how OVERRATED is wallace.. This guy is a singles hitter. I dont get why everyone thinks hes is so great. The only more overrated prospect is now in the major is Clay buchholz.
Nice idea. This list would be much more helpful with a bit of context — what level is this player at now, what’s his ETA. Some of the listings refer to this vaguely but it’d be much more helpful broken out in some way. Thanks.
I’d probably go with Wallace, Alderson, Knapp, Stewart, Carter but after a few days to look at all the prospects that changed hands, I don’t think any of these guys are going to be huge impact guys at the major league level and every single one of them has considerable question marks at the moment.
Just curious why you consider Clay Buchholz overrated. Given his MiLB numbers and his raw stuff, you seem to be in a hurry to write him off after only 118 MLB innings.
so ladendorf has time on his side as a 21 year old struggling in a ball, but harrison has been doing well for longer at the same level and same age and he is oldish?
I love how only one prospect on this list actually has had success at the MLB level against real MLB players, and he’s at #30. The rest of these dudes must be studs.
he gets all the Hype as being the next great thing.. a ACE that will never be traded, He gets a 10 run lead and cant hold it to get the lead. he walks people and gets hit hard. He is overrated
Classic case of a big market team prospect getting a lot of attention that because his team has a ton of fans. Basically, people are using the availability heuristic. There’s no way he’s as good as (for example) Tommy Hanson, but he gets tons of hype. He’s maybe a No. 3 SP, but you’d think he was a future ace from the way people talk about him. To get an idea of what a future ace looks like, see Josh Beckett’s MiLB stats. Buchholz throws like a girl by comparison.
Ya I keep seeing that alderson is topping out in the mid 80′s lately whereas not long ago he was a low 90′s pitcher. Which was why he was considered a more valuable commodity just a little while ago, and partially explains why the giants gave him away for absolutely nothing (although you’d think they’d want to try and figure his velocity problems out but what do I know).
He likes the former Reds bullpen arms better. I still can’t get too excited about relief prospects, but if Alderson’s stuff doesn’t recover by next year then we could have a problem.
“Classic case of a big market team prospect getting a lot of attention that because his team has a ton of fans. Basically, people are using the availability heuristic. There’s no way he’s as good as (for example) Tommy Hanson, but he gets tons of hype. He’s maybe a No. 3 SP, but you’d think he was a future ace from the way people talk about him. To get an idea of what a future ace looks like, see Josh Beckett’s MiLB stats. Buchholz throws like a girl by comparison.”
You might wanna look at Buchholz’s numbers in 2007. You are espousing a complete myth based on his poor performance so far in the majors.
Hanson in 389 minor league innings:
463 K, 136 BB, 32 HR, 1.04 WHIP
And by the way, Tommy Hanson got plenty of hype. The fact that Buchholz threw a no-hitter in his SECOND start and got a ton of hype has nothing to do with pitching for the Red Sox.
Thanks, but it’s like providing references on a resume. A great way to not make people go that extra step for you is to say “references on request.” The whole point is to make it easier on people to enjoy your material, hire you, whatever.
Dave Davidson fan says:
August 3, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Does Alderson get top billing, or Wallace?
MPAUL says:
August 3, 2009 at 1:28 pm
gotta be wallace
Nick says:
August 3, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Prediction:
5. Knapp
4. Masterson
3. Hagadone
2. Alderson
1. Wallace
maybe flip 2/3 if they wanna be bold.
Dave Davidson fan says:
August 3, 2009 at 1:37 pm
How would Toronto have more prospect value than Pittsburgh? What else did they do besides the Scott Rolen deal?
Marc says:
August 3, 2009 at 1:38 pm
You’ll just have to check back on Friday… :)
Jamie says:
August 3, 2009 at 1:59 pm
this is a pretty cool article/series.
while people crap on the indians side of the cliff lee deal, they really did get good players.
Matthew says:
August 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm
how OVERRATED is wallace.. This guy is a singles hitter. I dont get why everyone thinks hes is so great. The only more overrated prospect is now in the major is Clay buchholz.
Matthew says:
August 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Also forgot to mention he has no defensive position. So you got a singles hitter with no defense
Mike says:
August 3, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Keith Law had Alderson #9.
de la F. says:
August 3, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Nice idea. This list would be much more helpful with a bit of context — what level is this player at now, what’s his ETA. Some of the listings refer to this vaguely but it’d be much more helpful broken out in some way. Thanks.
Marc says:
August 3, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I can understand that… but you can also click on each player’s name and see exactly which level he’s at.
jfish26101 says:
August 3, 2009 at 2:55 pm
They said Masterson isn’t eligible.
