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  1. I still think it’s hilarious that the fans’ pre-season faith in the Rox has kept them treading water ahead of the Braves. By any objective measure, Atlanta has not just the superior, but the vastly superior team.

    At some point, don’t you need to go ahead and say, “Ok, so when the fans pegged the Cubs and the Braves for the same record, they were really far off the mark?” Maybe do a second set of fan rankings based on over half a season’s worth of information?

    Comment by Anon21 — July 18, 2011 @ 4:17 pm

  2. This is the first rankings post so far this season that has Boston’s WAR% higher than the Yankees.

    Comment by Tom B — July 18, 2011 @ 4:19 pm

  3. I did some power rankings by ranking teams on WAR%, winning percentage against teams above .500, an average of SOS and expected winning percentage, and winning percentage and averaged them all out in one stat, i gave each of the stat’s weights, like since WAR% is the most important, it’s worth 40%, average of SOS and expected winning percentage is worth 30%, winning percentage against teams >.500 is 20%, and winning percentage is 10%, these are the rankings

    1 Boston Red Sox
    2 New York Yankees
    3 Texas Rangers
    4 Philadelphia Phillies
    5 Atlanta Braves
    6 Los Angeles Angels
    7 San Francisco Giants
    8 Arizona Diamondbacks
    9 Milwaukee Brewers
    10 St. Louis Cardinals
    11 Cincinnati Reds
    12 New York Mets
    13 Chicago White Sox
    14 Tampa Bay Rays
    15 Toronto Blue Jays
    16 Colorado Rockies
    17 Cleveland Indians
    18 Detroit Tigers
    19 Pittsburgh Pirates
    20 Florida Marlins
    21 Washington Nationals
    22 Los Angeles Dodgers
    23 San Diego Padres
    24 Oakland Athletics
    25 Kansas City Royals
    26 Chicago Cubs
    27 Seattle Mariners
    28 Minnesota Twins
    29 Baltimore Orioles
    30 Houston Astros

    Comment by Thomas — July 18, 2011 @ 4:19 pm

  4. no, it was last week

    Comment by Thomas — July 18, 2011 @ 4:19 pm

  5. Yeah, I remembered that as soon as I sent the post. -1 myself :(

    Comment by Tom B — July 18, 2011 @ 4:25 pm

  6. That seems pretty fair. Surprised Texas has joined Philly, NY, Boston and Atl at the clear top of the pack considering how much those four has separated themselves from the rest, but I can’t complain. They’ve been on a tear.

    Comment by Jerome S. — July 18, 2011 @ 4:27 pm

  7. actually, minor change, the Giants are 5th the braves are 6th, the Angels are 7th, just a copying error

    Comment by Thomas — July 18, 2011 @ 4:28 pm

  8. another error, Texas is actually behind the Phillies

    Comment by Thomas — July 18, 2011 @ 4:30 pm

  9. Can’t I get through one baseball post or thread without a mention of women’s soccer? One?!

    Comment by Person — July 18, 2011 @ 4:59 pm

  10. “Roy Halladay and Clayton Kershaw have struck out more than 21% more batters than they have walked”

    I know where you got 21% from, but your wording made it sound like they have K/BB ratios around 1.21 (in other words they pitch about as well as Wade Davis).

    Comment by DavidB — July 18, 2011 @ 5:21 pm

  11. Yes, this confused me as well. I think that is what the words that you wrote mean, but clearly that is not what you meant to say.

    Comment by Max — July 18, 2011 @ 5:41 pm

  12. Yeah, that isn’t worded well at all. You’d kinda expect stats guys to know the difference betweenn relative and absolute changes.

    Comment by MikeS — July 18, 2011 @ 5:49 pm

  13. How in the HECK are the Yanks not number one? I mean in what universe could any team ever be better than the yankees?! They got enough WS rings to put on all their fingers and toes and yous put the SOX ahead of em!

    Apparently baseball history and gamesmanship mean nothing to you and you make me sick man! And how dare you insult Russ Martin. He’s better than you’ll ever be because everyday he suits up in the pinstripes and gives it 110% just like a true yankee!

