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  1. Lowrie sustained a left wrist injury in early in 2008. He played through it, but the injury sapped his power when batting left-handed. After trying rest and rehab, he ended up having surgery in 2009, and then had a number of setbacks. I recall that as of the end of the 2009 season, he was still dealing with wrist pain.

    As a switch hitter, this injury is certainly responsible for some of his platoon splits. But I don’t know whether the injury is something that still affects him.

    Comment by Yirmiyahu — December 6, 2011 @ 4:27 pm

  2. This is really good to note. With his pro splits being so discrepant, and so different from his minor league marks, I had to think something was up. This makes sense.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — December 6, 2011 @ 4:34 pm

  3. Even the Sox fans who loved Lowrie have given up, he CANNOT play SS on a daily basis, anyone who trades for him expecting that will be very disappointed, he exposed as a defensive liability when he does. He also can not stay healthy, no matter how freakish the injury is, there is always a new one in the pipeline.

    His best role is as a supersub.

    Comment by fip_drip — December 6, 2011 @ 4:34 pm

  4. Comparing Lowrie to Ellsbury is a fallacy. Lowrie has never been able to handle an entire season of baseball. He also can’t play shortstop competently. So you have a defensively-handicapped injury-ridden guy who might be able to play the corners competently, just about to enter his arbitration years. Hooray?

    Comment by AndrewYF — December 6, 2011 @ 4:35 pm

  5. You casually assume average defense at SS without referencing any data or scouting reports. My impression is that with Lowrie, defense has always been the bigger question then offense.

    Comment by Peter — December 6, 2011 @ 4:37 pm

  6. I don’t think you can bank on average SS defense from Lowrie.

    Comment by Gregory — December 6, 2011 @ 4:48 pm

  7. Did I miss defense becoming absolutely quantifiable? UZR and UZR/150 have him just above water for his entire career everywhere he’s played.

    If it seemed casual, it’s because over or understating his value would have seemed like a real reach either way.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — December 6, 2011 @ 4:53 pm

  8. Maybe not average, but if he plays to his career numbers, he *could be* a 4 WAR shortstop.

    Even that might be a reach, but when he can be had for far less than that in terms of actual value*, he might be worth a look.

    *I say this not knowing exactly what Cherington would ask for. I can’t imagine it would be a ton, however.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — December 6, 2011 @ 4:54 pm

  9. I still think someone will see him as an all-hit, little-glove shortstop. As we see it, that’s not a great player to build around necessarily, but it’s a useful player.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — December 6, 2011 @ 4:55 pm

  10. A potential shift back to second could open up more markets as well (Cubs?)

    Comment by Joel — December 6, 2011 @ 5:25 pm

  11. I would think that with Scutaro’s age and Youkilis’s injuries over the past couple of seasons the Sox would want to hang on to Lowrie. Plus I don’t think anyone should count on Jose Iglesias ever hitting enough to be an MLB starter, no matter how good his defense is. A .235/.285/.269 split in over 100 games at AAA is pretty terrible.

    Comment by Preston — December 6, 2011 @ 5:35 pm

  12. Haha, Lowrie is even more likely to get traded now because the REd Sox have won the posting for Japanese shortstop Hiroyuki Nakajima. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sponichi.co.jp%2Fbaseball%2Fnews%2F2011%2F12%2F07%2Fkiji%2FK20111207002188830.html

    Comment by Carlcrawfordisawesome — December 6, 2011 @ 5:42 pm

  13. “Sports Nippon reports that the Red Sox have submitted the highest bid for Japanese shortstop Hiroyuki Nakajima.”

    if true, the whole lot of them could be on the block.

    Comment by johnnycuff — December 6, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

  14. he’s had his share of injuries and seems to be something of a slow healer, but i feel like he gets a LITTLE bit of a bad rap. the wrist thing bothered him for a long time when it was really just one injury – seems like he already had the “injury-prone” tag by the time the wrist odyssey was over, before anything else happened. then counting “mono” in the litany of “injuries” seems pretty unfair. that’s an illness. then people take the shoulder injury as final confirmation that he’ll never stay healthy.

    not saying he’s definitely not injury-prone, but there’s also such a thing as runs of bad luck. jose reyes was injury-prone until he wasn’t. (then he finally was again, of course, but guys like this can and do still run off a few impressive healthy seasons in their prime.)

    he’s also ok at 2B, as far as i know, so it isn’t really just “the corners” that he can play.

    just devil’s advocating a little.

    Comment by wily mo — December 6, 2011 @ 5:44 pm

  15. looks like you’re quicker on the draw :p

    Comment by johnnycuff — December 6, 2011 @ 5:47 pm

  16. Boston didn’t even bid.

    Comment by NS — December 6, 2011 @ 6:17 pm

  17. this rumor has been confirmed as false (courtesy of Gordon Edes)

    Comment by JJ — December 6, 2011 @ 6:21 pm

  18. Bill James’s projections always seemed overly optimistic to me. ZIPS has Lowrie at 252/316/406 next year, which seems more realistic. Still good for a shortstop, but not that close to a 4-win player, I think.

