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  1. price is the other prospect

    Comment by Tom B — July 31, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

  2. Good deal for the Red Sox?
    Perfect fit?

    Really, Dave?

    Yes, Kottaras can go back to AAA now, but now look at our situation:
    C: Varitek, Martinez
    1B: Youkilis, Martinez, LaRoche
    3B: Lowell, Youkilis
    DH: Ortiz, Lowell

    How’s this going to work? Sure the price was sort of cheap (We did give up an 8.1 K/9 in 2009 guy, though), but this is iffy stuff.

    /waits to see if the Sox now spin LaRoche to Atlanta, maybe with Buchholz or someone for Escobar

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

  3. Apologies for not knowing, but what is Martinez’s contract status?

    Comment by Big Oil — July 31, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

  4. Okay what the mother eff:

    3:21 p.m. Yahoo! Sports’s Gordon Edes reports that the Red Sox have dealt Adam LaRoche to the Braves for first baseman Casey Kotchman. Kotchman, 26, is batting .282 with six homers and 41 RBIs this season. LaRoche spent the first three years of his career with the Braves. He was acquired by the Red Sox on July 22 from the Pirates for a pair of prospects.

    So we traded our recently acquired 1B for a slightly younger 1B?

    Are the Sox about to put Kotchman in AAA and spin Lars Anderson in a deal for Halladay?

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

  5. 2009: $5.7 million, 2010: $7 million club option w/$250,000 buyout, 2011: Free Agent

    So not too bad given his production. Even at first, he’s worth $7,000,000.

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

  6. Thanks, and agreed.

    Comment by Big Oil — July 31, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

  7. As a Giants fan, it’s sad to think we could have packaged Alderson and Barnes and been closing to getting V-Mart instead of Sanchez and Garko.

    Comment by Ashraf D — July 31, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

  8. I’m seriously confused as hell right now.
    There HAS to be something else to LaRoche for Kotchman. Why would we trade an okay 1B for an okay 1B?

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

  9. FoxSports is reporting Kotchman may be the full time 1B and Martinez @ DH.

    Are the Sox shopping Ortiz?

    Man I am comment whoring right now. Don’t care, completely confused as to what the Sox are whipping together in the 11th hour and want answers.

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

  10. Did the braves really do Kotchman for Laroche?
    What’re the getting out of that?

    Comment by Gary — July 31, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

  11. A decent but replaceable 1B who’s gone at the end of the season instead of one about to hit arbitration.

    Makes this double confusing for me, Kotchman’s about to hit those years, we’re paying him til 2012.

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

  12. I’m hearing that Kotch isn’t going anywhere and that the Sox love him off the bench. A 2009 version of Dougie M, if you will. As a Sox fan, I love the deal.

    Comment by Dave — July 31, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

  13. Can’t you proofread your writing? You have at least one spelling error. Any shred of credibility you may have gets negated by sloppy writing.

    Regardless of that, Martinez is a good hitter, and an above-average fielder. I just don’t think this deal changes their chances at a World Series, for better or for worse.

    Comment by Mark H — July 31, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

  14. If we want to count Martinez in the corner IF crowd since he’s a poor defensive C…

    5 corner IF / DH types.

    20% of our roster.

    When’s Kotchman even going to get to play if we’ll be busy swapping around Tek, Ortiz, Lowell, Youk, and Martinez in the lineup? I mean I see the pros of these guys getting the day off every 4th or 5th day, but this could get messy quick.

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

  15. Damn, I was hoping the Sox would part with Buccholtz.

    V-Mart definitely makes them better… their offense really didn’t scare me anymore. Now they’ve got another quality hitter to throw at you and grind you down. Blah.

    Comment by Rob in CT — July 31, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

  16. That I do agree with. Unfortunately the Red Sox have a lot of iffy money in the corner IF right now (not that it’s their fault Lowell and Ortiz went south so quick), so having those unmoveable parts isn’t too much fun.

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

  17. Trying to beat the Yankees at their own game?

    Comment by Terminator X — July 31, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

  18. You’re kidding, right?

    Comment by Terminator X — July 31, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

  19. Hey, I’m a Yankees fan. I know a lot about that sort of thing.

    Comment by Rob in CT — July 31, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

  20. First with the Ortiz report, than this.

    I guess so.

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

  21. Shopping Oritz? Seriously, for what, 10 baseball bats like the indy league deal?

    Comment by rizzo — July 31, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

  22. They may have offered to Lugo it up on the deal for all I know.

    I think the Red Sox are better. And when I say I think, I mean that in a confused state of mind. Not pissed over what we lost, but not fully digesting what we gained.

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

  23. 4:15 p.m. ESPN reports, in sort of a throwaway line in its Martinez story, that a bigger deal for Halladay fell apart when the Sox refused to part with both Buchholz and Bard.

    Comment by Joe R — July 31, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

  24. exactly, it’s just money…

    Comment by Tom B — July 31, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

  25. Yeah, except not at all.

    Masterson >>> Alderson.

