Don’t forget that if these guys walk at the end of 2012, they most likely be type A free agents. Also, this opens up the possibility next year for Feliz to make his long awaited move to the rotation, although considering the way that Harrison and Holland have pitched of late, and assuming a resigning of C.J. Wilson, there might be more incentive to leave him at the back-end of the pen. Plus, Martin Perez, who JD wisely kept in the cupboard, is just about ready to take his eventual spot at the top of that rotation.
Not a fleecing, but a good win-win deal for both teams. The deal with Baltimore also benefitted both teams, with props to JD for being able to frisk the Orioles for an extra 2 mil.
you mean the uehara with an 11.6 k/9 and 1.3 bb/9 since being moved to the bullpen last year? pretty sure that’s better than 10.0 k/9 and 2.4 bb/9. also, he’s done that in the AL East, not the NL West. Any way you put it, Uehara is in the running for best reliever in the game.
I really enjoy the fact that Wieland threw a no-hitter against the Padres AA affiliate the San Antonio Missions on Friday, then two days later was asked to switch dugouts and join the team he had just no-hit as they play the team he just left.
Solid pick up for the Padres. 2 cost controlled middle to back of the rotation starters is not a bad pick up. These two may not have high ceilings, but they certainly have high floors as they have very impressive control for pitchers at their age. If just one of them ends up a 4th starter for 5 or 6 years at even just 2WAR, that will be a huge value for the Padres over 1.3 years of Adams. I like Adams a lot, but this was a wise move for the Padres.
Does anyone think Adams will be significantly affected moving from the best pitcher’s park to one of the best hitter’s parks? I don’t watch the Padres enough to know the answer, but lots of pitchers seem to have magic powers that vanish once they leave Petco.
Kevin is on to something. Not only are the other AL West offenses not exactly overpowering, their home parks are all not too bad, either, all 3 featuring HR and overall wOBA suppressing tendencies. And I think Adams’ repertoire will play well in Arlington. Regress the numbers however you want, Uehara and Adams are just plain good.
I thought Daniels was going to be done after adding Uehara, and frankly I would have been okay with that. Now we add Mike Adams to the mix?? Plus, Darren O’Day-who had been pitching hurt at the beginning of the year-is pitching and dominating (11.77 K/9 and 1.38 BB/9) in AAA and will hopefully be back in the majors soon.
It’s a pretty good feeling to know that I won’t have to be so worried about the inevitable meltdown when the Rangers have a lead in the 7th inning and beyond anymore…
Is there any chance that Texas made this deal to support trying Feliz in a starting role? They’re obviously thinking playoffs and depth, but they’d previously shown interest and he could wind up being of those postseason relievers that shines as a starter in a limited capcity… just curious to hear other’s thoughts.
To me, the extra year of control for both Uehara and Adams makes this a great two day span for Texas. Not only did they turn a weakness into a strength this year, they have two of MLB’s best relievers locked up for 2012.
That gives Texas a ton of flexibility, not only with Feliz, but also with potential offseason trades/free-agent signings. Instead of spending big money on FA relievers, Texas can focus their sights on other areas. And if Scheppers could somehow stay healthy, he (or one of Adams/Uehara) could be a nice trade chip.
It definitely increases the odds that Feliz moves to a starting role… next season. It just would take too much time to stretch him out as a starter midseason, especially when he hasn’t even been all that great as a reliever this year.
But with Uehara and Adams under control in 2012, the flexibility to make Feliz a starter next season is a nice bonus.
Brett says:
July 31, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Don’t forget that if these guys walk at the end of 2012, they most likely be type A free agents. Also, this opens up the possibility next year for Feliz to make his long awaited move to the rotation, although considering the way that Harrison and Holland have pitched of late, and assuming a resigning of C.J. Wilson, there might be more incentive to leave him at the back-end of the pen. Plus, Martin Perez, who JD wisely kept in the cupboard, is just about ready to take his eventual spot at the top of that rotation.
Not a fleecing, but a good win-win deal for both teams. The deal with Baltimore also benefitted both teams, with props to JD for being able to frisk the Orioles for an extra 2 mil.
Slats says:
July 31, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Win-win for both teams.
Well done to Texas for going with Adams over Bell.
Welp says:
July 31, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Uehara won’t be turning down an arb offer after 2012 and barring an implosion I expect the Rangers will just resign Adams.
Adams is the better pitcher, but the Uehara deal was much safer than this one.
