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  1. Jeff Bagwell comes to mind. He was listed at 215 but that cant be true.

    Comment by Jason — February 22, 2012 @ 2:25 pm

  2. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that Bonds wasn’t close to 240 in the early-to-mid 90s. I believe 1999 or 2000 was the year of the noticeable morphing into a comic-book figure, and he didn’t really steal much after that.

    Quick Google search comes across an article on ESPN Page 2 citing game of shadows:
    “In 1997, a team media guide listed Bonds at 206 pounds. By spring training of 1999, he weighed 225.”

    Comment by James — February 22, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

  3. Bref has Barry Bonds listed at 185(!).

    Comment by Jon L. — February 22, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

  4. So you like watching fat asses run the bases. You need some mental health treatment. That”s one sick fetish you weirdo. Yeah yeah, hit the dislike button alll you want.

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 2:45 pm

  5. Typo in the paragraph under the Orr picture. “He led the American Association in Triples in1885 and 1885″.

    Comment by Josh — February 22, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  6. I’m just makin fun of you Matt but the following statement does cause some concern.

    “However, subjectively, I would much rather watch Pablo Sandoval, and I would be lying if I said that his “body type” had nothing to do with it.”

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 2:51 pm

  7. …..Those guys are big, not fat, troll.

    Comment by Adam — February 22, 2012 @ 2:55 pm

  8. You should have gone by BMI, I think. Derrick Lee is pretty tall and his physique is that of a basketball player while Sandoval is that of a “heavy set” player.

    Bobby Abreu is pretty good at stealing bases considering his spare tire.

    Comment by well — February 22, 2012 @ 3:09 pm

  9. Well…. He did lead the American Association in triples and triples in the years listed.

    Comment by Jack — February 22, 2012 @ 3:12 pm

  10. You might have wanted to use BMI instead of weight.

    Kirby Puckett is listed at BR at 178, but at 5′ 8″, I don’t think anyone would have called him slim. He had moderate speed, with 20 SB in his third season when he also had 31 home runs.

    Comment by Barkey Walker — February 22, 2012 @ 3:13 pm

  11. I’d never previously bothered to check for famous baseball relations (Bobby Orr of hockey fame is a 5th cousin or so) but given the baseball card looks just like me (minus the tache) I’ll have to check this one.

    Comment by Simon Orr — February 22, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

  12. Kun Fu Panda disagrees

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 3:30 pm

  13. BMI isn’t an especially accurate measure of “big-boned,” either. At 6’5″, 245, Derrek Lee’s BMI is 29.0, solidly in the overweight range. 30.0 is the threshold of obesity.

    Then again, is there a forthcoming piece on all-time SB leaders among players who were technically obese?

    Comment by Mike B — February 22, 2012 @ 3:31 pm

  14. Prince Fielder has two inside the park home runs with a BRef weight of 275. Anybody have more inside the parks at that weight?

    Comment by glassSheets — February 22, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

  15. can you skate? The Bruins are down a couple Right wingers right now and it’s really hurtin them.

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 3:34 pm

  16. the BMI names are messed up–most of the people who win gold medals in strength related sports will be obese despite having almost no fat on them.

    But the concept of weight for height makes more sense that just height. If you look at a 220 lbs 6′ 6″ guy you would probably call them skinny.

    Comment by Barkey Walker — February 22, 2012 @ 3:53 pm

  17. Corner shots of the bumper in CF.

    Comment by channelclemente — February 22, 2012 @ 3:54 pm

  18. I got one in 1986. In 1981-1985 and 1987-1993 I got none.

    I also led the league in Ks in 1986, with 166.

    Comment by Steve Balboni — February 22, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  19. Matty, your “exp;oratoin of” fat dudes may cause Dave Cameron to publicly delcare that, “Its amazing Matt is married”.

    Plus, you should league adjust your standard like WAR does. Tony Gwynn’s 37 SBs won him the 1986 LABBSBL (League Adjusted Big Boned SB Leader), Brought to You By Swanson TV Dinners.

