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  1. No Tigers yet makes me think all of these broadcast teams must be terrible. If Rod Allen is on a broadcast team that’s better than yours, you have my pity.

    Comment by ToddM — February 28, 2012 @ 10:06 am

  2. Why is this not one one article per broadcasting team?

    Comment by Currierite — February 28, 2012 @ 10:07 am

  3. Any Tribe fan will say that they prefer the voice of the Indians, Tommy Hamilton on the radio to Underwood and Manning on TV….mute the TV, turn on the radio trick…

    Comment by E — February 28, 2012 @ 10:09 am

  4. I find it hard to believe that the O’s broadcast team finished above 3.0 in all 3 categories.

    Comment by Jeff — February 28, 2012 @ 10:15 am

  5. I would have ranked the Dbacks team higher, they are good. The rest seem to be about right except Buck Martinez who could cause siezures with his irritaiting voice.

    Comment by Hurtlockertwo — February 28, 2012 @ 10:22 am

  6. No Reds yet is further proof of how bad the state of broadcasters is in MLB.

    I’m kind of surprised Arizona is in the bottom third. I actually enjoy that crew. Hopefully Grace’s appearnaces on Fox Saturdays doesn’t bring down his ratings; I think he’s better with Sutton and on FSN. (at least for me who watches about a fourth of their games on Extra Innings).

    Comment by glassSheets — February 28, 2012 @ 10:22 am

  7. Would Toronto mind sending Alan Ashby back to Houston? I need something to fill the soon to be Milo Hamilton sized hole in my baseball life.

    Comment by PDR297 — February 28, 2012 @ 10:23 am

  8. As a Rockies fan I must say I really miss Duane Kuiper.

    Comment by TomCat — February 28, 2012 @ 10:26 am

  9. Seriously? Most Tigers fans love Rod and Mario. Further I remember on several occasions fans of other teams saying they thoroughly enjoyed the commentary Rod and Mario provided. Mario is that slick smooth play by play broadcaster who was made to do voice work and Rod is like having your grandpa do the color, which has a comforting quality to it.

    Comment by Colin — February 28, 2012 @ 10:28 am

  10. I was kinda hoping that you would use one of my comments for the Blue Jays team. Then I found out there were 414 !!!1!!!1!? Votes. I am happy to remain among the anonymous horde.

    Comment by Greg W — February 28, 2012 @ 10:30 am

  11. I’m surprised the Nats team is rated so low. I quite like them actually. Maybe some Nats fans haven’t realized Rob Dibble is gone, which is understandable if they watch Nats games on mute, which due to Rob Dibble, is also understandable.

    Comment by Fletch — February 28, 2012 @ 10:30 am

  12. That would take forever!!

    Comment by Colin — February 28, 2012 @ 10:30 am

  13. Phillies do have a fantastic radio duo in Scott Franzke and Larry Anderson. Hopefully the new FM radio feed will be synchronized to HDTV.

    Comment by Nik — February 28, 2012 @ 10:31 am

  14. Boog Sciambi was the best announcer Atlanta has had in my lifetime.

    Comment by Dan Holland — February 28, 2012 @ 10:32 am

  15. I have no problem with Mario. Rod Allen, however, is a clown. If you prefer your color man be a jester, more power to ya. I’d rather learn something interesting occasionally.

    Comment by ToddM — February 28, 2012 @ 10:37 am

  16. If you have DVR it is pretty easy to sync with a 5-10 second delay (although there are times I have to re-sync during the game). Franzke is very good. LA is a horrible analyst, and really only adds some primary “color” in the form of a rare funny joke. However, I do enjoy trying to guess how early in a game LA bitches about the strike zone. Sometimes it is even before the first pitch.

    Comment by Neuter Your Dogma — February 28, 2012 @ 10:41 am

  17. Rod Allen is there to entertain. I can learn things on my own or by reading this website among others. I want my baseball color people to entertain me.

    Comment by Colin — February 28, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  18. F.P. Santangelo isn’t a loudmouth like Dibble was, but he still is pretty awful IMO. Carpenter leads him around like a little yappy dog. Carpenter is okay as a play by play guy, and I do like his voice…think he’d be better with a stronger or more seasoned partner.

    Also Scambi was great with the Braves, but the days of Pete and Skip splitting the games on TBS/radio (one with Simpson, one with Sutton) were the best. Sidebar, but Sutton is full time on the radio now for the Braves and is really solid

    Comment by Andrew — February 28, 2012 @ 10:42 am

  19. I really thought there was something was wrong with this poll, I mean why wasn’t Anaheim ranked #30? So I looked up the Angels broadcast page and was completely shocked to see that Rex Hudler was gone as of last season. My god, maybe there is such a thing as accountability in broadcasting I thought. No, that can’t be right, I mean they did give him a job for a decade. Well whatever the reason the world is a safer place for baseball fans.

    Comment by CheeseWhiz — February 28, 2012 @ 10:44 am

  20. The mute button is essential for watching Toronto Blue Jays games.

    Comment by Omar Little — February 28, 2012 @ 10:49 am

  21. I would have liked to see that national teams (ESPN, FOX) included in these rankings as well.

    Comment by Dave — February 28, 2012 @ 10:51 am

  22. Eh. Not so much. Bob Carpenter is like a tofu-on-dry-white-toast sandwich. Can’t get much blander.

    Comment by RobBob — February 28, 2012 @ 10:54 am

  23. Blue Jays fans run the internet.

    Comment by Drew — February 28, 2012 @ 10:54 am

  24. I’m pretty certain, based on the replies to this article, that every baseball broadcast team in the entire league is apparently terrible.

    Is this just an impossible job to do well?

    Comment by sc2gg — February 28, 2012 @ 10:55 am

  25. Because bullet point analysis is how it’s done in the big leagues. And meta analysis/commentary has its limits.

    This article is actually hilarious, though. Including the reader comments was a brilliant idea.

