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  1. Steve,

    If these players were to be traded to any of the teams connected to them, who do you think would be the most logical/best choice? I’m sure that’s what many of us hoped to see when we clicked on this article. Thanks.

    Comment by Nick — July 29, 2011 @ 3:39 pm

  2. I have no problem with a contender paying slightly more than market value, but the offers that have been leaking out so far are absolutely insane (Jonathan Singleton, Jarred Cosart and Trevor May or Domonic Brown).

    Comment by Phils Goodman — July 29, 2011 @ 3:42 pm

  3. +1 on Span. He doesn’t have as long a track record as Pence, but who cares?

    Comment by benjipants — July 29, 2011 @ 3:44 pm

  4. I have a hard time believing the Storen-Span rumors simply because of the Capps-Ramos trade last year. Would the Twins really make the same mistake twice in two years?

    Comment by Person — July 29, 2011 @ 3:47 pm

  5. While dealing with the same team both times, no less.

    Comment by Person — July 29, 2011 @ 3:47 pm

  6. The Hunter Pence asking price boggles the mind.

    Comment by Cosx — July 29, 2011 @ 3:56 pm

  7. If Wade was offered Brown, Cosart, and Singleton and turned it down, both he and Amaro Jr don’t deserve jobs in baseball.

    Comment by Dan in Philly — July 29, 2011 @ 4:03 pm

  8. looks like ubaldo to the yanks, kuroda to the tigers.

    pence to the ___________ indians maybe?

    bell to _______? phillies?

    phillie doesnt need an OF thats for sure. giants are looking at ramon hernandez

    bedard to the bo sox
    its a guessing game really.

    and those idiots who rumored that james shields would be traded are sure looking silly right now.

    Comment by hatter — July 29, 2011 @ 4:07 pm

  9. looks like the indians alreaey got an OF… opps

    Comment by hatter — July 29, 2011 @ 4:10 pm

  10. storen is the future of the nationals. no way they give him up

    Comment by hatter — July 29, 2011 @ 4:10 pm

  11. It’s outrageous. Those are Justin Upton prices (or even beyond).

    Comment by Phils Goodman — July 29, 2011 @ 4:17 pm

  12. Atlanta better end up with a CF, not another corner fielder.

    Comment by Ryan — July 29, 2011 @ 4:18 pm

  13. It seems like Wade is playing this really well, because it seems as though the Phillies are getting desperate (if the rumors are true) and he may be able to get the Braves to budge on some of their prospects. If he can get a huge haul for Pence that would be great for the Astros, but he probably needs to pull the trigger relatively soon before these teams decide its easier to get Upton, Ludwick, etc.

    I also don’t really understand why the Yankees wouldn’t give up their prospects for Ubalado, he fills a need now and will be around for several years. It also doesn’t even seem like they will be able to use Montero if he can’t play Catcher.

    Comment by Drew L. — July 29, 2011 @ 4:28 pm

  14. I’m not sold Ubaldo is healthy. His velocity is down ~5 mph from his dominant stretch last year. Seems odd.

    Comment by 3.14 — July 29, 2011 @ 4:30 pm

  15. All three weren’t offered in the same trade proposal. One involved Brown, a separate one involved Cosart and Singleton.

    -C

    Comment by cthabeerman — July 29, 2011 @ 4:37 pm

  16. Let me fix that for you: Storen is a reliever for the Nationals. There are all sorts of reasons to give relievers up.

    Comment by Spiggy — July 29, 2011 @ 4:39 pm

  17. Phillies prospects are pretty much all overrated. Those deals would not excite me much if I was Houston.

    Comment by Matt — July 29, 2011 @ 4:41 pm

  18. Take a look at this: http://oi52.tinypic.com/f045g0.jpg

    Comment by Nick — July 29, 2011 @ 4:41 pm

  19. How often to the Nats even need a closer? Span is having a awesome season (except the concussion) and appears to have great upside.

