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  1. “no one would seriously suggest that Pierre should play ahead of Manny Ramirez, Matt Kemp, or Andre Ethier.”

    Steve Phillips did exactly that on Sunday night. He suggested that Ethier should be benched, and Pierre should take over in CF while Kemp plays RF.

    Combine that with Joe Morgan’s assertion that David Wright is the NL MVP this year, and you’ve got America’s Premier Broadcast Team.

    Comment by CH — June 25, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

  2. ESPN’s baseball broadcast group is terrible. The only baseball people in their entire baseball coverage team that I listen to are Law and Neyer, and they’re the Internet guys. Over the last year, I’ve gone from looking forward to Baseball Tonight to dreading John Kruk and Eric Young’s…analysis, loosely put.

    But enough bashing. I’ve recently gotten into an argument with someone who wanted the Marlins to trade for JP and replace Cody Ross in center. It was impossible, as JP’s numbers all looked better than Ross’s at the time, even after the prolonged slump. But he said Pierre was a better center fielder because he’s faster. Don’t mind his arm out there or anything.

    Comment by Michael — June 25, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

  3. Oh you don’t want him? We in St. Louis would take him in a heartbeat! A little bit of speed is what that lineup needs.

    Comment by Will — June 25, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

  4. Or the crazy routes he takes to balls.

    Comment by Joe — June 25, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

  5. Good article Dave,

    There are a good amount of Mets’ fans who call up WFAN everyday that want Pierre playing the OF at Citi.

    I almost wrote Shea there.

    Comment by AdamB — June 25, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

  6. Yes, but we Giants fans were hoping no one on the Dodgers would notice this, thanks for ruining it. :^)

    Heck, they didn’t notice when they signed him, one can still hope that they got blinded by that flash o’ goodness.

    Now I did realize that him starting over the young guys was not a realistic dream, but what I was hoping was that because of his good overall numbers, he will continue to see frequent ABs in games, however they might come, for the rest of the season, until his stagnancy shows up. I’m keeping my fingers crossed (and Lou Seal’s fins crossed and Crazy Crab’s claws crossed).

    And PLEASE, no idiot team actually giving the Dodgers some good prospect for Pierre, make the Dodgers give up someone good to take Pierre off their hands!

    Comment by obsessivegiantscompulsive — June 25, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

  7. If Steve Phillips says something, you assume the opposite is correct or the more rational statement.

    Comment by Brian L. — June 25, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

  8. Good read. I also love ESPN’s baseball tonight (sarcasm intended)

    Comment by Sergey — June 26, 2009 @ 12:55 am

  9. So, we’re in consensus about BBTN and Herr Phillips. How do we feel about Mr. Reynolds + crew on the MLB Network. To me, they seem to certainly be more listenable and not as…stupid? Though Harold is getting mighty close to the ‘get off my lawn!’ part of his post-baseball life.

    Great article, Dave. I knew Pierre season had that bs smell to it, but I hadn’t realized he’d been playing so poorly the last month too.

    Comment by Jason T — June 26, 2009 @ 7:58 am

  10. Harold Reynolds seems like a likeable guy I suppose. However, he wrote this, which may be the single worse piece of sports journalism I’ve ever read:

    http://haroldreynolds.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/06/enjoy_it_for_what_its_worth.html

    Comment by Nate — June 26, 2009 @ 8:16 am

  11. Andre Ethier isn’t hot either.

    Since June 10 he has gone .174/.296/.239, with an admittedly low babip.

    And yes, that isa very small sample size. kinda like Pierre’s June.

    And Pierre’s 2009 is small compared to his career.

    But consider: Pierre’s line against lefties this year. .365/.444/.460. Ethier-.188/.286/.363.

    Again, small samples. last 3 years against lefties, Pierre .297/.341.344, Ethier .281/.335/.401. Pierre usually doesn’t have much platoon split, and he does seem healthier this year. And he has had mildly productive healthy seasons in the past.

    Pierre isn’t a stathead’s dream. But his WAR this year is 1.5. Ethier’s is 0. Ethier is not a great rightfielder. Pierre is ok in left, mediocre in center somewhat.

    Ethier in right and manny in left is not a pitcher’s dream from a fielding standpoint.

    You can see where I am driving this, and I might not agree with the choice either, but I bet Pierre plays against lefties and Etheir sits unless a deal is made. I can see Torre doing that. And Pierre occasionally spelling Kemp as well, and Manny even.

    And no, I am a Met fan and don’t want him patrolling Citi’s vast expanses. But given LA’s lead I don’t see why they wouldn’t rest players. I wouldn’t see Pierre getting 1/4th the 3 of position at bats, but a few less than that. Sure, Ethier is a better player, but not exactly a world beater against lefties.

    Comment by wobatus — June 26, 2009 @ 9:54 am

  12. also, if you exclude last year for Pierre (he was hurt part of the year), his war per year since 2003 averaged 2.8, versus Ethier’s 2.4 last 3 years (and of course ethier didn’t play every day that whole time). This year he is 1.5 to zero. Now, I don’t actually believe his d makes up as much difference as this suggests, certainly not in cf. And I prefer Ethier myself. But you can make the case for platooning them, and using Pierre to spot the other guys sometimes as well. They have the lead and can rest guys anyway. keep them fresh and Pierre sharp.

    Comment by wobatus — June 26, 2009 @ 10:10 am

  13. On his podcast, Matthew Berry (the Talented Mr. Roto) didn’t know what FIP meant. I’ve only been playing fantasy baseball since 2008 and even I know what that is.

    Comment by NBH — June 26, 2009 @ 10:24 am

  14. and let’s not forget the Dodgers snatched Pierre away from the Giants at the last minute by enticing him with a 5-year deal (I thing we were offering 3). Saved us from ourselves on that one.

    Comment by Paul — June 26, 2009 @ 10:42 am

  15. Steve Phillips is an idiot who was run out of baseball. The evil 4letter loves to throw $ at these types! Pierre is terrible and deserves to be shipped off to the “chucks” up north by a body of water. Welcome back Rammy.

    Comment by scott — June 26, 2009 @ 11:11 am

  16. I wholeheartedly agree.

    Comment by Big Oil — June 26, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

  17. How was that guy a GM for a major league baseball team?

    Comment by Gee — June 26, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

  18. ha ha, Ethier said screw you Wobatus, I saw what you posted on fangraphs, take that, homer off lefty Vargas, 3 homer game, booyah!

    Comment by wobatus — June 27, 2009 @ 9:33 am

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