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  1. I would not exactly say the Mclouth trade did not work out for the Pirates. Morton has put up around 2 wins above replacement this year, and Locke is just making his debut in the big league rotation. Also Gorky’s Hernandez has had a decent AAA season and still has some bit of hope at a 4th OF job. Mclouth on the other hand has been down right terrible in Atlanta. The two glaring mistakes I can see with Huntington has been the bay trade, and the failure to sign Sano.

    Comment by Seth — September 12, 2011 @ 1:18 pm

  2. They’re not the “next Rays” but they may be the “next Royals” — and the sad thing is that, considering the Pirates’ last couple of decades, that’s a significant improvement.

    Comment by joser — September 12, 2011 @ 1:54 pm

  3. Next Royals eh? Team with a #1 ranked minor league system and young MLB talent that never put it together in the bigs. Sorry, we already did that in 1997. Not interested.

    Comment by PiratesHurdles — September 12, 2011 @ 2:34 pm

  4. Personally, his signing of Tabata to a contract so ridiculous his agent LEFT him was really cool. I mean, the Clemente card really helped with him being Tabata’s favorite player growing up, but still that contract looks like an amazing bargain even if he only turns out to be an AVERAGE player, and a 22 year old who has already put up over 2.0 WAR in his FIRST 162 games, it looks like he could be an even bigger bargain. 2 years from now, we might be seeing him in the top 20 best contract list on fangraphs.

    Comment by A guy from PA — September 12, 2011 @ 2:54 pm

  5. It may be a bit early to say the Royal’s prospects “haven’t put it together in the bigs”

    Comment by Jump to Conclusion Mat — September 12, 2011 @ 3:38 pm

  6. The Pirates didn’t have anything to sell (and still don’t).

    They are basically required to build through the draft and the scrap heap.

    So, they basically have to be quite a bit smarter (and luckier) than most of the other teams.

    The GM of the Pirates has to be one of the worst jobs to have in MLB.

    It’s difficult to imagine many GMs having “success” in PIT.

    Comment by CircleChange11 — September 12, 2011 @ 6:15 pm

  7. Up till now Huntington has shown that he has a plan and that he can follow it. He’s done better than his predecessor (but so could my border collie) but hasn’t done anything of note. This off season should be different.

    This is going to be a big off season for the Pirates. With Overbay (5), Diaz(2), Maholm(6), and at least one catcher(3+) coming off a payroll of about 43M, the Bucs will be about 23 million under their 50 million target. Picking 10th in a weak draft instead of Cole and Bell should save millions more.

    In addition to the cap room the minor league system has provided the team with interesting if not particularly high end trade bait at SP (Maholm, Ohlendorf, Lincoln),, RP (everyone except for Hanrahan including minor leaguers like Wilson,Morris, Hughes) , and OF (Tabata, Presley, Hernandez, Marte)

    This is the year that Huntington should finally be aggressive. This isn’t the best FA class for the Bucs since Pujols, Fielder and Reyes are too expensive for the team, but there are a few B types (Cuddyer, Kubel) that would be good additions. However I think the real key to this off season will be made via the trade market. Young blocked players like Yonder Alonso and expensive veteran players like Andre Ethier will be available for the right package. For the first time in years the Pirates will be in a position to go after that talent. This is the offseason that the organization (and the fans) find out if Huntington is the right man for the job long term.

    Comment by The Fort — September 12, 2011 @ 11:06 pm

  8. You do forget that players of note like Hanrahan, Charlie Morton, Evan Meek, Chris Resop, Garret Jones, and Andrew McCutchen are all eligible for arbitration. Now, obviously the Pirates want to keep most of those guys, as even with arbitration raises it looks like they will provide good value, but the Pirates are going to have much less than 23 million to work with. Also keep in mind Cedeno’s 3 million dollar option, if the Pirates see him as a 1 to 2 WAR people, (he’s been worth 2 WAR this year, but many expect him to be worth less next year) they could end up picking up his option as well.

    Comment by A guy from PA — September 13, 2011 @ 12:14 pm

  9. It’s funny to see how both sides of the fence are being played amongst Pirates fans. On one side, you have the long time pro-management OBN website, where they trip over themselves, calling this a no-brainer.On the opposite side, the anti-management CIA (Change in Atmosphere), they all claim that Huntington should have been fired already. While both sites have extremely misinformed fanatics, it’s clear that Huntington, Coonely and Nutting are all polarizing characters. Huntington did state his long term plan in 2008 and he’s followed it. Giving him the opportunity to see it through seems far more justifiable than firing him does.

    Comment by Two-sided Fence — September 13, 2011 @ 2:18 pm

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