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  1. So where would Brett Anderson have ranked before, well, an hour ago?

    Comment by benjipants — July 14, 2011 @ 1:04 pm

  2. After seeing Garcia come in at 26, I am really interested to see what Dave does with Atlanta’s young starting pitchers. Obviously Hanson will be on here, but what about Beachy and Jurrjens? JJ compares favorably to Garcia in all but his contract, but I imagine that might be enough to keep him off this list.

    Comment by Mike — July 14, 2011 @ 1:15 pm

  3. No aramis ramirez yet? Man, I can’t imagine how much higher he could possibly be!

    Comment by jeffrey gross — July 14, 2011 @ 1:29 pm

  4. This has been a great day for my fellow members of the tribe. No, not the Indians. #31- Ryan Braun
    #30- Ian Kinsler
    #29- Kevin Youkilis
    Three Jews in a row… l’chaim!

    Comment by Sitting Curveball — July 14, 2011 @ 1:32 pm

  5. also, if you add up all the digits of their ranking (3+1+3+2+9) you get 18! l’chaim!!

    Comment by CG — July 14, 2011 @ 1:56 pm

  6. Jewish ballplayers. The next market inefficiency?

    Comment by MikeS — July 14, 2011 @ 1:57 pm

  7. He was at #57.

    He’s owed about 6m for the rest of this year, and the Cubs have a 16m option for next year. There is a 2m buyout, so if the Cubs or another team decide not to exercise the option he is owed 8m for the remainder of this season. I don’t see much excess value in that contract, in fact the Cubs may have to kick in some cash in a trade.

    Comment by Kazinski — July 14, 2011 @ 2:11 pm

  8. I think they’ve already been discovered. As a Rangers fan myself, Kinsler’s low BABIP is baffling to me and frustrating to see luck impact a player so negatively. Does fangraphs have a place to see xBabip?

    Comment by YP — July 14, 2011 @ 2:14 pm

  9. I don’t think Beachy will appear here, for reasons discussed in the 35-31 thread. He’s turned in a half-season (give or take a few starts) of #1 starter performance to this point, but he hasn’t demonstrated much durability within individual games, and he has no pedigree. If he can start turning in more innings per start while maintaining roughly equivalent peripherals, he should definitely make an appearance near the middle of next year’s list.

    Comment by Anon21 — July 14, 2011 @ 2:14 pm

  10. Dave,

    FYI, your #35-31 and #40-36 links both take us to the #45-41 page.

    and I mean, I can understand if you think it’s some of your better writing and you want to bump its hits, but pretty weak way of doing it if you ask me :)

    Comment by Joe — July 14, 2011 @ 2:23 pm

  11. That was clearly sarcastic, my friend.

    Oh, the internet.

    Comment by Ari Collins — July 14, 2011 @ 2:29 pm

  12. Kevin Youkilis is an older star player, one of the best at his position, who’s value is tied into his favorable contract and current performance over the next couple years.

    Roy Halladay is an older star player, the very best at his position, who’s value is tied into his favorable contract and current performance over the next couple years.

    Would you trade Halladay for Youkilis?

    I wouldn’t.

    Comment by SC2GG — July 14, 2011 @ 2:55 pm

  13. Hmm. You have presented a good qualitative case to be made for each of these guys. If only we knew just how much excess value each one of these players provided over their current contracts, we would have an answer to this very interesting question you have raised.

    Comment by Telo — July 14, 2011 @ 3:05 pm

  14. Here we go again.

    Youks contract is for significantly less per season and he is a couple years younger. That probably makes up for the difference right there. There aren’t many good 3rd basemen right now either.

    Comment by D — July 14, 2011 @ 3:33 pm

  15. This is an interesting new idea, Telo. Why don’t you go back and comment on each of the preceding posts in this series? And of course make sure to bang that drum in each one to come. That goes without saying.

    Comment by Ari Collins — July 14, 2011 @ 3:40 pm

  16. Good point, D.

    The answer is:

    1. Youk’s contract is way better

    2. No matter how consistent and durable Halladay has been, he’s still a pitcher in his mid 30s who could break down at any moment.

    Comment by Ari Collins — July 14, 2011 @ 3:42 pm

  17. Youkilis, the Mohel of Swat!

    Comment by NBarnes — July 14, 2011 @ 4:02 pm

  18. Halladay’s contract isn’t favorable at all. He’s a $20m+ player, only a handful of teams can swing that.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — July 14, 2011 @ 4:04 pm

  19. link to players 35-30 directs to 40-36.

    Comment by Joe — July 14, 2011 @ 4:05 pm

  20. I would have ranked Posey much higher, despite his injury situation. Certainly many spots higher than Jaime Garcia. I understand the arguments for each, but I can’t see any universe where the Cardinals can get Posey for Jaime Garcia.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — July 14, 2011 @ 4:07 pm

  21. better yet, jewish midgets!