    Make no mistake, this is Ramos for Capps all over again.

    Comment by Barkey Walker — July 29, 2011 @ 5:06 pm

  20. I really don’t get the Span trade. The Twins have two guys who are paid like closers for 2011 and (based on the fx) Nathan appears to be back to his original form, i.e. getting two Ks in the bottom of the 9th two nights ago.

    Comment by Barkey Walker — July 29, 2011 @ 5:09 pm

  21. Why should a team expect Pence’s production to continue at this seemingly BABIP-heightened level for the remainder of this season? It’s already at .333 for July, I don’t see why we should expect it to stay at .370 for the rest of the year.

    Comment by junker23 — July 29, 2011 @ 5:12 pm

  22. The Indians aren’t done quite yet, and have been talking about getting another bat, so it’s possible Pence could be in the cards, however, I don’t think that they’ll meet the asking price for him.

    They’re also popping up left and right on the Ubaldo front, and have several high end pitching prospects and MLB/near MLB ready SP’s and RP’s waiting in Columbus.

    I think they may just surprise us at the deadline with something big.

    Comment by Chris — July 29, 2011 @ 5:58 pm

  23. Ubaldo has admitted that going to Europe caused him to not go into his normal off season throwing program, which could explain the hip flexor issue which started in spring training but he didn’t mention until the season was well underway, which could explain the loss of velocity.

    Comment by Chris — July 29, 2011 @ 6:02 pm

  24. Want proof how BABIP is a bad stat to rely on? Check out Matt Joyce’s numbers this year.

    Comment by Phillie697 — July 29, 2011 @ 6:02 pm

  25. Totally agree on Jimenez, chances of getting a prospect as good as Jimenez are slim. Jimenez is still young with room for improvement and is very cheap. As much as I want to see him win 20 games in pinstripes…not gonna happen

    Comment by eliasll — July 29, 2011 @ 6:12 pm

  26. Span looks even better using BBR WAR:

    Upton – 7.9
    Span – 7.9
    Pence – 6.3

    Comment by Arthur Xavier Corvelay — July 29, 2011 @ 6:42 pm

  27. So you are citing “one” player to challenge the proof of a metric’s reliability?

    Comment by hans — July 29, 2011 @ 6:43 pm

  28. as above

    Comment by Person — July 29, 2011 @ 6:43 pm

  29. I was initially against a Ubaldo to Yankees trade. The asking price seems high. But in the long ride Austin Romine might be more useful to the Yanks because he can actually catch (and the Yanks have Tex and A-Rod signed long term and are in no need of a guy clogging up the DH time) Dellin Betances is far from a sure thing, and Ivan Nova has very little up-side. If they could make the trade for those three and hang on to Man-Ban I’d do it. Ubaldo is really good, young and has a couple of years left. Give up risky quantity for quality.

    Comment by Preston — July 29, 2011 @ 6:47 pm

  30. Can you imagine that as a package deal? Ramos and Span for Capps and Storen? even AA thinks that is unfair

    Comment by Mr. wOBAto — July 29, 2011 @ 7:03 pm

  31. He also pitched winter ball in the Dominican before 2010 we will see in 2012 if he is back up velocity wise

    Comment by Mr. wOBAto — July 29, 2011 @ 7:07 pm

  32. This is still FanGraph right? Do you really need numbers to tell you how unreliable BABIP is? Or should I be worried that you actually took my statement seriously?

    Comment by Phillie697 — July 29, 2011 @ 7:08 pm

  33. Any chance Storen can be converted in to a starter?

    Comment by Mr. wOBAto — July 29, 2011 @ 7:08 pm

  34. This article truly undervalues Storen. I don’t understand the comment “Heck, if the Phillies’ are offering their top two prospects for Hunter Pence, a Span-Storen swap would be highway robbery.”

    First of all, top prospects only pan out about half the time. Secondly, Pence is much better than Span. Span has little power, and has not shown a great ability to steal bases. He’s a poor man’s Juan Pierre. Storen looks like he could be as good as Bell as far as dominance. I would rather have Storen than any two Philly prospects not name Dominic Brown.

