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  1. Laynce Nix was on the Nationals for all of 2011… so that video is not from 2011.

    Comment by David — February 16, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

  2. Lot of complaints about this piece. Factual inaccuracies, hyperbolic language…poor writing

    Comment by bossman jr — February 16, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  3. You didn’t expect a bit of hyperbole in a piece titled, “THE WORST Pitches of 2011″?

    Comment by Chris in Hawaii — February 16, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

  4. To be fair, Rios was taking part in the festivities of 4/20

    Comment by dan — February 16, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

  5. Cmon, Worst Eephus of 2011!

    Comment by sc2gg — February 16, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  6. Specifics and I’ll gladly fix em if I agree. Always looking to get better. If it’s about PF/x versus other classifications.. can’t help you. Walking a fine line here and we mostly agreed to use PF/x.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — February 16, 2012 @ 3:52 pm

  7. FWIW, I enjoyed the whole series including this post.

    Comment by Detroit Michael — February 16, 2012 @ 4:04 pm

  8. you’re joking but it’s kind of funny: why would you have a ‘worst eephus’ or ‘worst curveball’ even? The fastball, slider, change, you kind of have to throw, or at least try to throw. If you don’t have a knuckler, don’t throw it!

    Comment by Eno Sarris — February 16, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

  9. Really surprised Phil Hughes’ fastball didn’t show up on this.

    Comment by Ben — February 16, 2012 @ 4:41 pm

  10. If there is a best eephus, there has to be a worst…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkdl9zIJAxo

    Comment by sc2gg — February 16, 2012 @ 4:42 pm

  11. Yeah….this video was probably “awful Kyle Lohse 2010″ (fresh off of innovative surgery) rather than “mediocre Kyle Lohse 2011″

    The point still stands that his fastball wasn’t very good.

    Also, if this terribly vague and pseudo scientific trend continues…watch out for “Super Kyle Lohse 2012″…. (same as when Shredder came back as Super Shredder in the second movie and the turtles were like “Oh crap.”)

    Comment by the hottest stove — February 16, 2012 @ 4:59 pm

  12. Actually, Alex Rios would probably show up on just about anybody’s worst pitch, of any kind, from 2011.

    Comment by Charles Strnad — February 16, 2012 @ 5:07 pm

  13. I don’t think even fresh off surgery Lohse threw an 81 MPH fastball. He does throw an awful lot of 81 MPH changeups though.

    Comment by cpebbles — February 16, 2012 @ 5:10 pm

  14. Geez, I thought it was the surgery thing, but why would I trust the MLB video tag is right.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — February 16, 2012 @ 5:13 pm

  15. It’s a fastball according PITCHfx: http://www.joelefkowitz.com/hr_sm.php?x=0.431&y=2.796&pt=FF&r=HR Doesn’t have the labels I guess, but the query was batter: Laynce Nix, pitcher: Kyle Lohse, month: June 2009, showing only HRs and swinging strikes.

    Comment by Albert Lyu — February 16, 2012 @ 5:26 pm

  16. 2009 even! so just a terrible terrible pitch.

    http://www.joelefkowitz.com/hr_sm.php?x=0.431&y=2.796&pt=FF&r=HR

    Comment by Eno Sarris — February 16, 2012 @ 5:26 pm

  17. it’s an 89mph fastball. he hits his spot. there are hundreds of FBs worse than this every year, let alone every three years.

    Comment by bossman jr — February 16, 2012 @ 6:07 pm

  18. If you’re implying that Tadano has the worst eephus, linking to a highlight video might not be the best idea.

    Comment by Bryz — February 16, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  19. since when does drew pomeranz throw a slider?

    Comment by jim — February 16, 2012 @ 6:21 pm

  20. It’s listed as a changeup in pitch f/x and the point wasn’t that that single pitch in the video was the worst. The point was that Wade Davis’ changeup is the worst, and it’s not particularly close.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — February 16, 2012 @ 6:36 pm

  21. No, his is the best. Maybe by default.

    Comment by sc2gg — February 16, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

  22. There’s a reason it’s the worst.

    Comment by sc2gg — February 16, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

  23. “grounders over 44% of the time. Vogelsong only induced ground balls 39.5% of the time with his version of the pitch”

    Is this difference statistically significant? My gut tells me no…

    Comment by walt526 — February 17, 2012 @ 12:15 am

  24. The 5% difference may not seem like much, but over a full season of throwing pitches, it is, especially since 44% is just average. It’s also worth mentioning that pitchers that have sliders (or cutters) worse than that just don’t throw them, or throw them nearly as often as Vogelsong.

    Comment by jerbear1985 — February 17, 2012 @ 3:02 am

  25. How about any pitch that Mariners rookie Anthony Vasquez threw last year?

    Comment by Benjamin — February 17, 2012 @ 9:38 am

  26. “Nelson Figueroa, who threw 199 slide pieces to get 11 whiffs and 16 ground balls (41%) last year.”

    16 of 199 is 41%? Am I just reading this incorrectly?

    Comment by Matt — February 17, 2012 @ 11:59 am

  27. Seriously, bossman? Belt high, down the middle is not hitting his spot. He wasn’t throwing BP to Nix in a home run derby.

    Comment by Greg — February 17, 2012 @ 12:04 pm

  28. Matt, I Believe Whiff % is calculated on number of strikes thrown for a particular pitch type–not total of number pitches.

    Comment by Jthom17 — February 18, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  29. Matt, Figueroa threw 199 sliders, but 39 of them were put in play, hence 16 GBs if 41%.

    Comment by Albert Lyu — February 18, 2012 @ 12:37 pm

  30. You can’t declare a pitch bad just based on the swinging strike rate. I also don’t see how you’re declaring Ryan Vogelsong’s slider as worst, since he didn’t throw a single slider in 2011 according to this site.

    Comment by EnricoPalatzzo — March 19, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

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