    Comment by Matt Defalco — February 28, 2012 @ 10:57 am

  26. I think that’s a perfect take on the Indians’ broadcast team. They’re more bland than bad.

    Comment by nj — February 28, 2012 @ 10:57 am

  27. (…Please don’t let the Mariners’ broadcast be #6, please don’t leave the Mariners’ broadcast be #6…)

    Royal fans get to experience a new level of pain this year. Say hello to Rex Hudler & Steve Physioc, guys. You will get clever nicknames like Gordy and Mousty and Hochy and…Hosm-y, along with brilliant analyses like “I love how hard Esco-y runs! That’s Royals baseball right there!”

    Comment by Christo P. Ney — February 28, 2012 @ 10:58 am

  28. Agreed with Colin. For once-per-week national broadcasts I want a color man to give in-depth analysis. For the 162 game grind, I want an entertaining, humorous person who almost becomes like a predictable buddy.

    Comment by RationalSportsFan — February 28, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  29. Dan McLaughlin may be a decent broadcaster, but in my opinion should not have been brought back this year after receiving his 2nd DUI. The Cardinals treatment of him, along with Spezio, Freese, and LaRussa leaves much to be desired. Particularly considering what happened to Josh Hancock. An example must be set somewhere or people will not understand just how irresponsible driving under the influence is.

    Comment by Kevin — February 28, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  30. LA is a complete homer, but that makes him appealing. Love his shouts when a big play is occuring.

    Comment by Nik — February 28, 2012 @ 11:06 am

  31. ugh i think the royals are bringing on hudler this year. if i remember right, he’s a self-described cheerleader.

    Comment by Ian — February 28, 2012 @ 11:06 am

  32. The Phillies announcers are below average at best, Wheeler is the most annoying man known to mankind, and has a bad toupee to boot.

    Comment by General Tso — February 28, 2012 @ 11:12 am

  33. Franzke is excellent, and I wish he replaced McCarthy.

    Comment by bill — February 28, 2012 @ 11:18 am

  34. How in Hell are the White Sox not on here? Any ranking that does not have them as the worst loses legitimacy.

    Comment by Common Sense — February 28, 2012 @ 11:21 am

  35. I am flabbergasted that the Thom Brennaman lead Reds broadcast did not yet make an appearance. From the nepotism that got him his job to his willful ignorance and serial insincerity, he represents the antithesis of everything I love about the game.

    Comment by Monroe — February 28, 2012 @ 11:23 am

  36. Any chance we can get an n value for each of these, maybe some standard deviations as well?

    Comment by Redsauce — February 28, 2012 @ 11:23 am

  37. I’m shocked that the Royals’ broadcast team is 20th or higher. I don’t get to watch other teams’ broadcasts much, but I don’t see how they can get much worse than Ryan Lefebvre and Frank White crapping all over modern analysis while circlejerking about awful players like Jason Kendall and Chris Getz because of their grit. Frank punctuates every sentence with giggles, which is endearing for maybe two innings before it starts to grate, and Ryan just has to work in completely unnecessary references to his beloved University of Minnesota in every single game. He also often gets sidetracked and will talk about a random stupid idea for innings at a time, only barely remembering to call the game. Nacho chip/cheese hat anyone?

    I can only assume that people gave the Royals’ broadcasters high marks because of one legendary game a couple of years back where the action was called by a drunken Will Ferrell, Rob Riggle, and Paul Rudd. C’mon, Chen!!

    Comment by Soria's Unibrow — February 28, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  38. Honestly, announcers don’t really enter my consciousness when watching baseball. Maybe it’s because I have very low expectations of them, but I generally don’t let their presence effect (or is it affect) my enjoyment of the game.

    Comment by Bill but not Ted — February 28, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  39. Check #31 in another post from Fangraphs.

    Comment by Redsauce — February 28, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  40. The Phillies TV broadcast team is, largely, annoying. Matthews is just terrible, Wheeler is a pompous “know it all” and Tom McCarthy is okay but nothing special. On radio, however, the Phillies are excellent. Scott Franzke is one of the best baseball play-by-play men I have ever heard and, when Larry Anderson joins him, the chemistry they have is magical. It is not a coincidence that, when you see the replays of Roy Halladay’s post-season no hitter, the broadcast they use is not some dopey TV announcer, it is the overdubbed broadcast of Franzke. Likewise, Franzke’s voice was used for the overdub of the great postseason extra base hit of Jimmy Rollins against the Dodgers a few years ago. Franzke is absolutely a worthy successor to Harry Kalas

    Comment by Catch 22 — February 28, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  41. Would it be possible to let us know how many responded for each team? Don’t want to give any team a pass for small sample size…

    Comment by Kyle Elstun — February 28, 2012 @ 11:25 am

  42. Here I’ll do it for you.

    Broadcasters: Joe Buck and Tim McCarver:
    Ratings (Charisma/Analysis/Overall): 1, 1, 1

    Three Reader Comments
    • “Joe Buck is the least charismatic man in the world.”
    • “Tim McCarver thinks the word ‘strike’ is spelled with five letters.”
    • “Joe Buck may have killed my parents.”

    It appears, from the reader comments, that everyone hates Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.

    Comment by bill — February 28, 2012 @ 11:27 am

  43. Also, it’s a little jarring to have all your team’s games narrated by a proud fan of the St. Louis Cardinals. Unless your team is the St. Louis Cardinals.

    Comment by Well-Beered Englishman — February 28, 2012 @ 11:30 am

  44. In Philadelphia, all the great broadcasters, not just the baseball guys, are on the radio, whereas the TV folks are so-so at best. In addition to Franzke, Philadelphia boasts the radio stylings of the legendary Merrill Reese (football voice who is famous for calling the “Miracle of the Meadowlands” also known in New York as “The Fumble”) and Tom McGinnis, the best local bastketball play-by-play guy I have ever heard. The guy can make the Sixers seem exciting, which takes some doing.

    Comment by Catch 22 — February 28, 2012 @ 11:32 am

  45. I don’t disagree, but I’ll take it a step further and suggest that the Cardinals should dedicate Hrabosky and Horton to keeping tabs on McLaughlin, then they can find two new guys to broadcast the games. I don’t especially care who those two guys are as long as neither is Mike Shannon.

    Comment by steex — February 28, 2012 @ 11:33 am

  46. I’ve agreed up until Sutton and Grace.

    Sutton brings a good saber approach, and they do a good job interacting with the fans (twitter) during broadcasts. Grace might be a Ron Santo in the making, but as of now, he keeps the broadcast loose and interesting.