    Comment by JH — July 31, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

  26. Well, this July’s race was a tough one, but Mark H has officially swept in right under the deadline to come up with the douchebag comment of the month. Congratulations. You’ll be receiving your gift basket in the mail shortly.

    Comment by JH — July 31, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

  27. Varitek can SIT down now as much as possible (except vs. Ls).

    Comment by Rich Gedman — July 31, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

  28. So this makes Shoppach the starting C for the Indians?

    Comment by joser — July 31, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

  29. Guess they didn’t notice V.Mart hitting like crap the past few weeks… .361 wOBA, no defense, meh…

    Comment by Matt B, — July 31, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

  30. Why, because Martinez wasn’t even the best player this year on a poor team? You’re nuts if you think this moves makes them anymore of a front-runner for the World Series than they already were, and that was my point.

    Or, is it because I find it ridiculous that a blogger, or any writer, is willing to post an article without proofreading it. It’s pure crap, and insulting to real writers. Have some respect for the profession, and write a professional article. Christ, Microsoft Word even underlines all mistakes for you.

    Comment by Mark H — July 31, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

  31. Shoppach would seem to be in line for more playing time but Cleveland acquired a good catching prospect, Lou Marson, in the deal with the Phillies.

    Comment by dbuff — July 31, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

  32. If Kottaras is going back to AAA, who is going to catch Wake?!

    If you don’t think that’s a big deal, I will refer you to the Doug Mirabelli police escort.

    Comment by Pat — July 31, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

  33. Hate hate hate hatetatatata

    Comment by Hater — July 31, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

  34. no options left for Kottaras.

    they can option Kotchman, though.

    Comment by 080808 — July 31, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

  35. “Why, because Martinez wasn’t even the best player this year on a poor team?”

    Brilliant!

    “Guess they didn’t notice V.Mart hitting like crap the past few weeks”

    Sigh.

    Comment by Mike — August 1, 2009 @ 4:56 am

  36. Meh. I still find the return very underwhelming for Cleveland. Should’ve gotten at least one of Buchholz or Casey Kelly.

    Although good on Shapiro for getting Hagadone over Bowden, way more upside there.

    This must be an extreme buyers’ market.

    Comment by BX — August 1, 2009 @ 8:26 am

  37. Actually. Kottaras is out of options, I don’t think we can send him to AAA. Also, who is going to catch Wake??

    Comment by Derek — August 1, 2009 @ 9:30 am

  38. That is what is confusing me. Seems like they have to send someone down to AAA. I am sure Kotchman is going to be excited about being a starter on a major league team and is now going to be a starter for AAA.

    Comment by Derek — August 1, 2009 @ 9:37 am

  39. Justin Masterson is a stud, a stud I tell you.

    Guy has a very good k/bb while inducing a ton of grounders. What is not to like?

    Comment by fanOFdefenseAGAIN — August 2, 2009 @ 8:14 am

  40. So, Martinez has a terrible month and a half and, despite still in the high .280s, suddenly becomes a mediocre player?

    Comment by Nelson — August 2, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

  41. Do other teams even still want Buchholz? You get Masterson, I think you feel pretty good about your chances to at least have a pretty useful pitcher in the present and near future. You get Buchholz, and you’re kind of rolling the dice that you’ll wind up getting anything of use at all. The Red Sox probably think they have a large enough pool of pitching talent accumulated to gamble that way, but I don’t know that other teams would be as likely to think the same way.

    Comment by Judy — August 3, 2009 @ 8:08 am

  42. Back to the Kottaras issue, are we just going to shelve him until September call ups so we don’t have to use up 3 of 25 spots on catchers?

    Comment by Joe R — August 3, 2009 @ 8:26 am

  43. I still can’t believe that Gil Meche is a good pitcher. Hearing that Masterson’s upside is Gil Meche made me do a double take.

    Comment by radiosurgery — August 3, 2009 @ 10:45 am

  44. Sure, why not? Wakefield doesn’t seem to be in any kind of shape to need him sooner, anyway.

    Comment by Judy — August 3, 2009 @ 11:03 am

  45. Well to be fair, you can’t just DL a guy if he doesn’t want to be on there.

    I’d love if Martinez could just be Wake’s catcher, but by all metrics, Martinez is no Molina-brother behind the dish.

    Comment by Joe R — August 3, 2009 @ 11:29 am

  46. So I am starting to really enjoy this here Victor Martinez trade.
    Best of all, his BABIP is .305 which leads me to believe he can continue to OPS around .900. YAY.

    Comment by Joe R — August 26, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

  47. This is why women shouldnt talk sports…… buchholz some of the best pure stuff in baseball, while tour comment on other teams not wanting to gamble as much as the red sox…. every team in baseball would have taken buchholz over masterson in a second in july and its pretty clear why… masterson is a bullpen arm, he just doesnt have anything that scares lefties

    Comment by Pat — October 19, 2009 @ 1:52 am

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