I’d probably go with Wallace, Alderson, Knapp, Stewart, Carter but after a few days to look at all the prospects that changed hands, I don’t think any of these guys are going to be huge impact guys at the major league level and every single one of them has considerable question marks at the moment.
Aldo says:
August 3, 2009 at 3:49 pm
In AA .367/.392/.653 with an ISO of .286 in 49 at-bats.
That’s a singles hitter?
MJ says:
August 3, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Just curious why you consider Clay Buchholz overrated. Given his MiLB numbers and his raw stuff, you seem to be in a hurry to write him off after only 118 MLB innings.
aaron says:
August 3, 2009 at 4:54 pm
so ladendorf has time on his side as a 21 year old struggling in a ball, but harrison has been doing well for longer at the same level and same age and he is oldish?
jfish26101 says:
August 3, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I’m sort of curious about this as well. Do they really like Stewart/Roenicke that much? I don’t see how they are ranked that high.
Shush says:
August 3, 2009 at 4:56 pm
I love how only one prospect on this list actually has had success at the MLB level against real MLB players, and he’s at #30. The rest of these dudes must be studs.
BX says:
August 3, 2009 at 5:04 pm
I assume the McLouth and DeRosa deals does not count, since you’re starting at July 19?
BX says:
August 3, 2009 at 5:05 pm
oops that was not supposed to next under Shush’s comment. Fail. Sorry about that.
Matthew says:
August 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm
wowww 49 at bats. thats not a small sample size at all. idiot… hes basically James Loney II
Matthew says:
August 3, 2009 at 5:07 pm
he gets all the Hype as being the next great thing.. a ACE that will never be traded, He gets a 10 run lead and cant hold it to get the lead. he walks people and gets hit hard. He is overrated
Justin says:
August 3, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Alderson’s recent dip in stuff has caused many scouts to re-rank him lower on their list(s).
Fresh Hops says:
August 3, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Classic case of a big market team prospect getting a lot of attention that because his team has a ton of fans. Basically, people are using the availability heuristic. There’s no way he’s as good as (for example) Tommy Hanson, but he gets tons of hype. He’s maybe a No. 3 SP, but you’d think he was a future ace from the way people talk about him. To get an idea of what a future ace looks like, see Josh Beckett’s MiLB stats. Buchholz throws like a girl by comparison.
scott says:
August 3, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Ya I keep seeing that alderson is topping out in the mid 80′s lately whereas not long ago he was a low 90′s pitcher. Which was why he was considered a more valuable commodity just a little while ago, and partially explains why the giants gave him away for absolutely nothing (although you’d think they’d want to try and figure his velocity problems out but what do I know).
fan says:
August 3, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Agreed. Great article, context could help.
SamG says:
August 3, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Great series.
Dave Davidson fan says:
August 4, 2009 at 1:37 am
He likes the former Reds bullpen arms better. I still can’t get too excited about relief prospects, but if Alderson’s stuff doesn’t recover by next year then we could have a problem.
Nick says:
August 4, 2009 at 7:57 am
“Classic case of a big market team prospect getting a lot of attention that because his team has a ton of fans. Basically, people are using the availability heuristic. There’s no way he’s as good as (for example) Tommy Hanson, but he gets tons of hype. He’s maybe a No. 3 SP, but you’d think he was a future ace from the way people talk about him. To get an idea of what a future ace looks like, see Josh Beckett’s MiLB stats. Buchholz throws like a girl by comparison.”
You might wanna look at Buchholz’s numbers in 2007. You are espousing a complete myth based on his poor performance so far in the majors.
Hanson in 389 minor league innings:
463 K, 136 BB, 32 HR, 1.04 WHIP
Buchholz in 443.1
506 K, 125 BB, 31 HR, 1.00 WHIP
and just for fun
Josh Beckett in 216 innings
295 K, 51 BB, 13 HR, .89 WHIP
And by the way, Tommy Hanson got plenty of hype. The fact that Buchholz threw a no-hitter in his SECOND start and got a ton of hype has nothing to do with pitching for the Red Sox.
MJ says:
August 4, 2009 at 8:31 am
You saved me the trouble of writing the exact same thing. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
de la F. says:
August 5, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Thanks, but it’s like providing references on a resume. A great way to not make people go that extra step for you is to say “references on request.” The whole point is to make it easier on people to enjoy your material, hire you, whatever.
thatotherguy says:
August 5, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Actually, the explanation for why the Giants gave him away for practically nothing can be given in two words. Brian Sabean.