    Comment by Steve Balboni — February 22, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  20. One was in the Metrodome. Lew Ford misplayed/lost the ball IIRC.

    Comment by glassSheets — February 22, 2012 @ 4:40 pm

  21. I was going to say the same thing about Bo Jackson who is listed at 220 and stole 53 ith only 15 CS in ’88 and ’89.

    Comment by MikeS — February 22, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

  22. Dunn ran a fair bit when he was young. At 19 he stole 21 bags in 372. The following year he stole 24, with just 5 CS. He’s not a slow guy (or he wasn’t), he just takes a while to get up to full speed.

    Comment by RMR — February 22, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

  23. Nellie Cruz?

    Comment by John — February 22, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

  24. Excuse me Mr. Balboni but ur inside the park job and 166 K’s were in 1985. Ironically enough this was also the year of your lone career stolen base. Ah now we are talkin poetry in motion (The Great Stache Dash Of 85). We shall have to omit you from this list because B-R lists you at a slim, trim, muscular 6’3, 225 pounds. Oh how generous of Mr. Foreman to protect and distort your legacy.

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 5:18 pm

  25. How many of Galarragas steals were at home in 1986. We know baseballs carry better in the high altitude of Coors Field. Since gravity is different is it safe to say human beings are less grounded their as well. I guess they called him Big Cat for a reason. Cats are fast you know and big Cats like tigers can really fly!

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

  26. Bad theory I checked it, While 32 of 47 dingbats occured in the high altitude of Coors Field, Big Cat was 9 for 13 in base stealing situations both home and away. Just cause you can does not mean you should though as Big Cat’s 69 percent success rate stealing bases was unacceptable in that hitting climate.

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 5:50 pm

  27. Benjie Molina hit for the cycle in his last year, age 35, weight 275-285??
    Now that’s amazing!!

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — February 22, 2012 @ 5:56 pm

  28. BMI is accurate for baseball players. A far lower proportion of baseball players are cut than basketball players and other athletes. When you see double chins on guys and man boobs, they are overweight or obese.

    Comment by well — February 22, 2012 @ 6:01 pm

  29. triples, as well

    Comment by jim — February 22, 2012 @ 7:04 pm

  30. I think that Adam Dunn had been listed around 240 or 250 at that time.

    Comment by jonathan — February 22, 2012 @ 7:12 pm

  31. Canesco’s twitter feed always depresses me whenever I read it

    Comment by GotHeem — February 22, 2012 @ 7:30 pm

  32. What about Travis Snider? He was stealing a LOT last year, that was rather odd.

    Comment by The Congo Hammer — February 22, 2012 @ 7:53 pm

  33. I once saw Dmitri Young steal a base. It was wonderful.

    Comment by gnomez — February 22, 2012 @ 7:55 pm

  34. Bengie is so fat that fans saw his fat jiggle around when running the bases. This was NOT in slow motion but normal speed! :(

    The most disturbing thing about the bunt play was pointed out to me later by a friend who asked if I’d seen Molina’s body shaking during the slow-motion replay of his run to third. I laughed and said that I had; whereupon he pointed out that that replay was not in slow-motion.

    Comment by well — February 22, 2012 @ 7:58 pm

  35. Well, maybe for 1B, DH, pitchers and catchers. But not for middle infield and center field (3B and the corners are marginal in the outfield).

    Comment by Barkey Walker — February 22, 2012 @ 8:27 pm

  36. rumor has it Benjie sat out the 2011 season to give birth.

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 8:41 pm

  37. Johnny Bench was a good sneak thief, 10 for 10 one year, including a double-steal with Tony Perez.

    Comment by Lex Logan — February 22, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

  38. Did the Park shake? Was their any cracks in the concrete or structural damages to the stadium.

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 9:10 pm

  39. Mo Vaugn went 11 for 15 in sb attempts in his MVP year of 1995. He also legged out 3 triples that year. Baseball Reference has him at 225. I think B-R uses the weight of players when they wre drafted or something. He weighed more than that by the time he was any good.