    Comment by tdotsports1 — July 14, 2011 @ 4:12 pm

  22. Seems like a lot more pitchers on this years list? Being too lazy to check myself anybody have a running count?

    Comment by tdotsports1 — July 14, 2011 @ 4:13 pm

  23. Really enjoy this series but there is no way does any major league team that has a 22 year old MIchael Pineda trade him for Youklis. No chance.

    Comment by Rich — July 14, 2011 @ 4:39 pm

  24. Hypothetically, the Phillies, if they had Pineda at #5 (assuming Oswalt return), wouldn’t move him for Youk to replace Flacido Polanco?

    Comment by Big Oil — July 14, 2011 @ 5:20 pm

  25. Female Jewish midgets even

    Comment by Kyle — July 14, 2011 @ 5:20 pm

  26. good to see racism is alive and well in mlb fan circles

    Comment by john — July 14, 2011 @ 5:20 pm

  27. I don’t think Jurrjens compares well to Garcia. Jurrjens has had very good ERAs that are almost entirely tied to what appear to be unsustainably low HR/FB rates. His strikeout rate has been below average every year in the majors, and this year it’s fallen well below average. His walk rate has been about average until this year. And other than his rookie year, he hasn’t gotten a lot of ground balls. Compare that to Garcia, who combines one of the best ground ball rates among starters with above average strikeout numbers. His walk rate, below average last year, has fallen to significantly below average (though not as good as Jurrjens’s) this year.

    It’s not that Jurrjens is a bad pitcher. And if he maintains this walk rate he’s a good pitcher. But I just don’t think he’s in the conversation with Garcia.

    Comment by Ben Hall — July 14, 2011 @ 5:40 pm

  28. YP–

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/article/simple-xbabip-calculator/

    The fluctuations are weird, but it’s not surprising that it’s relatively low. He has the ninth lowest flyball rate in the majors since 2008 (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=2&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0), and since he doesn’t hit a high percentage of fly balls out of the park, that’s a lot of easy outs.

    Comment by Ben Hall — July 14, 2011 @ 5:47 pm

  29. Show me a value judgment and I’ll show you racism

    Comment by tbad — July 14, 2011 @ 6:21 pm

  30. His BABIP on grounders is about 100 points below his career average too. His xBABIP (I did the calculations) is .306 and his BABIP is .250. Players who walk more than they strike out tend to not have awful averages.

    Comment by YP — July 14, 2011 @ 6:29 pm

  31. Telo, I thought you were working on that project — counting on seeing those results to provide a statistical core to this peripheral work!

    Comment by Flightrisk — July 14, 2011 @ 7:18 pm

  32. You player links are wrong.

    Comment by guy — July 14, 2011 @ 8:29 pm

  33. Telo is fast becoming the most tiresome commentator on Fangraphs.

    Comment by Dave — July 14, 2011 @ 9:41 pm

  34. A $20 mil player worth well north of $30 mil

    Comment by joheimburger — July 14, 2011 @ 9:51 pm

  35. D….

    The difference in contracts is <2WAR right? (7.5mil/yr)

    So Youk is a better bargain if he's within 2 WAR (per year) of Halladay over the next few years. Given how his defense looks at 3rd, not so sure he will do that (I do realize he can move to 1st if he were traded to another team but then he gets the positional hit)

    While there aren't that many good 3rd baseman, are there that many good pitchers in the neighborhood of Halladay?

    Comment by Joe — July 14, 2011 @ 10:58 pm

  36. Ive been wondering if Kinsler hadn’t had such a poor start and such a low BABIP what his numbers would look like right now. His on base/walk rates are great, hes efficiently stealing bases and hes got 13 HRs to boot. If his .250 average was around .280-290, exactly how many SBs/Runs/RBI more are we talkin here? Even with the .250 average hes still putting up good numbers.

    Comment by Shaun Catron — July 15, 2011 @ 2:39 am

  37. I just asked that lol. He’s had plain ol bad luck is what it comes down too. It doesn’t really make sense, but hopefully he can get his avg up to about 270ish by the end of the year and have a slash close to 270/400/490 ish.

    Comment by YP — July 15, 2011 @ 2:48 am

  38. take a fucking joke, brah brah

    Comment by jim — July 15, 2011 @ 4:45 am

  39. Is Jewish a race?

    Comment by Bill — July 15, 2011 @ 7:17 am

  40. mad bum. is he gonna be this high on the list?

    Comment by andy — July 15, 2011 @ 7:38 am

  41. Yes it is

    Comment by BillWallace — July 15, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

  42. Clearly Dave is interviewing for MLB jobs and #s 35-31 must be kept secret by the team he’s looking at. Or else it’s all Mariners and he is ashamed to put it up :)

    Comment by Joncarlos — July 15, 2011 @ 4:23 pm

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