    Finally, am I wrong in saying that Harper can play center field. If so, why the rush for a center fielder? Harper has a good chance of arriving to the majors by 2013. Live with who you got for a year and have great pitchers, hitters and a shut the door in your face, closer.

    Comment by Will — July 29, 2011 @ 7:15 pm

  35. you are wrong about several things

    Comment by batpig — July 29, 2011 @ 7:25 pm

  36. Sadly, I can see the Twins making that move. As a Twins fan this has been an extremely frustrating week as, it seems to me, that most fans have somehow gotten the idea that Revere is a superior player to Span which is obviously pure insanity.

    Comment by Omman — July 29, 2011 @ 7:28 pm

  37. Exactly.

    Comment by Omman — July 29, 2011 @ 7:29 pm

  38. CF is just a more valuable position than a closer, I think that’s relatively agreed upon. Trading a good CF (whether you think Pence is better or not) for a good closer is just a bad idea.

    Calling Span a poor man’s Juan Pierre seems out of touch with reality as, aside from a lack of power, the two don’t really have much in common. Span is certainly the better player and at a more important position.

    Comment by Omman — July 29, 2011 @ 7:34 pm

  39. Young Juan Pierre was a pretty good MLB outfielder. ~22 WAR by the time he was 30. Sure he’s useless now, but that kind of player is damn useful compared to a guy who throws ~70 innings.

    Comment by DavidB — July 29, 2011 @ 7:35 pm

  40. Harper definitely can’t play CF – he has Vlad Guerrero instincts in RF right now.

    Comment by HaloImpalo — July 29, 2011 @ 7:50 pm

  41. I spend an awful lot of time playing golf. Golfie golfie golf. Working is for the offseason!

    Comment by Andy McPhail — July 29, 2011 @ 8:30 pm

  42. Amen. They are mid-level prospects who haven’t shown much statistically but have room for “growth”… join the other 1000 prospects in the minors.

    Comment by kid — July 29, 2011 @ 9:43 pm

  43. Anybody else find it intereesting that Quentin is playing the Sox tonight? Possible looming trade…

    Comment by YazInLeft8 — July 29, 2011 @ 9:53 pm

  44. Pence is a Philly. Singleton, Cosart, and two PTBNL are Ed Wade’s gift to his successor.

    Comment by Cosx — July 29, 2011 @ 10:32 pm

  45. Interesting? Not really…did he have the option to play a different team instead?

    Comment by steex — July 29, 2011 @ 10:38 pm

  46. Interesting photos. Wonder why he and the Rockies haven’t worked on that to make adjustments. You gotta believe they’ve seen the same thing.

    Comment by Tommy Lasordas Pasta — July 29, 2011 @ 10:58 pm

  47. No no, I mean if he was dealt to the Sox than it would make for an interesting twist. Happened to Doug Mientkiewicz in 2004 when he came over to the Sox before a game, and look how that ended…

    Comment by YazInLeft8 — July 29, 2011 @ 11:38 pm

  48. Juan Pierre is his own poor man’s Juan Pierre.

    Comment by David — July 30, 2011 @ 3:16 am

  49. …especially when you can have both, if Revere ends up that good.

    Comment by JamesDaBear — July 30, 2011 @ 3:23 pm

  50. Bryce Harper’s 20 with negligible experience as an OF… I think he deserves some leeway.

    Comment by JamesDaBear — July 30, 2011 @ 3:26 pm

  51. Only reason to trade Ubaldo is he is damaged goods. Rockies refusing to release medical records before trade is very telling.

    A drop in velocity does not just happen, there is always an injury behind it, even if the injury is not obvious (sometimes arm problems manifest as shoulder weakness and no pain, you just see a velocity drop and command issues)

    Comment by pft — July 31, 2011 @ 4:10 am

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