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 22, 2012 @ 9:15 pm

  40. Why would you mention Gwynn’s 36 steals in 86 but not mention his 57 steals in 87?

    Comment by Psst — February 22, 2012 @ 10:19 pm

  41. Not that he is considered a “base stealer” but it’s always awesome to see Brian McCann take off and try to steal second. Just watching that big frame chug slow motion toward second is worth the price of admission.

    Comment by WilJ — February 22, 2012 @ 10:21 pm

  42. Nelson Cruz stole 20 bases in 2009 with a listed weight of 240.

    Comment by Zigs — February 22, 2012 @ 11:31 pm

  43. if eligible, vladimir guerrero would immediately jump to the top of the list weighing in at 235lbs and posting totals of 37 and 40 steals in 2001 and 2002.

    Comment by ethan — February 23, 2012 @ 12:52 am

  44. Dave Parker stole 20 bases in both ’78 and ’79 and is listed at 230. He also had two more seasons of 17+ SB.

    Comment by bstar — February 23, 2012 @ 2:10 am

  45. Pablo has lost a bunch of weight since his rookie year. He is more muscle than fat now.

    Comment by kick me in the GO NATS — February 23, 2012 @ 3:33 am

  46. Today was a slow news day I guess.

    Comment by kick me in the GO NATS — February 23, 2012 @ 3:53 am

  47. This was about as interesting as the question of how many hot dogs you can force feed a dwarf.

    Comment by kick me in the GO NATS — February 23, 2012 @ 3:55 am

  48. What about Tony Gwynn? His page has him listed as 199 lbs, but I find that hard to believe. At least later in his career.

    Comment by dave in GB — February 23, 2012 @ 6:21 am

  49. When Bonds was stealing bases he was a lot closer to 185 than 240.

    Comment by Rally — February 23, 2012 @ 9:59 am

  50. BMI is obsolete for athletes. If you have any semblence of muscle-mass, they consider you “over weight”. Vernon Davis with 4% body-fat is “obese”. lol

    Comment by John — February 23, 2012 @ 10:21 am

  51. Snider is a great athlete. Ballyhooed high school running back.

    Comment by John — February 23, 2012 @ 10:23 am

  52. what about a dwarf scarfing hot dogs isn’t interesting?

    Comment by Woodrum's UZR Article — February 23, 2012 @ 10:25 am

  53. Baseball reference goes by debut weight.

    Comment by John — February 23, 2012 @ 10:26 am

  54. I force fed a dwarf my hot dog last night. It was as K. Millar would say “SNEAKY HOT.” I’m not the same “SIZE” as some of the Fatties above yet nonetheless that dwarf burried my hot dog.

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 23, 2012 @ 11:45 am

  55. Back in either ’90 or ’91 I saw Mo Vaughn and Carlos Quintana execute what may be the slowest, heaviest, and most unlikely successful double steal in MLB history. Those two combined probably tipped the scales well in excess of 500 lbs.

    Comment by Sean O'Neill — February 23, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  56. Way too many typos in this article. Under the Orr photograph, Galarraga misspellings, the entire 4th paragraph, etc.

    Comment by Gary — February 23, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

  57. I actually remember that. It was 1991 I believe. Back in the Ed Romero days.Those were some bleak days, between the 90 and 95 Sox.

    Comment by Shane Heathers — February 23, 2012 @ 7:32 pm

  58. You’re an idiot.

    Comment by BlackOps — February 23, 2012 @ 8:21 pm

  59. Using BMI to describe a person’s physique is like solely using batting average to determine a shortstop’s ability to play baseball. If you can’t use hydrostatic weighing as a technique to get a person’s body fat percentage then use a bioelectric impedance monitor.

    Comment by Nerds of Summer — February 29, 2012 @ 11:20 pm

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