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  1. Charlie Manuel started Brown at #2 the day they traded for Pence. He was clearly sending a message “Dom, it ain’t your hittin’ we’re worried about.” Pence is a far superior defender, and speaking as one who watched Dom in the field, he just wasn’t ready to play RF in the majors. I think the FO didn’t want to look back and decide the reason they lost a possible WS was because of a terrible game or two in right field defense when the fix was so easy.

    Of couse locking up a good player for the next 2 1/2 years helps, too, so your point is well taken.

    Comment by Dan in Philly — August 1, 2011 @ 1:15 pm

  2. No Ryan Ludwick or Mike Aviles?

    Comment by AJ — August 1, 2011 @ 1:25 pm

  3. The article is about upgrades.

    Comment by sc2gg — August 1, 2011 @ 1:29 pm

  4. Ryan Ludwick = upgrade

    Comment by Evan — August 1, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

  5. You are suggesting that the same team that puts Ibanez in LF everyday cares about OF defense?

    Comment by balagast — August 1, 2011 @ 1:39 pm

  6. I am tempted to take your post seriously and discuss why they keep Ibanez in LF, but I suspect you only were after a laugh with your post.

    Comment by Dan in Philly — August 1, 2011 @ 1:41 pm

  7. Aviles is a backup. With Ludwick it’s too complicated a situation to break down in the above way. Platoons and injury returns and all that.

    Comment by Joe Pawlikowski — August 1, 2011 @ 1:45 pm

  8. it’s the .316 wOBA… isnt it…

    Comment by Tom B — August 1, 2011 @ 1:49 pm

  9. I don’t know how the Giants can compete in the post season without Cody Ross playing everyday.

    Comment by domingoes — August 1, 2011 @ 1:58 pm

  10. And I don’t think excluding Hairston makes since, because I don’t think he’s merely an injury fill-in — assuming Weeks comes back OK, I’d guess Hairston replaces Yuni.

    Comment by The Ancient Mariner — August 1, 2011 @ 2:11 pm

  11. I know he didn’t come through trade, but the reason the Dbacks traded Allen is that Paul Goldschmidt was called up. That may be an upgrade right there.

    Comment by DbacksSkins — August 1, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

  12. So, for Zack Wheeler, the Giants get 2/3 of a win.

    Comment by GiantHusker — August 1, 2011 @ 2:28 pm

  13. …in a season in which they’re almost guaranteed to make the postseason again.

    That’s why I’m glad Arizona didn’t break the bank.

    Comment by DbacksSkins — August 1, 2011 @ 2:39 pm

  14. I think it’s more about the Phillies front office/Charlie undervaluing his ability to draw walks and the value therein. They just saw the low average, low HR’s, the fielding gaffs, and assumed he was a work in progress all around that would help the team less than Ibanez. As much as the bad fielding had to do with it, I’m pretty certain that they undervalued his offensive production too…and probably overvalued Pence’s as well.

    Comment by UmYeah — August 1, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

  15. Even then it makes little sense. They’re playoff bound and heavy favorites in the NL as they were. Why trade away two of their top three (debatable) prospects for such a marginal gain?

    Comment by Deadpool — August 1, 2011 @ 3:02 pm

  16. Does the fact that a team like SFG has such good pitching potentially reduce the # of runs that constitute an added win?

    Comment by hairball — August 1, 2011 @ 3:05 pm

  17. I think a reasonable assumption at the time of the trade was that a big chunk of Beltran’s PAs would be coming at the expense of Aaron Rowand, rather than Cody Ross, which would put Rowand’s -1.4 wRAA up there instead of Ross’s 4.4. But based on the lineups he’s put out there since Beltran arrived it seems like Bruce Bochy is incapable of making such a reasonable assumption.

    Comment by Jamie — August 1, 2011 @ 3:31 pm

  18. No, they saw his adventurous fielding efforts in RF and realized that moving him to LF (a position that he’s basically never played) might not be the best idea during a playoff push.