    Comment by Scott — December 6, 2011 @ 6:22 pm

  19. No, that would probably be more like 2.5 as my best guess. Still plenty of value, but not amazing.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — December 6, 2011 @ 6:29 pm

  20. I think He can play short at at least an acceptable level, maybe better than average. And the idea that Lowrie’s propensity for getting hurt is predictive seems somewhat silly to me. What does getting mono or injuring his solder have to do with his broken wrist? Those are totally different injuries, and did not cause each other.

    Comment by williams .482 — December 6, 2011 @ 6:39 pm

  21. Jhonny Peralta, Yunel Escobar, Asdrubal Cabrera, and JJ Hardy suggest you recheck your 2011 AL SS wOBA numbers. But Alexei Ramirez thanks you for overselling his .319 wOBA last season.

    Comment by Eric — December 6, 2011 @ 6:41 pm

  22. If he’s capable of 4 WAR then they may as well keep him. Scutaro can’t do that – he’s only surpassed 3 WAR once in his life. Iglesias is the second coming of Rey Ordonez. Neither of those players should block a 4 WAR shortstop.

    Comment by vivalajeter — December 6, 2011 @ 7:01 pm

  23. He has ~1100 innings at SS.. That’s less than the equivalent of 1 full season and I think it’s hard to put too much stock in the UZR and UZR/150.

    At 2nd and 3rd, it’s ~700-800 innings combined

    Comment by Joe — December 6, 2011 @ 7:14 pm

  24. Dead on.

    This is also Scutaro’s last year and Youkilis has a club option next year.

    Youkilis’ days at 3rd look numbered, if the Sox sign Ortiz for a couple of years I could see the RedSox not picking up that option or looking to deal him next offseason…. If they don’t sign Ortiz (or somehow manage a 1 year deal), then they could look to shift Youkilis to DH eventually and then plug Scutaro in at 3rd

    Unless Iglesias’ bat picks up, I don’t see him as a successor to Scutaro; while the Red Sox don’t need offense out of the position, I’m not sure they can live with a complete blackhole in the lineup. Keeping Lowrie around gives the Red Sox some flexibility next offseason at both SS and 3rd.(and some financial flexibility)

    Comment by Joe — December 6, 2011 @ 7:32 pm

  25. Hey if he can handle himself a bit at 2B, that’d work too. 3B is a super-shallow position too. I’d probably consider giving him a shot.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — December 6, 2011 @ 7:36 pm

  26. Oh I know. Not perfect, but it’s what we have.

    Even ‘meh’ defense from a pretty good hitter goes a long way at a really shallow shortstop pool.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — December 6, 2011 @ 7:38 pm

  27. I don’t disagree. We just connected the dots based on what we read in the media, and it seemed like there was a chance they’d shop him.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — December 6, 2011 @ 7:40 pm

  28. Good catch. I goofed on the leaderboard. Fixing right now.

    Comment by Brandon Warne — December 6, 2011 @ 7:42 pm

  29. I believe he’s said in interviews that he’ll never have the same power from the lefty batter’s box. He has fewer wrist bones now than he started with; they took one out in the surgery and those don’t grow back.

    Comment by Greg — December 6, 2011 @ 8:02 pm

  30. Some perspective…..# of 4 WAR SS’s in recent history:
    2011 – 8
    2010 – 5
    2009 – 6
    2008 – 5
    2007 – 7

    If Lowrie is really a potential 4 WAR SS, the Red Sox at long last have found their SS of the future and they’d be fools to trade him. He would be a top 10 SS in MLB at 4 WAR

    Comment by Tom — December 6, 2011 @ 8:05 pm

  31. The problem isn’t ability — the problem with Jed has always been health. If the Sox can get a good return in exchange for exporting out the health risk and keeping surer things in Scutaro and Iglesias, it would make sense to do so.

    Comment by PaddyG — December 6, 2011 @ 8:05 pm

  32. The shoulder is the first and only one that could suggest poor conditioning. If we see him go down with shoulder problems again that will be a problem.

    But you’re right. His wrist is healed now, as much as it ever will be. And mono is contra-indicative of future infections: he has antibodies now.

    Comment by Greg — December 6, 2011 @ 8:09 pm

  33. Whelp…given what is happening in Florida today the market for Lowrie might be frozen until they figure out what to do with Hanley.

    I have an idea: Trade him to Boston for Josh Beckett.

    Comment by PortlandYankee — December 6, 2011 @ 8:58 pm

  34. You have an invalid argument about the hamate bone=power forever gone: see one Panda, KungFu.

    Comment by AK707 — December 6, 2011 @ 9:01 pm

  35. AK707, the hamate bone is in the hand (not the wrist), and Lowrie didn’t have his removed.

    He had part of his ulnar styloid bone removed. He also had some ligaments reconstructed.

    Comment by Yirmiyahu — December 7, 2011 @ 10:07 am

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    Comment by nnebloodgeor — October 7, 2012 @ 6:50 am

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