    Comment by Steven Snell — July 18, 2011 @ 6:06 pm

  14. because the Sox are better this season, maybe that’s why. and it’s totally statistical, so they don’t just say oh I think the Yankees should be #1 because they won a lot of world series’ a bunch of years ago. Thy put it how the numbers say it

    Comment by Thomas — July 18, 2011 @ 6:14 pm

  15. Obvious troll is obvious.

    Comment by Kevin S. — July 18, 2011 @ 6:18 pm

  16. Because herp, and derp, and durrrrrrr.

    Comment by Richard — July 18, 2011 @ 6:26 pm

  17. this isn’t even a sitcom character name (or if it is, it’s not a well-enough known one to be effective.)

    not even a good troll post, you suck

    Comment by jim — July 18, 2011 @ 6:48 pm

  18. What if I came here to see Colorado to overrated?

    Comment by elooie — July 18, 2011 @ 6:50 pm

  19. Atlanta always seems low in these.

    Comment by Brian — July 18, 2011 @ 7:12 pm

  20. ZOMG Cleveland Indians #22 for reals??? They are the bestest!!!!!!!!!!!!! you all will see and pay dearly after you see and pay, dearly!¡!¡!¡!¡!¡!

    Comment by Durp-A-Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr — July 18, 2011 @ 8:46 pm

  21. Yeah, because the fans pegged them as a .506 club before the season. Can’t call ‘em all.

    Comment by Anon21 — July 18, 2011 @ 9:10 pm

  22. thanks for this. i think it is worth exploring adding strength of schedule in next season. it will at the very least be up for discussion. or maybe we’ll get lucky and the schedule will magically be balanced next year! (ha)

    Comment by Paul Swydan — July 18, 2011 @ 9:14 pm

  23. no? hey, at least i didn’t mention horse racing or cricket, right?

    Comment by Paul Swydan — July 18, 2011 @ 9:14 pm

  24. agreed. i went back and forth on the wording three or four times, and couldn’t get it the way i wanted it, so i threw up my hands and moved on. thanks for discerning the point from my garbled jargon anyway!

    Comment by Paul Swydan — July 18, 2011 @ 9:15 pm

  25. If the output is that the Rockies are one of the 10 best teams in MLB, don’t you think it might be time to check the quality of your input?

    Seriously, I’m glad you don’t have them at number 5 anymore, but this is still WAY too high.

    Comment by Candlestick Parker — July 18, 2011 @ 9:30 pm

  26. I would gladly be on the receiving end of anything Abby Wambach would give to me.

    Comment by Kirkwood — July 18, 2011 @ 11:07 pm

  27. The combination of WAR% and FAN% says that the Rockies are, respectively, better than their straight W-L record and more talented than they’ve shown so far. It would not be surprising at all to see them go on a pretty good run, though it might be too late to catch the Giants.

    Comment by Ari Collins — July 19, 2011 @ 1:36 am

  28. What about herpes?

    Comment by Bc10 — July 19, 2011 @ 5:21 am

  29. The fifth worst team in all of baseball is leading its division–that’s so awesome. You gotta love baseball. You gotta root for the Bucs.

    Comment by Michael — July 19, 2011 @ 7:28 am

  30. I was about to point out the same – their K% is not 21% higher than their BB%. (When i read that I thought, “gee that doesn’t sound very impressive!”) Kershaw’s K% is 416% higher than his BB% (28.3% to 6.8%), and Doc’s is a remarkable 765% higher (23.7% vs. 3.1%).

    But we can cut you some slack – it gets hard to come up with something to say in passing about every damn team, every damn week. :)

    Comment by Jason B — July 19, 2011 @ 11:34 am

  31. You are consistently more wrong than any other commenter on this site. The Red Sox are first in WAR, the Braves tied for 10th.
    The Braves are inferior, not superior, by any objective measure, not just fan rankings.

    Comment by GiantHusker — July 19, 2011 @ 12:33 pm

  32. Oops! Apology. Rox means Rockies, not Red Sox.

    Comment by GiantHusker — July 19, 2011 @ 12:40 pm

  33. 765% of, its only 665% higher.

    Comment by RC — July 19, 2011 @ 1:02 pm

  34. It is easier to say the Rockies are underperforming or unlucky than to admit to being wrong.

    Keith Law has observed this – but I think FG’s, the fans, and a lot of national media fell in love with the Rox becuase 1-5 they are as talented as any team in baseball. 6-25 is pretty weak.

    Comment by Jason — July 19, 2011 @ 1:37 pm

  35. Especially herpes.

    Comment by Kirkwood — July 19, 2011 @ 2:28 pm

  36. Fun Willie Bloomquist fact: He’s been in the league 10 years, and his entire career value came in 38 PAs as a September callup in 2002.

    Comment by matt w — July 20, 2011 @ 8:39 am

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