Jono411 says:
July 31, 2011 at 7:33 pm
you mean the uehara with an 11.6 k/9 and 1.3 bb/9 since being moved to the bullpen last year? pretty sure that’s better than 10.0 k/9 and 2.4 bb/9. also, he’s done that in the AL East, not the NL West. Any way you put it, Uehara is in the running for best reliever in the game.
Mariano Rivera says:
July 31, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Jono411, I believe that you mean that Uehara is in the running for second best reliever in the game.
Adam D says:
July 31, 2011 at 8:04 pm
I really enjoy the fact that Wieland threw a no-hitter against the Padres AA affiliate the San Antonio Missions on Friday, then two days later was asked to switch dugouts and join the team he had just no-hit as they play the team he just left.
Welp says:
July 31, 2011 at 8:31 pm
“Any way you put it, Uehara is in the running for best reliever in the game.”
Unless you put it in terms of FIP, sure. Like I said before, Adams is the better pitcher.
David Robertson says:
July 31, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Easy, old man….
John says:
July 31, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Haha yep. That has to feel a little awkward for Wieland.
Jonny Venters says:
July 31, 2011 at 8:48 pm
How much you wanna bet?
joe says:
July 31, 2011 at 8:48 pm
I’m not sure you can assume the compensation system as it currently exists will be the same in the new CBA
PadresFuture says:
July 31, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Solid pick up for the Padres. 2 cost controlled middle to back of the rotation starters is not a bad pick up. These two may not have high ceilings, but they certainly have high floors as they have very impressive control for pitchers at their age. If just one of them ends up a 4th starter for 5 or 6 years at even just 2WAR, that will be a huge value for the Padres over 1.3 years of Adams. I like Adams a lot, but this was a wise move for the Padres.
Phantom Stranger says:
July 31, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Does anyone think Adams will be significantly affected moving from the best pitcher’s park to one of the best hitter’s parks? I don’t watch the Padres enough to know the answer, but lots of pitchers seem to have magic powers that vanish once they leave Petco.
jim says:
July 31, 2011 at 11:11 pm
could always check his splits yourself, you know
Kevin says:
August 1, 2011 at 12:01 am
The best thing about pitching for the Rangers is you never have to face them. The rest of the AL West isn’t all that scary as far as offense goes.
t ball says:
August 1, 2011 at 12:31 am
Kevin is on to something. Not only are the other AL West offenses not exactly overpowering, their home parks are all not too bad, either, all 3 featuring HR and overall wOBA suppressing tendencies. And I think Adams’ repertoire will play well in Arlington. Regress the numbers however you want, Uehara and Adams are just plain good.
David Purcey says:
August 1, 2011 at 12:38 am
You are all fools.
Tony LaRussa says:
August 1, 2011 at 12:52 am
Anyone think that how managers use relievers probably has a huge correlation with how well they pitch?
Eric says:
August 1, 2011 at 2:46 am
I thought Daniels was going to be done after adding Uehara, and frankly I would have been okay with that. Now we add Mike Adams to the mix?? Plus, Darren O’Day-who had been pitching hurt at the beginning of the year-is pitching and dominating (11.77 K/9 and 1.38 BB/9) in AAA and will hopefully be back in the majors soon.
It’s a pretty good feeling to know that I won’t have to be so worried about the inevitable meltdown when the Rangers have a lead in the 7th inning and beyond anymore…
DeManiac says:
August 1, 2011 at 9:19 am
Is there any chance that Texas made this deal to support trying Feliz in a starting role? They’re obviously thinking playoffs and depth, but they’d previously shown interest and he could wind up being of those postseason relievers that shines as a starter in a limited capcity… just curious to hear other’s thoughts.
utb says:
August 1, 2011 at 9:57 am
To me, the extra year of control for both Uehara and Adams makes this a great two day span for Texas. Not only did they turn a weakness into a strength this year, they have two of MLB’s best relievers locked up for 2012.
That gives Texas a ton of flexibility, not only with Feliz, but also with potential offseason trades/free-agent signings. Instead of spending big money on FA relievers, Texas can focus their sights on other areas. And if Scheppers could somehow stay healthy, he (or one of Adams/Uehara) could be a nice trade chip.
Jon Daniels is a smart guy.
todmod says:
August 1, 2011 at 10:50 am
It definitely increases the odds that Feliz moves to a starting role… next season. It just would take too much time to stretch him out as a starter midseason, especially when he hasn’t even been all that great as a reliever this year.
But with Uehara and Adams under control in 2012, the flexibility to make Feliz a starter next season is a nice bonus.
Jacob says:
August 1, 2011 at 11:14 am
I reminds me of how Wilson had failed as a closer before he became a starter