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  1. Love this

    Comment by LLLL — November 9, 2011 @ 8:31 am

  2. I think you meant to link to Jeff Niemann, not Randy Niemann.

    Comment by Bryz — November 9, 2011 @ 8:49 am

  3. This interview is amazing.

    Comment by Aaron — November 9, 2011 @ 9:37 am

  4. Glad you published this interview. Best of luck to McClure- sounds like he’s got a lot to offer pitchers at any level.

    I wonder why the Cardinals don’t have Ted Simmons on their list of managerial candidates.

    Comment by baked mcbride — November 9, 2011 @ 10:01 am

  5. Great stuff. I had never seen anybody talk about how badly Bannister screwed himself up after buying in so hard on DIPS theory. He’s the perfect example of how general phenomena can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Bannister could have been one of the exceptions to the rule (of the majority of players being mediocre and only playing a few years) had he just kept doing what made him successful. It was baffling to me why in the world he changed his arm angle and used pitch sequences that were just bizarre. He started out with a fastball that was 89-90, but as McClure said about some other pitchers, hitters just saw the top of the baseball because even though he was short, he had some deception and his arm angle gave him a nice fastball, and he did a good job of keeping it down. It’s amazing that such an intelligent guy could not see that that was his only strength as a pitcher. His offspeed was pretty brutal, but maybe those pitches could have come along in the long run.

    Comment by Paul — November 9, 2011 @ 11:21 am

  6. Would never have guessed Simmons was such a sage. He ought to be a bit more visable.

    Comment by jason — November 9, 2011 @ 11:23 am

  7. Not familiar with Bob McLure, but I have to stay I am a fan now. Great baseball mind.

    Comment by YazInLeft8 — November 9, 2011 @ 6:01 pm

  8. I have always had a gut feeling that I would rather have my players unaware of advanced metrics. Yeah it’s neat for FG readers to see guys like Greinke and Bannister say the words FIP or whatever because it dispels some of the more common reactionary responses to the saber crowd, but I don’t think it helps them perform, and though I’m not convinced it can really hurt either, I think it can certainly screw with a player’s head as McClure implies.

    Comment by Tom — November 12, 2011 @ 6:07 pm


    Comment by Luis — November 12, 2011 @ 8:05 pm

  10. This interview is absolutely awesome.

    Comment by Kyle Boddy — November 12, 2011 @ 10:15 pm

  11. I like the interview, but I think we need to be careful with the “players shouldn’t think too much” idea. Based on the pitch types on Bannister’s page, he made his drastic changes after 2008. This was AFTER his ERA went up from 3.87 to 5.76. However, his FIP went up much more slightly, and his xFIP and SIERA actually went down. After his redesign, so to speak, his SIERA was slightly lower and his xFIP was lower. Looking at this, it seems more likely that what changed was Bannister’s luck. Yes, he changed the kind of pitcher he was, but didn’t seem to get worse, just different.

    Comment by Ben Hall — November 13, 2011 @ 9:54 pm

  12. Robert Craig McClure!!! Dr. Rot sounds like a pretty sage pitching coach to me. Soria and Grenke faired pretty well with him. Good luck BM! Ha ha ha.

    Comment by Craig Phillips — November 29, 2011 @ 5:35 pm

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