    Speaking of, Dback spring training games are can’t miss on MLB.TV, as last year the feed was constantly late switching over to commercial. Unknowingly broadcasted, Grace was frequently pulling out binoculars and directing cameras to zoom in on girls in the stands last year.

    Comment by JtheExploder — February 28, 2012 @ 11:35 am

  47. I would love to see rankings for the radio teams, because Charlie Slowes and Dave Jageler are excellent for the Nats. The Nats are one of the “mute the TV, turn on the radio” teams.


    Comment by Positively Half St. — February 28, 2012 @ 11:39 am

  48. A good summary of the Phillies’ broadcasters. Wheels is pompous, knowledgable, but sometimes funny, and he has been around the Phillies along time and does have a historical perspective. But he is pompous about all that. Sarge, awful, like another poster said, he does say things like “hitting is important to winning”. Worthless analysis.

    Comment by Pennant — February 28, 2012 @ 11:39 am

  49. Thanks Carson, this series is fun.

    Comment by Dingbat Charlie — February 28, 2012 @ 11:40 am

  50. Rod Allen is great. Most love him other than a few jealous fans that didn’t get a chance to play a few games on the 84 team and Price and Dickerson are great too

    Comment by Nik — February 28, 2012 @ 11:41 am

  51. It’s been a couple years since a doled out for the Extra Innings package, but I am pretty sure a broadcast booth with Chip Caray, Hawk Harrelson, and Mark Grace would do more damage to the game than the Black Sox, the ’94 strike, steroids, combined.

    Comment by buttermaker — February 28, 2012 @ 11:43 am

  52. Well, this IS a post about the 10 worst broadcast teams in the majors.

    Give it some time – Some of them are amazing. I mean it’s almost not fair to say Vin Scully, but, still. Vin Scully.

    Comment by RedClaw42 — February 28, 2012 @ 11:44 am

  53. I have tried watching the games muted with the radio on but the delay kills it. If I could find a way to match the two together it would be amazing. Sometimes I just listen to the game on the radio instead of watching it because of the difference in brodcasting quality.

    Comment by Killmak — February 28, 2012 @ 11:47 am

  54. FACTS: 1. The best way to enjoy sports on the TV is in a bar with two (no more no less) well informed friends while getting progressively more crunk as the game goes on. One of them should get ridiculously excited every time his team scores, the other should be understated and witty.

    2. “Professional” sports announcers almost always suck. Whatever the sport, wherever you are on the globe. Let’s give up the idea that this is a real job which requires broadcasting experience and qualifications.

    SOLUTION: 1. Find two saberminded yet fun buddies for every team, stick them in a sports bar with a tab behind it it and insert a microphone.

    2. Profit

    Comment by Simon Orr — February 28, 2012 @ 11:53 am

  55. Excellent job by Bill there, right on the money as far as I’m concerned.

    Comment by Colin — February 28, 2012 @ 11:53 am

  56. I actually think the O’s team is fairly solid, though it depends on who is in the booth. Thorne/Palmer is a good duo.

    Shocked that the Marlins aren’t on this list of bottom of ten.

    Comment by Paul Zummo — February 28, 2012 @ 11:55 am

  57. HAHA, I cannot tell if this is sarcastic or not? They had their own special article for #31.

    Comment by Colin — February 28, 2012 @ 11:55 am

  58. Surprised the Mariners’ aren’t in the bottom ten. Dave Sims is pretty terrible, though if Niehaus were still here I’d expect an easy top ten.

    Comment by Will — February 28, 2012 @ 11:55 am

  59. I would pay money to see that disaster.

    Comment by Colin — February 28, 2012 @ 11:58 am

  60. you must be very young

    Comment by TK — February 28, 2012 @ 12:01 pm

  61. The Toronto Blue Jays radio broadcast is SO much better than the televised one, it makes you wonder how they are run by the same company.

    Comment by Baron Samedi — February 28, 2012 @ 12:01 pm

  62. Well, the fact that he’s still employed now makes sense to me.

    Comment by ToddM — February 28, 2012 @ 12:04 pm

  63. The Mariners broadcast will not be #6 if Dave Sims is involved. I was stunned not to see the M’s in this batch.

    May I heartily recommend to Royals fans the same trick I’ve had to do for the M’s TV broadcasts from time to time: the SAP button. Listening to your favorite baseball team in Spanish is fun. Kind of a vague World Cup Soccer feeling, minus the volume and the vuvuzelas.

    Comment by Chris from Bothell — February 28, 2012 @ 12:04 pm

  64. Dear god no! And here I thought some sanity was returning to the universe for the 45 minutes I believed he was gone for good. The horror!

    Comment by CheeseWhiz — February 28, 2012 @ 12:06 pm

  65. I’m betting Sims is getting a pass because of the freakin hats. Or Blowers is becoming such a cult figure here (for decent reasons) that M’s fans will tolerate a lot.

    Comment by Chris from Bothell — February 28, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

  66. Article correctly stated that Buck Martinez makes a better colour commentator than a play-by-play man. I long for the days of Dan Shulman doing the play-by-play and Buck the colour.

    The common problem I have with most of the play-by-play men (at least in Toronto) is rather than engage in a conversation about plays they tend to “interview” the colour commentator on his past experiences. It gets tiresome. The other problem of course is they just talk too damn much just to fill air space.

    Comment by laketrout — February 28, 2012 @ 12:09 pm

  67. McCarthy is a nice guy, but it’s not because of harry that we don’t like him. He just so many things he does that drive us mad in Philadelphia.

    His home run calls are atrocious, including anything not hit to dead center field, where he will use the phrase ‘fair or foul’…trying to keep us on edge as to whether or not the ball will stay fair or drift foul.

    He has what many of us refer to as oral diarrhea – he just doesn’t seem to have the ability to remain silent at any point during a broadcast. This includes making comments on absolutely anything that is shown on camera, from fan and kid shots to players doing things in the dugout to flags blowing to whatever.

    There is always the debate over how much ‘homer-ism’ you want out of your hometown broadcast crew. Many of us in Philly refuse to let go of when he called an area in the new ballpark in left field ‘Mike Piazza territory’ because a home run ball hit by Piazza landed there one time. Bios of Tom also note that he was (is?) a Mets fan.

