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  1. Michael Young was playing every day before Beltre got hurt.

    Comment by WonkoTheSane — September 5, 2011 @ 1:39 pm

  2. ….You guys really need to proof-read some more. It’s getting distracting.

    Comment by Sam — September 5, 2011 @ 1:47 pm

  3. What was untimely here? It all seems quite timely.

    Comment by LTG — September 5, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

  4. Your Michael Young hate is getting annoying. Regardless of what you presume to know about his personality (based on nothing but rumours), he’s a good player, maybe overrated, but still good.

    Comment by Vin — September 5, 2011 @ 2:42 pm

  5. What was annoying about the article? It didn’t see anything about Young’s personality that I read, other than he whines every two years about a position switch, which has been true.

    I thought the article was fine.

    Comment by Detroit Michael — September 5, 2011 @ 2:48 pm

  6. hitter*

    Comment by Welp — September 5, 2011 @ 2:49 pm

  7. *say* not see.

    When’s an edit function coming to this blog?

    Comment by Detroit Michael — September 5, 2011 @ 2:49 pm

  8. Napoli’s a better hitter, everything else is pretty irrelevant.

    Plus moving Young would open up more time at DH for Cruz, Hamilton, and Napoli.

    And it’d save money.

    Comment by Feeding the Abscess — September 5, 2011 @ 2:54 pm

  9. How is this article hating on Michael Young? There’s no speculation beyond what has previously been printed, and it certainly isn’t trashing him.

    Comment by Josh — September 5, 2011 @ 2:57 pm

  10. Is Napoli’s 2012 wOBA a projection, or a typo?

    Comment by rogue_actuary — September 5, 2011 @ 3:06 pm

  11. Look, I usually ignore the grammar/misspell hate, but the first sentence in this post was:

    “Michael Young just won’t got away.”

    I don’t demand perfection, but perhaps a touch more editing is in order.

    Comment by Mac — September 5, 2011 @ 3:23 pm

  12. If you dump your long-term employees the instant it’s in your interest and you can, all your current employees will get the message. And no, it’s not ‘work harder so I don’t get it, too’. But rather ‘don’t give anything I don’t have to give’, while always keeping your voluntary exits in mind.

    Comment by Richie — September 5, 2011 @ 3:33 pm

  13. It’s not just this article, I’ve noticed that making jokes about Michael Young has become rather constant on FanGraphs, particularly with this author. I just don’t think it’s right for us to conclude that Young is a whiner and not a team player just because he doesn’t like changing positions. Maybe he just wants stability.

    Comment by Vin — September 5, 2011 @ 4:33 pm

  14. How is it whining to point out that your employer is lying to you? Young has always maintained that he was fine with his role as DH/utility player. Framing the issue as Young complaining about a position change is misleading, at the very least, or an outright lie at worst. Happy labor day indeed.

    “I’ll be the first to admit that I was not particularly keen on the idea of being a DH. But I did agree to do it. I wanted to put the team first. I wanted to be a Ranger. But in light of events that happened in the process, I got pushed into a corner one too many times. I couldn’t take it anymore.”

    Also this is currently on Young’s Wikipedia page: “Young requested to be traded to the Philadelphia Phillies, however, an angry woman on youtube fought to change his mind by posting a video of her son annoying her about Young staying on the rangers. Young saw this video posted on youtube and changed his mind.”

    Comment by DavidCEisen — September 5, 2011 @ 4:37 pm

  15. You need to wine some moar.

    Comment by JRoss — September 5, 2011 @ 4:49 pm

  16. Oh god, can we stop with the nit picking? Is this the New York Times? Do Fangraphs editors/writers have to be flawless?

    Sam, I really hope you’re trolling. You know what’s distracting? The comments about spelling mistakes. The endless comments about spelling mistakes.


    Screw this, I’m off to Notgraphs.

    Comment by Daniel — September 5, 2011 @ 5:11 pm

  17. Beltre is definitely a great third baseman, and could end up with 60+ WAR, but there’s not this huge difference between him and Young that everybody wants to say there is. In the five years before this season, Young was worth 17.5 WAR, Beltre was worth 18.0 WAR. This year Beltre has been much better, but coming into the year it was pretty close. Plus, take out Young’s years at shortstop, where he was awful, and for his career he has -2.7 dWAR. That’s not good, but not really horrible. Adrian Beltre is a great player, and better than Young, but not by some huge margin.

    Comment by Person — September 5, 2011 @ 5:26 pm

  18. What is this good reason for not putting Napoli behind the plate full time? Can anyone prove to me that his catcher defense is so atrocious it outweighs his superior offense?

