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  1. Love this article. Hope to see many more in this vein. Even if you compare cross-organizational prospects.

    Comment by Matty Brown — February 22, 2012 @ 9:23 am

  2. Nice piece, Mark. While I was reading, I was getting the feeling that you would say Taillon would make the better MLB starter because of his repeatable delivery, “feel” for pitching, and the touch and feel that Taillon shows for his third pitch. Your pick of Cole tells me that his fastball must truly be elite and I look forward to seeing him throw it. Any chance we see him as a September call-up?

    Comment by MustBunique — February 22, 2012 @ 9:35 am

  3. Taillon should have some more “filling out” to do into his mid-20s. Possibly a lean 240 is his eventual landing spot. There’s no reason to believe that the increased mass will result in increased velocity, but it should bode well for maintaing velocity throughout the game.

    Comment by Jason — February 22, 2012 @ 10:01 am

  4. Nice article Mark, looking forward to watching this kid throw the fastball against major league hitters.

    Comment by yosoyfiesta — February 22, 2012 @ 10:19 am

  5. I wish that somewhere in the glossary of this site was a breakdown of what a scout would grade known quantities. What does an 80 fastball look like? Verlander? What does a 60 fastball look like? Matt Cain? What does a 70 changeup look like? Etc. This would make potential ratings easier to understand.

    Comment by Eric Cioe — February 22, 2012 @ 10:22 am

  6. I really enjoyed reading this comparison. It was very informative and easy to understand for those not familiar with the scouting “lingo.”

    Comment by Randy — February 22, 2012 @ 10:28 am

  7. Check out Mark’s site. He spent a lot of time on a primer for scouting lingo.

    http://baseballprospectnation.com/scouting-primers/

    Comment by Eddie Bajek — February 22, 2012 @ 10:43 am

  8. Bauer versus Skaggs!

    Comment by K — February 22, 2012 @ 10:47 am

  9. Mark,

    Do you think the Pirates controlled Taillon too much last year with him never throwing more than 75 pitches and only 92.2 innings total? Or do you think it was wise considering it was his first professional season and he was drafted out of HS?

    Comment by Justin — February 22, 2012 @ 11:19 am

  10. Interesting, your conclusion does not seem to match your analysis.

    Comment by johnorpheus — February 22, 2012 @ 11:21 am

  11. “advanced feel for controlling his body in space”

    Shake my head.

    Comment by John — February 22, 2012 @ 11:52 am

  12. Thanks, Matty!

    I’m planning to continue doing these articles for a while, both within organizations and across them.

    Comment by Mark Anderson — February 22, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

  13. If we’re talking better MLB starter, I’ll take Cole every time, as I said. I do think Taillon could have a better feel for the “art” of pitching. I think he’ll have more nuance to his game than Cole.

    I’d give it a slim chance Cole gets a September look. If he starts in Bradenton, that’d be a pretty aggressive push for a guy that does have some refinements to make. There’s no rush with him. He won’t be the difference between making the playoffs or not this year.

    Comment by Mark Anderson — February 22, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  14. That’s in the queue — except it will be Bauer vs. Skaggs vs. Bradley.

    Comment by Mark Anderson — February 22, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

  15. A 75-pitch limit for first-year high school draft picks is not uncommon across baseball, though that limit is typically a little looser in many organizations. There was no give and take with Taillon’s limit — 75 pitches and he was done, game situation be damned.

    There’s no tried and true method for developing a pitching prospect, and given the Pirates past difficulties in this department, I suppose you can’t fault them for an extremely cautious approach.

    Comment by Mark Anderson — February 22, 2012 @ 12:36 pm

  16. Harper v. Rendon…I’m assuming that will be coming?

    Comment by Waka Flocka Flame — February 22, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

  17. thanks for the work.

    Comment by karreemofwheat — February 23, 2012 @ 12:26 am

  18. Harper v. Rendon isn’t in the queue. It wouldn’t be a real close comparison considering we’re talking about a generational talent versus “just” a really nice prospect.

    I do plan to do a Rendon v. Arenado piece at some point, as I believe that could draw some discussion and surprise some people.

    Comment by Mark Anderson — February 23, 2012 @ 7:23 am

  19. Jacob Turner vs. Trever Feeney!

    Comment by Eddie Bajek — February 23, 2012 @ 8:35 am

  20. Really good analysis, Mark. I am a big fan of Cole’s change-up. His arm speed is excellent, and I think he will develop this into a real wipeout, K weapon.

    Comment by Joe Gerard — February 23, 2012 @ 11:17 am

  21. This is something often said, and it never makes any sense.

    Bigger people tend to be stronger, but they do not tend to have more endurance, in fact it’s the reverse. If two guys of the same height use the “effort” or strain to deliver a pitch of the same velocity, it is the thinner player who actually uses fewer calories, as is more likely to be able to sustain that effort for a longer period.

    Now, if you have one guy who can throw 98, but is comfortable throwing 92, compared to a guy who throws 98 as his normal velocity, then the first guy is making extra effort, and it will be difficult to sustain that throughout a game.

    But do not confuse thickness of body with better endurance. Only in baseball is that myth perpetuated, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why.

    Comment by The Real Neal — February 23, 2012 @ 1:38 pm

  22. I wish he (and others) would refrain from using the terms “plus” and “plus/plus”. Just say a number. There’s no point in itroducing more lingo, the 20 to 80 scouting range is already baffling enough.

    Comment by The Real Neal — February 23, 2012 @ 1:42 pm

  23. Hultzen vs. Paxton vs. Walker?

    Comment by Homer — April 1, 2012 @ 10:20 pm

  24. I agree. Reading the article, I was thinking Taillon would project as the better prospect. I also like the fact that Taillon is younger, and they are both in Bradenton now.

    Comment by Shubbs — April 15, 2012 @ 11:26 am

  25. Please do! I am intersted in learning more about Arenado.

    Comment by Shubbs — April 15, 2012 @ 11:27 am

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