    My personal pet peeve is that he seems to start talking and not realize what he’s saying, so he’ll just keep on talking. He uses phrases like ‘not only….but also…’ Often when he does this, the first part of his point has very little to do with the second part of his point. ‘Not only is this web page full of information for those who visit pertaining to opinions on broadcasters, but also, baseball is fun to watch as well!’ Connected to this is that he’ll often start his point, be ‘interrupted’, and instead of discussing what just happened, he’ll make sure he gets to return to his initial point.

    Polls on our phillysportscentral message board usually indicate very low approval for T-Mac.

    don’t get me started on chris wheeler. he’s a rey-azz.

    Comment by mtcal — February 28, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

  68. Sciambi is very good and worked well with Simpson. As for Chip Caray, it is hard to believe he “has some supporters” outside of his immediate family.

    Comment by Sandlapper Spike — February 28, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  69. The halcyon days were the days of Skip, Pete, and Don.

    Comment by fjrobinson44 — February 28, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  70. Rod Allen won me over with a few seemingly thin-air statements that were backed up by Fangraphs. Only one I remember was when he said Albuquerque had the best slider from an AL reliever, when sure enough, at that time, he had the best wSL/C in that category. I think he might actually know some stuff.

    Comment by byron — February 28, 2012 @ 12:14 pm

  71. every time i drive through ohio during the summer to get to places that aren’t ohio i’m amazed by how good tom hamilton is on the radio.

    Comment by wrinklebump — February 28, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  72. This was my thought as well. The Reds broadcasts are easily my least favorite.

    Comment by Jamie — February 28, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  73. While #1 is the best way to enjoy sports on the TV on a Saturday/Sunday/Holiday, it’s not the best way to enjoy sports on the TV after work. On a random Tuesday night, baseball is meant to be watched in a home office with a nice Padron and a glass of good Scotch.

    Comment by vivalajeter — February 28, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

  74. That blurb about the Phillies announcers doesn’t do justice. They are the worst announcers in the league by far. Chris Wheeler is an idiot, McCarthy isn’t much smarter.

    Comment by JoeS — February 28, 2012 @ 12:22 pm

  75. What?! When was that game? I desperately need to find that feed.

    Comment by Fletch — February 28, 2012 @ 12:25 pm

  76. If you have DVR, pause the game until the radio catches up.

    Comment by E — February 28, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

  77. Shannon is an acquired taste, like a lot of broadcasters. He should never do TV, though. A lot of Cardinal fans LOVE him, myself included.

    Comment by Matt — February 28, 2012 @ 12:30 pm


    Comment by Fredchuckdave — February 28, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

  79. Are you going to do radio teams? A lot of people still listen to games on the radio.

    Comment by Matt — February 28, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

  80. I’m expecting (and hoping) to see Palmer/Thorne in the top 5. Jim Palmer is just fantastic, and Gary Thorne provides the right level of support, getting out of Jim’s way when he’s telling a story.

    That said, when Palmer skips games it suffers a lot. And they aren’t perfect; Thorne gets excited for big plays that benefit the other team, which turns some fans off. Still, I’ve never heard another team’s broadcast and thought, man, I wish we had these guys.

    Comment by Os Fan — February 28, 2012 @ 12:37 pm

  81. These rankings are synching up nicely with my own opinions. This is looking authoritative; may it be referenced all year long.

    Comment by tylerv — February 28, 2012 @ 12:45 pm

  82. worse thing about caray is the “DEEP FLY BALL AND. IT. IS… caughtatthewarningtrack. out number three.”

    Comment by guy — February 28, 2012 @ 12:45 pm

  83. Agree completely

    Comment by Brad — February 28, 2012 @ 12:48 pm

  84. The Braves are too high. MLB.TV has an option to overlay the radio feed on top of the TV action, and I pretty much do that religiously now….not because Jim Powell & Don Sutton are fantastic (they’re good, but not otherworldly), but because Chip Caray makes me want to eat glass.

    Comment by Joe — February 28, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

  85. Both the Padron and Scotch can be found in the Derek Jeter gift basket.

    Comment by glassSheets — February 28, 2012 @ 12:56 pm

  86. As opposed to his grandfather: “he really got a hold of that one, it’s going, it’s going, it’s … caught by Sandburg behind second base.”

    Comment by Monroe — February 28, 2012 @ 1:07 pm

  87. I agree, I tend to like them as a pair.

    Play-by-play guys, to me, are like white noise -most of the time I don’t really notice them and so long as they aren’t actively irritating I’m fine. While he doesn’t bring anything terribly noteworthy or exciting to the table, Sutton seems to be a perfectly acceptable technician of the craft and seems to genuinely be interested in advanced stats.

    I’d imagine Grace was a more polarizing figure in the voting. He kind of strives for an ‘aw-shucks’ knucklehead vibe, which could rub you the wrong way, but it doesn’t come off as disingenuous. Describes everyone as a “big boy”, which is creepy, but if that’s his worst phrase, whatever.

    Comment by Jared — February 28, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

  88. The Royals hired Hudler and Physioc. For whatever reason, they fired Frank White, which was a boneheaded move considering his legendary status among longtime Royals fans.

    Comment by Alan in KC — February 28, 2012 @ 1:23 pm

  89. Actually it is pretty easy to understand why the White Sox aren’t the in the bottom 10. Two words, Steve Stone. The “Stonepony” is so good that it makes the broadcast a wash. He balances out all the bad, stupid, whiny, back-country hillbilly, hick stuff that Ken ‘Hawk’ Harrelson does. If ‘The Hawk’ was out of the broadcast booth and Steve Stone was paired with someone who could just call the plays accurately and pronounce words in a way that it didn’t seem that he was a hick in the city then the White Sox broadcast would be Top 5 in my opinion. Granted, I’m biased but still easily Top 10.

    Comment by Johnnynewguy — February 28, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  90. You’re surprised, but I’m flabbergasted. Sims is bland, but I would have thought Rick Rizzs on his own would’ve clinched the bottom spot. Then there are the “color men” like Buhner and Valle, who make even Blowers look good. I turn off the sound whenever I catch a gme on the tube, but that isn’t an option when I’m in my car; if Tacoma is playing sometimes it’s preferable to listen to AAA just to avoid Rizzs and Valle…..