    It seems to me that:

    Napoli (catcher) + Young (DH) > Torrealba (catcher) + Napoli (DH)

    Comment by hunterfan — September 5, 2011 @ 5:35 pm

  19. I don’t mind people posting about the spelling mistakes because hopefully the FG editors eventually get the message and, ya know, hire an editor. I’m sure there’s plenty of folks willing to work for free/cheap but they’ve never even advertised for the position.

    Comment by hunterfan — September 5, 2011 @ 5:37 pm

  20. He demanded a trade from the team that significantly overpaid him because they sought to upgrade their team by bringing in a better defender. That makes him a whiner, sorry.

    Comment by Kevin S. — September 5, 2011 @ 6:03 pm

  21. Spelling correctly is not that difficult

    Comment by Jacob — September 5, 2011 @ 6:13 pm

  22. He made a grand total of one comment each offseason

    Comment by Jacob — September 5, 2011 @ 6:16 pm

  23. risk management

    Comment by David — September 5, 2011 @ 6:21 pm

  24. Actually, Inge (after going through quite possible the worst slump I have ever had the misfortune of seeing) seems to have turned a corner. He had a .402 wOBA in Toledo and has had a passable .313 wOBA since returning to the bigs. Not quite a corpse; just a guy in the ICU.

    Comment by gnomez — September 5, 2011 @ 6:50 pm

  25. Going out on a limb here and guessing the fangraphs group has done the cost/benefit analysis on paying an editor. Obvious waste of resources to anyone who gives it a moment’s though.

    Comment by Welp — September 5, 2011 @ 7:00 pm

  26. Well, it seems clear to me that Young is most valuable at 3B, especially given the general weakness of the position across the leagues. The AL makes a little more sense, given his defensive limitations, and the White Sox and Mariners make sense as much as Detroit. Baltimore would make sense as well, given that that would be one of the few situations where Young would represent a defensive upgrade.

    Comment by gabriel — September 5, 2011 @ 7:17 pm

  27. How much money would the Rangers have to eat for Young to make sense for the non-contending Mariners or Orioles? At least with the White Sox and Tigers, contention could justify paying most of the $32 million Young’s still owed, and the Angels might make sense if they had any money to spend.

    Comment by Kevin S. — September 5, 2011 @ 7:57 pm

  28. Why would Young accept a trade to those terrible teams?

    Comment by Matt — September 5, 2011 @ 10:33 pm

  29. Spelling mistakes are one thing that can be (fairly) easily overlooked, but when dates/stats/numbers are clearly wrong and/or confusing, it definitely detracts from the article. Napoli’s .400 wOBA in 2012? That’s just confusing writing.

    Comment by exxrox — September 5, 2011 @ 10:41 pm

  30. Young should not be playing third base on an everyday basis if your team has hopes for a championship. He has decent hands but his reactions are very slow. If anything, his current skill set is more suited to playing second than third.

    He is still a very productive hitter that hasn’t lost his contact skills.

    Comment by Phantom Stranger — September 6, 2011 @ 12:08 am

  31. Down-vote for Daniel. You know why spelling is important? Because if someone hasn’t taken the time to proof-read the article they probably haven’t taken the time to fact check it either.

    I love fangraphs in general, and in the interests of supporting it I’d like to see the articles spelled correctly.

    Comment by Jesse — September 6, 2011 @ 12:34 am

  32. THIS was insightful and good enough to be linked to ESPN??

    Comment by jhill14 — September 6, 2011 @ 8:24 am

  33. “His biannual off-season whining when he’s moved to accommodate a superior fielder has damaged his reputation. (Remember “misled and manipulated?” Good times.)”

    This is not a majority opinion among those involved with the sport. It’s a majority opinion among those who write and read articles in this space. The traditional sports media still drools over Michael Young and compliments his willingness to move positions, despite him being “misled and manipulated”.

    Comment by tgayvert — September 6, 2011 @ 9:20 am

  34. That .313 has come in all of 31 plate appearances, so I wouldn’t put much stock into it. Plus it’s still pretty bad, especially for a corner infielder. Not to mention that those 31 PA have raised his season wOBA to .232. For perspective, Adam Dunn (whose offensive woes this season are legendary by now) has a .266 wOBA.

    Comment by Josh — September 6, 2011 @ 9:51 am

  35. Daniel, I’m not trolling. I’ve not mentioned the spelling errors once in the year or so that I’ve been following this site, but I just feel like it’s going past the realm of a few innocent mistakes. They don’t need an editor for this, they need spellcheck and one readthrough of their own stuff. It really is distracting, reading an article with more spelling errors than your average college freshman essay. It just feels like after a while that the writers don’t read their own stuff, which also makes me less trustful of the stats they bring up. If they can’t be bothered to read for spelling errors, how can I be sure they checked all their facts thoroughly?

