edge b/c of the larger nbr of plate appearances. Again, could be wrong b/c its been a few years since I’ve read it and talked batting order, but can anyone confirm?
Comment by Jeffrey Gross — July 13, 2011 @ 4:40 pm
How pointless was it to put the DH rule in an NL park last night during the ASG??
It’s not like pitchers have ever really hit in the ASG before. The reserve position players pinch-hit for the pitcher and then a new one comes in. Why the DH rule?
Pointless! At least when you choose the pinch hitter for the pitcher with NL rules, you can put in the best hitter for the offense and against the current opposing pitcher considering the situation at hand.
Having a DH left the teams with a designated person in the lineup when they could have chosen from ANY of the reserves with NL rules. It didn’t even make any difference in the score of the game (5-1, still a low score). Stupidity! Where does Selig come up with these dumb ideas??
NL park should have NL rules.
Comment by Templeton1979 — July 13, 2011 @ 7:11 pm
I don’t think the DH created any more AL fans (Yankees were already the most popular AL team even before the rules changed in 1973) and the NL teams didn’t lose any fans due to it either. Increased popularity has come with championships (Look at the Giants, Phillies and Red Sox in the past few years) not from having or not having the DH rule.
Comment by Templeton1979 — July 13, 2011 @ 7:12 pm
In reality, it looks like most MLB managers go with conventional wisdom for lineup construction and not the run simulators. The major concern seems to be breaking up spots in the lineup by handedness, to combat specialty relievers like LOOGY’s. I wonder if a team would ever be willing to put a recognized slugging machine like Jose Bautista batting first, even though his OBP indicates he should be there.
Comment by Phantom Stranger — July 13, 2011 @ 7:59 pm
Actually, 1,2,4 are equal in quality. More walks 1, 2, then 4. More extra base hits 4, 2, then 1.
I’m not sure what the problem is, there’s nothing you can do in an NL game that you can’t do in an AL game. You can sub for the DH like anyone else, and you can move your DH into the field and stop using one whenever you want.
Jays did this to start last year. Bautista batted leadoff in April. But it’s not just his OBP you talking about. His power is wasted at the leadoff spot since he will come to bat even more often with nobody on base. At least that’s what conventional wisdom would say if your worst OBP guys are batting 8 and 9.
Man, that Rangers lineup is balanced. Only team with all 9 above .300. They could put them out there in any order and still score a lot of runs.
Comment by Calm Like A Bomb — July 14, 2011 @ 9:42 am
Perhaps FG can add batting order in the splits to check this stuff out on our own?
And I think there is something wrong with sorting by team/position. For the Cubs, center field appears to take all of Reed Johnsons plate app’s into consideration, and right field ALSO takes all of Reed’s plate app’s into consideration, as does left field. Can’t it be so that only his CF PA’s go into the Cubs CF stats?
Woodrum, could you please write an article on the effect of SABR knowledge on amateur summer league softball/baseball? Maybe do a survey of some of the fangraphs writers and assess their approaches to plate discipline and other SABR-friendly concepts. I, for one, have taken to the Brett Gardner approach in my amateur games, but I still get batted 9th at times. :(