    Comment by john from ballard — February 28, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

  91. He’s not exactly my cup of tea, but I generally agree with that – I think he’s a poor fit for television. He’s better suited to radio and he has a good complement in Rooney.

    Comment by steex — February 28, 2012 @ 1:32 pm

  92. ….except when he whines. God, he’s awful. I like F.P., on the other hand, and the radio guys are great.

    Comment by 44 — February 28, 2012 @ 1:34 pm

  93. No kidding. Sciambi is great but I couldn’t believe they called his brief time on the Braves’ broadcast the “halcyon days” when just a few years earlier we had Skip and The Professor most nights on TBS. I’m only 28, that wasn’t exactly ancient history.

    Comment by greatfun0 — February 28, 2012 @ 1:34 pm

  94. Amen. The more a person knows about baseball the more likely they are to not like Rod Allen. The Tigers wanted to dumb down for the audience and provide a professional cheerleader I guess. Rod is terrible.

    Comment by Biff — February 28, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  95. Being named Buck doesn’t help. That name is cursed in broadcasting.

    Comment by sc2gg — February 28, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  96. I watched a lot of AZ games last year with Grace and Sutton and thought they mostly did a nice job. Pretty entertaining, and while the analysis might be a little lacking, they’re not complete morons in this respect. The previous sentence is actually high praise for MLB broadcast teams.

    Comment by Johnny Come Lately — February 28, 2012 @ 1:46 pm

  97. Certainly as Royals broadcasters, they’ve learned how to fill bad air time. If there’s one thing the Royals have had over the last decade, it’s time for their broadcasters to expand their story telling and distraction capabilities.

    Comment by Johnny Come Lately — February 28, 2012 @ 1:52 pm

  98. I hate Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.

    Comment by Baltar — February 28, 2012 @ 1:53 pm

  99. I usually vastly prefer radio if I’m not at the game but the Nats radio team is really awful. I remember once the color commentator ribbing the play-by-play guy for running out all the statistics he had lined up from the pre-game for that half-inning before the Nats got the first out. He wouldn’t stop talking about it ether, just kept going on it.

    There was also a game where they were down something like 8-3 vs the Marlins and the color commentator said, in reference to the Nats ad for the series, “This doesn’t feel like a fish fry.”

    Comment by Barkey Walker — February 28, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

  100. I bet Houston is #1. The one time I watched them, one of them accidentally called Wandy, Wandy Wodwiguez and proceeded to do an Elmer Fudd impression when introducing Wickie Weeks and Wandy Wolf. One later asked the other if he preferred vanilla or chocolate ice cream.

    Comment by deadhead — February 28, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

  101. Knowledgeable baseball people don’t look to color commentators to gain more baseball knowledge. They also don’t hold a vendetta and harass them on twitter either.

    Comment by Cecil — February 28, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

  102. As noted above, if we’re breaking this list out into groups of ten, the White Sox broadcast team is by itself in the “bottom 1.” I like Steve Stone, but nobody is capable of balancing out the Hawk. This White Sox fan will be happy to see the eventual day that a ballgame can be watched with the sound on.

    Comment by steex — February 28, 2012 @ 2:49 pm

  103. Thorne/Palmer are one of the better broadcasting crews around on TV. Catch O’s occasionally in the Philly area and would much prefer these 2 over the Phils’ current TV trio of Sarge, TMac, and Wheels.

    Comment by MG — February 28, 2012 @ 2:54 pm

  104. I don’t know if the Tribe’s radio announcers are always like this because I’ve only listened to them once but I felt that they were almost a little too unbiased the time I listened to them. I’m a Tigers fan and I was coming back from visiting family in Ohio and I was listening to the Tribe and Tigers game on the radio and If I didn’t know any better I would have thought that it was the Tigers announcers with how they were acting.

    Other than that I thought they were good but if they were always like that I thought I’d get annoyed if I were a Tribe fan. I mean I don’t want my announcers to be to the extreme of Hawk Harrelson but I do want them to show some biased towards the team.

    Comment by Matt C — February 28, 2012 @ 3:01 pm

  105. If the Rays aren’t in the Top 5, then shame us; all of us.

    Comment by Bradley Woodrum — February 28, 2012 @ 3:20 pm

  106. “How in Hell are the White Sox not on here? Any ranking that does not have them as the worst loses legitimacy”

    I was goign to write almost exactly the same thing, but I see you beat me to it. Stone is OK, and NOBODY can erase Hawk Harrelson’s shrilling for 3 hours.

    Comment by David K — February 28, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

  107. I’m a Dbacks fan, and I agree that their TV crew is fairly entertaining most of the time. They did have to grow on me a bit, and I think part of that was Grace growing into the job as well. I have the MLB package so I watch a fair amount of other teams’ broadcasts, particularly the NL, but definitely the Tigers, White Sox, and Angels belong on this list ahead of the Dbacks (ahead, as in worse). I live in the LA area and have to suffer thru the lousy Angels broadcasting crew. The guys they had a few years ago were pretty good, but the crew they have now is sleep-inducing.

    Comment by David K — February 28, 2012 @ 3:37 pm

  108. Hmm, I give Tigers fans a bit less credit now :-)

    As a Dback fan, I had to listen to Rod Allen for a few years when he was in the booth there, and he was lousy. I’ve heard some of the Tiger broadcasts recently, and he hasn’t improved a bit.

    Comment by David K — February 28, 2012 @ 3:39 pm

  109. As a rangers fan, i love tom grieve, but sometimes a laugh pityingly for the opposing team’s fans when he goes off to talk about food for 30 minutes. He really does.

    Comment by Daniel — February 28, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

  110. DO the two have to be mutually exclusive?

    Comment by David K — February 28, 2012 @ 3:40 pm

  111. Don’t have to be, but I prefer the latter over the former if I can only have one for 162 games. And, frankly, most color men can’t do both.

    Comment by RationalSportsFan — February 28, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

  112. The guys in the booth in Anaheim now are terrible. Yeah, Hudler was a big cheerleader, but at least he was entertaining to listen to. The guys they have now don’t have any redeeming qualities whatsoever.