    Comment by Sam — September 6, 2011 @ 10:43 am

  36. But it would lose you Michael Young who is a better hitter than both Cruz and Hamilton this year. And then there is the whole nebulous category of clubhouse leadership.

    Comment by Jacob — September 6, 2011 @ 11:07 am

  37. The mitigation of Young’s defence given the Tigers scenario doesn’t take into account that the Tigers would be DHing Young at the expense of Avila, on days when Martinez catches. If the Tigers were to make such a move, it would have to be because they are expecting Young to play 3rd all year. With Castellanos set to arrive in another 2-3 years, a short-term fix at 3rd is an option, and Young would make sense, but not unless the Tigers are taking back some additional talent with that contract…Young for $16M/season is far too expensive. I’ll take an overpaid Betemit and let him platoon with the terrible Inge before paying Young $16M to hope that he’s as productive in Comerica – Young with a career OPS+ of 93 on the road…no thank you. He’s been better on the road this season (114), but posted a 78 in 2010. I think he’s a Kenny Williams candidate before he’s a Dombrowski candidate.

    Comment by Ian — September 6, 2011 @ 11:53 am

  38. Show your work.

    Comment by Welp — September 6, 2011 @ 12:05 pm

  39. “In the five years before this season, Young was worth 17.5 WAR, Beltre was worth 18.0 WAR.”

    Are you kidding me right now? He was playing in SAFECO, while Young played in ARLINGTON. What is wrong with you

    Comment by Welp — September 6, 2011 @ 12:06 pm

  40. He can still do the job at 2nd. It’s those hot liners that 3Bs get in abundance that Young sucks on. His first step is non-existant. After his bad first step, his speed is around average, which translates to pretty good 2B option since he’s a great bat, and an averageish glove there. There are a lot of better gloves at 2nd, but fewer better hitters there.

    Comment by John — September 6, 2011 @ 6:05 pm

  41. WAR is park adjusted. Beltre is better, but Michael Young IS a good player.

    Comment by Person — September 6, 2011 @ 6:30 pm

  42. Im a Rangers fan that loves what Young has contributed this year, however, I can still admit the truth of the matter which is that he has very little power, almost never walks, and is going to be 35 next month. This is the first year in a while that he will actually live up to his salary in terms of the value he provided this year, and he is on the books for over 30 million the next two years. I say if you can get anyone to eat his salary than you have to do it, even if you get nothing in return. That 16 million can be put toward CJ or even a better and younger hitter like Prince Fielder or a long shot like Pujols. I don’t think Young has had an OPS over .900 during any season of his career and if he is strictly going to be a 1B/DH going forward, that type of production doesn’t warrant the money for the Rangers, who have capable replacements at a fraction of the cost, or could get an upgrade by paying a similar salary.

    Comment by YDave — September 7, 2011 @ 5:30 am

  43. Well, until I read this, I thought Michael Young was one of the few good guys in baseball. He could be the major league batting avg. champion this year. They pay him well for this, and they know his fielding is avg. Why speculate on trading him until you see what he does down the stretch, that is what makes his salary acceptable or not.

    Comment by joe — September 7, 2011 @ 9:02 am

  44. Yes, this isn’t the New York Times. Fangraphs is all original material.

    Comment by Jayson Blair & Zachery Kouwe — September 7, 2011 @ 9:44 am

  45. don’t let this persons interpretation of a scenario we know very little about alter what you think. Mike’s an okay guy. He’s not Mother Theresa but a more regular Joe who truly felt he was misled.
    He put those feelings aside and has played good ball almost consistently all year. It may be in the best interest of the Rangers to trade him after this year but the local fans will be very, very dissapointed.

    Comment by jhill14 — September 8, 2011 @ 4:13 pm

  46. Some of us long time Ranger Fans think the problem in the off season was Jon Daniels and his lack of people skills, not M.Y. Look at what Michael has done offensively over the last 10-years. 16- mil is a bargain. Also, he is not the defensive liability he is made out to be. He can adequately play any infield position, period. Not every 3B is a Brooks Robinson.
    Matt, I got an idea – you’re from Toronto, eh? Write about hockey…

    Comment by OkieBevoLuvr — September 10, 2011 @ 4:02 pm

  47. Young is a bad defender? he plays every where on the diamond and he doesn’t even play there everyday and still he does great.. He is in the top 3 in batting average in the A.L and he doesn’t hit for power but he does hit for average.. The ranger have other guys (josh, beltre, cruz) that can hit for power so why is it a bad thing that Young doesn’t hit for power?? The ranger will stick with young and give him the chance to get his 3.000 hit with the team.. i think your just a guy that really wants young on your team so you thought i would be a good idea to write this stupid shit about him…. write about something else man

    Comment by Tevemartinez — September 14, 2011 @ 8:34 am

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