    Putting him in AAA for a month to get reps in LF is probably the smartest thing they can do short-term. Brown is a terrible terrible defender in the outfield right now.

    Ibanez is atrocious too but at least he’s a known quantity. Brown misplays easy plays on top of terrible judgements on flyballs.

    Comment by NEPP — August 1, 2011 @ 3:50 pm

  19. @Deadpool: Because it sets up their OF for 2012 too…and gives them cost-certainty going into an off-season where they need to negotiate a long-term extension with Hamels (2012 is his final year of team control) and resign/replace Jimmy Rollins.

    Comment by NEPP — August 1, 2011 @ 3:51 pm

  20. Ibanez has an .817 OPS since May 3rd. His bat has basically been solid for the past 3 months now.

    Comment by NEPP — August 1, 2011 @ 3:53 pm

  21. Colby Rasmus vs. Rajai Davis/Corey Patterson?

    Comment by lolololool — August 1, 2011 @ 3:56 pm

  22. In reality, almost certainly.

    In WAR, no.

    Comment by DbacksSkins — August 1, 2011 @ 4:27 pm

  23. It would seem Bochy doesn’t see Beltran as a LF. It had been my assumption as well, that Beltran would end up in LF, but that seems to be Schierholtz domain at this point in time. Given his play defensively, that impacts Ross, in that CF is what’s left to him. That wouldn’t seem to be a good prospect, given his current level of defensive play.

    Comment by channelclemente — August 1, 2011 @ 5:51 pm

  24. Not a move to improve the Jays this year. Toronto would have to overtake three of BOS, NYY, TBR, TEX and LAA to make the playoffs.

    Comment by DavidB — August 1, 2011 @ 6:59 pm

  25. Actually, Derrek Lee has been red hot of late (and has demonstrated high upside in the past). I’m pretty sure they’re expecting him to greatly outperform Overbay the rest of the way.

    Comment by Jon L. — August 1, 2011 @ 7:03 pm

  26. Because Beltran has been a plus defender in center and right, I think Bochy will play him mostly in right. I’m guessing that an underperforming Torres and replacement level Rowand get the majority of bench time down the stretch. The only deserving outfielders in AT&T right now are Beltran and Schierholtz.

    Comment by Fergie348 — August 1, 2011 @ 7:22 pm

  27. NEPP is absolutely correct, his .211/.258/.311 June is one of his most productive months in recent history…

    -C

    Comment by cthabeerman — August 1, 2011 @ 7:24 pm

  28. So he’s been an average hitting left fielder if you completely ignore his worst month

    Comment by Alan — August 1, 2011 @ 9:12 pm

  29. Yet he was fantastic at the plate in May and July…its almost as if he’s the same streaky hitter he’s always been.

    Defensively, he’s terrible but when he’s hot, he’s still a good hitter. As he’s shown for 2 of the last 3 months.

    Comment by NEPP — August 1, 2011 @ 11:25 pm

  30. Don’t you know every post has to involve the Blue Jays in some way?

    Comment by TK — August 2, 2011 @ 1:11 pm

  31. How about Mariners Casper Wells over LF mess?

    Comment by Eric Dykstra — August 2, 2011 @ 3:13 pm

  32. Isn’t it about getting a RH bat?

    Comment by The Dude — August 2, 2011 @ 10:20 pm

  33. agreed… and while I understand why the author of this article did not factor in defense, Lee’s glove (2.3 UZR) should also be a significant improvement over Overbay (-5.6 UZR).

    Comment by gonfalon — August 3, 2011 @ 1:56 pm

  34. Except the M’s aren’t competing any more, I agree.
    Casper has already improved the terrible lineup, improved the defense, and is young still with some upside.

    The M’s, despite having played their way out of contention, still managed to make moves that improved them immediately AND add young talent.
    Jack Z is a trade ninja.

    Comment by monkey — August 5, 2011 @ 10:40 am

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