    Comment by David K — February 28, 2012 @ 3:47 pm

  113. The reason the Mariners haven’t shown up on the list yet is because Dave Sims is awesome.

    Comment by ThundaPC — February 28, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  114. Agreed, I love Staats. He IS the Rays. I wasn’t sure after Magrane left how the broadcasts would be. Glad they dumped Kevin Kennedy after a year and hired Brian Anderson full-time. Staats, Anderson and Kalas are a great trio.

    Comment by JJ Jones — February 28, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  115. Vin Scully is great, but I still think they need a second voice in the TV booth to accompany him. Listening to JUST his voice, even if it is Vin’s, can get a bit monotonous after a while. A little give-and-take with SOMEONE would be better, in my opinion.

    Comment by David K — February 28, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  116. Braves are very appropriately ranked. I always end up changing to the opposing team’s broadcast after an inning or two. And who can forget this gem from Caray.

    Comment by KWalleser — February 28, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

  117. Actually the two words would be “thirty” and “one”

    Comment by buttermaker — February 28, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  118. I do the same, and it makes the games much easier to listen to.


    Comment by cthabeerman — February 28, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

  119. I know more or less everyone is shocked their local announcing crew is not in the bottom 10, but I am shocked that the Oakland A’s TV crew is not in the bottom 10. It is one thing to be old school – Greg Papa was old school, and he was great with the A’s. But Glen Kuiper is so vanilla that he routinely struggles to even accurately describe the play unfolding, and Fosse focuses all his attention on bad calls and rarely adds anything insightful.

    Comment by Nick O — February 28, 2012 @ 5:15 pm

  120. I much prefer Jim Powell and Don Sutton on the radio.

    Comment by scott — February 28, 2012 @ 5:24 pm

  121. The difference between Rod Allen and Hawk Harrelson is that Rod is the color man and has limited input. It also helps that Rod is paired with a competent broadcaster.

    Meanwhile Hawk Harrelson has to be the star and essentially makes the color man pointless. If I wanted to hear a drunken homer fan ramble, I’ll just go down to the local bar.

    Comment by Michael Scarn — February 28, 2012 @ 5:44 pm

  122. Chip was so great that he was dumped for Ernie Johnson

    And I love Ernie and Inside the NBA..but it’s not his cup of tea

    Comment by Michael Scarn — February 28, 2012 @ 5:46 pm

  123. I guess you didn’t see who #31 is


    Comment by Michael Scarn — February 28, 2012 @ 5:49 pm

  124. Michael Kay is clearly doing this for the LULz.

    Comment by Omar — February 28, 2012 @ 6:20 pm

  125. As bad as the Astros are, listening to Jim Deshaise and Bill Brown while watching the game makes the experience almost enjoyable. Seriously, JD might be the funniest man to do baseball commentary, in spite of his difficult to spell last name.

    Comment by Joseph D — February 28, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  126. Also, it’s worth noting that JD knows a thing or two about pitching, so that helps.

    Comment by Joseph D — February 28, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

  127. I wish more teams would try and go for the one-man booth. The broadcaster should be talking to the listener, not to his partner.

    Comment by Robbie — February 28, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

  128. It blows my mind that you think this.

    Palmer is insufferable to me. I actually love Thorne, but there are approximately 1 million other ex-pros I would rather have than Palmer. He won’t stop talking about himself. And only himself.

    Comment by Jeff — February 28, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

  129. Always gets to me why, like umpires, broadcasters seem to hold on to their jobs without fear of some sort of referendum. I don’t think there’s ANYONE who likes Buck/McCarver or Lyons/Collins or any of the awful teams, but more and more teams seem to be going down the road of filling their booths with trash.

    More homers unable to provide viewers with an unbiased perspective on the action.
    More obnoxious color guys.
    More duos more concerned with talking to each other instead of talking to the audience.

    Comment by Robbie — February 28, 2012 @ 6:56 pm

  130. Yes! I’m not a Braves fan, but I will go out of my way to listen to the Braves radio broadcast. Jim Powell is excellent. His blowout broadcasts, when he starts interacting with fans live via Twitter, are inspired.

    Comment by Krog — February 28, 2012 @ 7:19 pm

  131. I didn’t expect the Cardinals’ crew to avoid today’s list whether they deserve to or not. But third from the bottom overall? That’s a stretch. I wouldn’t call any of them especially good, but I don’t find any of them especially bad either–not even Hrabosky.

    Put it this way: they aren’t so bad that I notice them for it. At worst, they’re harmless, especially when McLaughlin rather than Horton is doing the PBP. (Horton is tolerable as a PBP guy, which isn’t bad for an ex-player. But let’s just say that he’s better suited as a color guy.)

    Of course, Cards fans have a tendency to compare all (local) broadcasters to Jack Buck, so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised that a crew that can most generously be described as “harmless” would get so much flak.

    Also, McLaughlin probably lost a few points due to his, ahem, recent off-the-field issues, which are completely irrelevant to his ability as a broadcaster but still cast a negative light on the overall perception of him.

    Sidenote A: If we put McLaughlin, Hrabosky, and Horton that low, I can only imagine where Jay Randolph, who called Sunday day games on the local NBC affiliate for a few years and not-infrequently WAS so bad that I noticed, would’ve landed.

    Sidenote B: I actually really liked Joe Buck when he was calling games locally for the Cardinals. He was a lot more laid back and into the game when he wasn’t working for a national audience–or alongside Tim McCarver. But nowadays Joe seems to have lost his enthusiasm for calling baseball…oh well.

    Comment by flyerdog11 — February 28, 2012 @ 7:25 pm

  132. Hint for Jays games: Once you hear “Jamie…” it’s time to mute.

    Comment by Mark — February 28, 2012 @ 7:41 pm

  133. Sims is awesome, and I just don’t get the hate toward him. I like Blowers too, who seems pretty genuine, if bland, as the color guy.

    The Ms did run an excellent radio broadcast this year as well.

    None of that will replace Dave, however.

    Comment by VivaAyala — February 28, 2012 @ 9:01 pm

  134. As a Yankee fan I never got the Kay hate.
    I get it he has an abnormally large head.
    Cone and Singleton is a hilarious combo. Cone references FanGraphs and Singleton follows it up with a story on Earl Weaver.
    Al Leiter is really great. He is serious, but can have some fun. Pair him with Kay and goofball Paul O’Neil (who basically gets free food sent to him during every game he broadcasts) is full of lulz.

    Comment by JohnnyBGoode — February 28, 2012 @ 9:04 pm

  135. Let’s just say he’s polarizing, then. I’m glad not everyone likes that fool, he annoys the crap out of me.

    Comment by ToddM — February 28, 2012 @ 9:41 pm

  136. As the Brewers TV broadcaster I can recall Daron Sutton being the first person I ever heard introduce “OPS” to a wide audience. He’s annoying most of the time, but when you’ve had enough beers it starts to become funny.

    Comment by Dealer A — February 28, 2012 @ 10:44 pm

  137. 1. as a non-religious man, I’d never viscerally understood blasphemy until I read the comment recommending sticking a second person in the booth with vin scully.

    2. I would prefer if there were a way to disaggregate the booths: I think of the Yankees 3 rating as 5 for Singleton averaged with 1 for Kay

    Comment by DBA455 — February 28, 2012 @ 11:17 pm

  138. Yeah, and I wish Josh Lewin was still do play by play. But you got to love the food moments. My family has actually contemplated sending TAG some baked goods and a short family bio to see if we can’t get some air time.

    Comment by Keystone Heavy — February 28, 2012 @ 11:19 pm

  139. I couldn’t agree more about Chip Caray. He was especially brutal as the lead guy for TBS during the playoffs.

    Comment by jpg — February 28, 2012 @ 11:27 pm

  140. I am shocked- and by shocked I mean appalled- that the White Sox pair are not in the bottom ten.

    Also, hope Tom Grieve and Dave Barnett do well. Even though I wish that Josh Lewin was still doing play by play, for Tom’s sake I hope they rank high.

    Comment by Keystone Heavy — February 28, 2012 @ 11:28 pm

  141. Giants fans are pretty happy with Kruk and Kuip, with Jon Miller and Dave Fleming.

    Comment by Hecubot — February 29, 2012 @ 1:40 am

  142. Agreed, no way Rojas and Gubi should be in the top 29

    Comment by Anthony — February 29, 2012 @ 1:45 am

  143. Carpenter is the worst. Whiny,boring, pompous, and no knowledge of the game. Quadruple threat.

    Comment by Dave g — February 29, 2012 @ 1:45 am

  144. “That’s a knock!!”

    Comment by Anthony — February 29, 2012 @ 1:46 am

  145. I do the same thing and it really is entertaining. Aside from whining about the umps, LA has given insightful analysis maybe twice in the years I’ve been listening to them. Franzke, on the other hand, is wonderful and I can’t wait to start listening to him again today.

    Then again, anything beats Tom “How ’bout that!” McCarthy and Sarge…

    Comment by Oliver — February 29, 2012 @ 4:35 am

  146. Most annoying is Chip’s habit of raising his voice every time an Atlanta Brave hits a ball hard, even if it goes right to a defender.

    Comment by bstar — February 29, 2012 @ 6:42 am

  147. I think the YES guys do a great job. Yeah, Kay and Flaherty can be annoying but Kenny Singleton is by far my favourite baseball commentator and it’s always fun when Leiter, Cone or O’Neill are in the booth. Another plus: Lou Piniella will join the YES crew this year.

    Comment by Bavarian Yankee — February 29, 2012 @ 7:11 am

  148. I agree with this. When I saw the Cards guys were 29th, I thought “at the very least they are ok background conversation,” but there really is nothing about them that sticks out and makes me want to turn off the broadcast. Now, if I were listneing to Mike Shannon on the radio side of things…well then I’d think I was listening to a White Sox game because he is almost every bit as bad as “Hawk” Harrelson.

    Too many times I’ve heard “Get up baby!” I wonder if he’s partial to the Cardinals?

    Comment by bjs2025 — February 29, 2012 @ 9:37 am

  149. Rick Sutcliffe adds cutting edge opinion to every ESPN broadcast.

    Comment by bjs2025 — February 29, 2012 @ 9:40 am

  150. I don’t see being a big-time homer as necessarily a bad thing — on the radio. It takes one back to the glory days of radio sportscasting 50 years ago (and more), when everybody was a homer. However, homerism doesn’t play well on TV. Fortunately Shannon is generally heard rather than seen.

    Incidentally, “homerism doesn’t play well on TV” is a reason why I think there’s an important omission from this bottom-10 list: Cincinnati.

    Comment by Bad Bill — February 29, 2012 @ 9:57 am

  151. “Most annoying is Chip’s habit of raising his voice every time an Atlanta Brave hits a ball hard, even if it goes right to a defender.”

    In Chip’s defense, a hard hit ball was a rarity for the Braves last year.

    Comment by Neuter Your Dogma — February 29, 2012 @ 11:02 am

  152. I don’t think Drew Goodman is that bad for the Rockies. It’s who they pair him with that stinks and subsequently brings Drew down.
    Fortunately, the 850KOA guys are classic Rockies

    Comment by Adam — February 29, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  153. Sarge is inoffensive, and gifted us this:

    He can stay.

    Comment by bflaff — February 29, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

  154. Make that a 3 for Singleton, a 1 for Kay, and a bonus point to the average for not letting John Sterling or Suzyn Waldman anywhere near a broadcast.

    Comment by R. Johnston — February 29, 2012 @ 1:52 pm

  155. Oh indeed

    Comment by colour — February 29, 2012 @ 5:10 pm

  156. I didn’t like Jim Powell at first, but mostly, it was disappointment in that he was neither Skip Caray nor Pete Van Wieren. I’ve come to really like him, and he works well with Don. Those two just provide a better baseball experience than Chip, who seems like he wants to be an entertainer, or something.

    Comment by Bronnt — February 29, 2012 @ 6:03 pm

  157. Chip Caray is working alongside a very competent color man-competent enough that if Jon Sciambi was partnered with Joe Simpson, they’d be a top ten broadcast team. He’s somehow managed to drag that down to the bottom of the heap. He’s got some serious negative WAR value as a broadcaster.

    Comment by Bronnt — February 29, 2012 @ 6:05 pm

  158. And by “cutting edge,” you mean, “If I was forced to listen to this, I’d find an edge to cut my wrists,” naturally.

    Comment by Bronnt — February 29, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  159. I was a little surprised the Yankees were this low. I generally find them to be a pretty professional group without saying anything stupid.

    I was MUCH more surprised that the Chicago White Sox crew was not dead last. Listening to them broadcast games makes me want to punch holes in the walls of my house. Their gimmicky style of feigning enthusiasm even in greatly lopsided games must excite sox fans quite a bit to get them out of the basement of this list. I’d honestly rather listen to football broadcasters without the game even on than listen to watch one inning with the sound on of those knuckleheads’ commentary.

    Comment by nateg26 — February 29, 2012 @ 8:43 pm

  160. I really liked the Astros guys. They were talking about some funny stuff.

    Comment by deadhead — February 29, 2012 @ 8:53 pm

  161. I’ve noticed that they seem to get excited over most semi-exciting plays regardless as to who is making them. Most other team’s announcers would be more ho-hum or sound slightly bitter seeing a web gem from the opposing team robbing theirs of a run, or a massive blast off of their ace, but not the Indians.

    They have enthusiasm for the game, but not the team. Makes me sad.

    On another note; I’ve noticed that the radio broadcasts were always about two seconds ahead of the TV action, while I can understand why there would be more of a delay for a live TV broadcast, hearing the announcers getting stoked for a HR before I even see the batter make contact kind of kills it for me.

    Comment by Chris — March 1, 2012 @ 12:14 am

  162. Here’s a comment for Collins and Lyons (who I’m surprised ranked higher than 31):

    Collins has a horrible habit of referring to every baseball term by a nickname. Home plate is a “dish,” the baseball is “the rock,” the pitcher’s mound is “the slab.” Also, he shouts when any action occurs. So play by play sounds like this: “AND KEMP HURLS THE ROCK TO THE DISH. OUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTT!”

    Comment by LAprGuy — March 1, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

  163. @E,

    Maybe it’s different in other markets, but here in Boston, the radio is always the quickest broadcast, so pausing DVR is a no-go.

    Comment by Jonathan — March 1, 2012 @ 2:03 pm

  164. As a non-Yankee fan, I find Michael Kay only marginally less annoying than Hawk Harrelson.

    Comment by Jonathan — March 1, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  165. I’m especially a fan of Powell not being afraid of saber stats, and how he gives AVG/OBP/SLG for each player the first time through the lineup instead of AVG/HR/RBI

    Comment by Paul — March 1, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  166. That’s funny. I can’t stand Shannon, but I think he’s much better on TV than radio. Maybe it is because the TV crews are so bad, or maybe because he only does color on TV.

    Comment by Michael — March 2, 2012 @ 2:00 pm

  167. I’m surprised the Cubs WGN broadcasters aren’t on here! Len Kasper’s voice is like scratching fingernails across a chalkboard! Bob Brenly is alright, sort of boring, much like Al Hrbosky.

    Comment by Billy Kee — April 20, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

  168. When it comes to Michael Kay and John Sterling, I’d rather listen to Sterling Hitchcock and Kay Parker.

    Comment by MattM — May 15, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

  169. In 2012, the Blue Jays do seem to be doing a tremendous job of making use of the Bloomberg info in the form of interesting and helpful on screen graphics like Pitch Selection, Hit Spray Chart, incorporating the triple slash line stats for players, and the occasional OPS graphic to outline how players are doing. This really caught my eye the last couple days when watching Yanks vs Jays. Orioles use some of the Bloomberg info too, but their graphic package isn’t as slick. Pop up graphics from their lower third scoreboard graphic is hard to read.

    Comment by Rich Johnson — May 18, 2012 @ 8:45 pm

  170. I knew this list was shit when Al and Dan were not ranked #30

    Comment by Sam — August 23, 2012 @ 2:32 pm

  171. Phillies fan here. The marketing approach for Phils broadcasting has clearly gone for the “family-friendly” experience which is an incongruous choice for a city like Philadelphia. This explains the choice of Tom McCarthy as a polished but emasculated play-by-play. What makes Tom below par is that he never rises above the idiocy of both Wheeler and Matthews, embracing it instead. Wheels thinks he knows the game, barely but we can let that slide. Wheels also thinks the Phillies viewership knows nothing about the game. He drones on for minutes at a time on the most fundamental/insignificant observations and completely misses actual opportunities to teach us something about baseball. And I’m sorry but Gary Matthews is the opposite of a “strong” personality. He is a vanilla and cautious commenter who is incapable of offering even the slightest bit of actual analysis. He is Sargent Obvious and its a wonder how he has stayed on this long. LA and Franzke are way better on the radio.

    Comment by Nate Spurs — July 17, 2013 @ 3:23 pm

  172. You only think Rod Allen is bad because you never heard Dave Sims (Mariners broadcaster). The guy is the definition of an idiot.

    Comment by Bread n Mustard — August 8, 2013 @ 3:39 am

  173. McLaughlin is a decent PBP guy, and Hrabosky is usually harmless, but Horton… oh God.

    Comment by gnomez — September 5, 2013 @ 7:54 pm

  174. Rod Allen is soooooo frkn annoying. he sucks.. unless you’re a hoodlum his self consicious attitude and demeanor is meant for a circus. I want baseball facts and nothing else i cant see on the TV. where the hell did they get him from?!? he sucks ! mario is 1/2 ok only because he has to be nice sitting next to Mr Japan League and 1984 world champion. what a joke!! THANK GOD FOR THE MUTE BUTTON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by TDean — October 2, 2013 @ 12:10 pm

  175. Chip Caray: is the one announcer I will not listen to. He literally makes me angry with his attitude.
    Dude, you are an announcer, not your dad.

    Comment by JMo37 — December 4, 2013 @ 1:50 pm

  176. I love listening to Sutcliffe. He is so positive. He says things like, “If this comes up here and plays a good shortstop, catches every single ball hit to him, makes the proper throw, he is going to be a gold glover.”
    He really makes me smile listening to him.

    Comment by JMo37 — December 4, 2013 @ 2:05 pm

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